OT: G/F and I bickering about what's really in a Philly Cheese steak

[Hurst2112]

Ok, I got invited to lunch on Sunday by a friend (client). He wanted to meet at this place that has 'the best philly cheese steaks in the metro' as he put it.

I told this to my girlfriend. I said that it better have cheese whiz on it cause nobody around Minneapolis makes them right. She looked at me like I was on crack. She said she has never had a cheese steak sandwhich with cheese whiz, or processed cheese. I told her that she has never had a real cheese steak sandwhich then. She thinks I don't know what I am talking about.

So, anybody else know the official cheese for a philly cheese steak? Up here, they all come with provolone or some other white cheese. Not what I thought was authentic. I watched the food network and saw places in Phil. make them with cheese whiz. There was a place back in Wisconsin that made them similar.

anyone?

[cuervo72]

I don't think I would have a problem with either, but then I grew up outside the city limits, so maybe I should be disqualified.

What I *do* have a problem with is what they do in Maryland - and that is put lettuce and tomato on them. That's just not right.

[KWhit]

A Cheesesteak with Cheese Wiz?? That sounds disgusting.

[Karlifornia]

Cheez Whiz is absolutely revolting. In fact, I'd say it's monocle-droppingly revolting.

[cuervo72]

To clarify though, I would think that the cheese steak would predate cheez whiz (maybe not velveeta though), so I would lean towards provolone.

[Comey]

Cheez Whiz is on the original. Of course, there are variations.

Whiz and sauce is the original, though.

[KWhit]

Provolone, cheddar, whatever. Put brie on it if you want, but not Cheez Wiz.

[Comey]

Dola,

I consider myself a cheesesteak expert, in that I have them a lot. What makes the cheesesteak isn't the cheese, but the roll. I believe it's the D'Ambrosio company that makes the rolls you get in Philly.

We have the benefit of getting those rolls fresh in Harrisburg cheesteak shops daily. It's really the best roll I've ever had...no idea what's done differently.

-John

[Comey]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Provolone, cheddar, whatever. Put brie on it if you want, but not Cheez Wiz.

I didn't think I'd like it, until I tried it. It's great, actually (especially since it's hot whiz...they don't keep it in a bucket and dish it out cold or at room temp.)

[gottimd]

I have the recipe to Pats Cheesesteak somewhere around the apartment. Best Cheesesteaks in Philly.

[Comey]

I totally disagree there (provolone or swiss). But, such is life.

[VPI97]

Originally Posted by KWhit

A Cheesesteak with Cheese Wiz?? That sounds disgusting.

Agreed.

Provolone or swiss is the correct answer.

[Comey]

I used to have white american, mayo and hot peppers on mine religiously. Now I go with either whiz or american, hot and sweet peppers, and mayo.

[Comey]

Originally Posted by Fritz

From my days running a sub shop named Phillys...

Many people would come in and tell whats in a philly, and much of the time it would be something altogether new. One day, guy came in and told us it wasnt about the meat, or the cheese, or fixin's, or how it was cooked. it is all about the bread. As I am told, there is a bakery in Pilly that sells to many of the "philly" style sub shops, and it is their bread that gives all of the different sandwiches their regional style.

See above for one of my posts.

[Fritz]

From my days running a sub shop named Phillys...

Many people would come in and tell whats in a philly, and much of the time it would be something altogether new. One day, a guy came in and told us it wasn't about the meat, or the cheese, or fixin's, or how it was cooked. it is all about the bread. As I am told, there is a bakery in Pilly that sells to many of the "philly" style sub shops, and it is their bread that gives all of the different sandwiches their regional style.

fwiw, I prefered my philly with white american cheese.

[Pyser]

cheese wiz is very common in philly. but i think the "default" cheese is provolone.

regardless, as long as there is marinara sauce involved, and no mayo, lettuce, tomato, or anything like that, youre fine. oh, and peppers an onions are recommended, but not required.

and the meat has to be diced up! thats key. real cheese steaks dont just have long strips of thin meat. its got to be chopped to hell on the grill, while melting the cheese.

[henry296]

I've been to many of the cheesesteak places in Philly's. While the whiz is a popular option, you'll never get a bad reaction asking for another cheese. Provolone and American also being popular choices. I prefer mine with Provolone and Fried Onions.

Todd

[KevinNU7]

Alot of clueless people on here. Here's a little help for everyone, Cheese-Steak is different from Steak & Cheese.

[cuervo72]

I've never heard of swiss.

And yeah, good with onions and mushrooms. I guess they're technically fried, though I usually think of fried as having breading...

(grilled?)

[Karlifornia]

Originally Posted by Comey

I didn't think I'd like it, until I tried it. It's great, actually (especially since it's hot whiz...they don't keep it in a bucket and dish it out cold or at room temp.)

Yeah I really hate the taste of whiz unless it's hot whiz. You know-fresh, hot whiz.

[Desnudo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak

It does list Cheez Whiz as one of the four possible cheeses. Of course it also says that in parts of New England, they call it a "steak bomb."

[cuervo72]

Hey, they mention Amoroso's...their rolls are fantastic (I miss them here in Maryland).

[WSUCougar]

Ah, a subject near and dear to my heart.

My wife is from Philadelphia, and I lived there for 6+ years myself. I ate a lot of cheesesteaks in Philly, and I've tried a lot of them since. Those are my credentials, for what it's worth.

Here's my take:

1. Many of the die-hards in Philly claim Cheese Wiz is indeed the "original" cheese for a cheesesteak. This is mainly due to Pat's Steaks which claims them as their own and usually gets all the publicity (like for football games, John Madden, etc.).

2. For the most part, I concur with those who have said it's all about the roll. Most non-Philadelphian cheesesteak iterations screw that part up, and thus don't capture the right taste at all. However...

3. It is easy to blaspheme. The most common bastardizations include green peppers, mushrooms, and some kind of sauce as standard equipment. Those are options in Philly. A straight cheesesteak is meat, cheese, and the roll. Onions are close to being a given, too, with the option of grilled or fresh.

4. The worst attempt I ever saw was in Ohio, where they had a chain of sub shops that advertised "hot buttered cheesesteaks." We were visiting some friends and finally ordered one just to try it, and it amounted to a shoddy roll, buttered, with a minute steak on it. Yummy.

5. Best cheesesteaks I ever tasted were off the food trucks at Temple University in North Philly. Lordy, were they good.

6. If you're ever in Philly, don't order "a Philadelphia steak sandwich." They will laugh at you, then throw batteries at your head. It's a "cheesesteak." A "cheesesteak with" means with onions. Ketchup is okay, mayonaise is marginal, but don't order mustard or they'll kill you.

My two cents, anyway.

[Comey]

Ah, THAT's the name! I could never get it right.

[Hurst2112]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Ah, a subject near and dear to my heart.

My wife is from Philadelphia, and I lived there for 6+ years myself. I ate a lot of cheesesteaks in Philly, and I've tried a lot of them since. Those are my credentials, for what it's worth.

Here's my take:

1. Many of the die-hards in Philly claim Cheese Wiz is indeed the "original" cheese for a cheesesteak. This is mainly due to Pat's Steaks which claims them as their own and usually gets all the publicity (like for football games, John Madden, etc.).

2. For the most part, I concur with those who have said it's all about the roll. Most non-Philadelphian cheesesteak iterations screw that part up, and thus don't capture the right taste at all. However...

3. It is easy to blaspheme. The most common bastardizations include green peppers, mushrooms, and some kind of sauce as standard equipment. Those are options in Philly. A straight cheesesteak is meat, cheese, and the roll. Onions are close to being a given, too, with the option of grilled or fresh.

4. The worst attempt I ever saw was in Ohio, where they had a chain of sub shops that advertised "hot buttered cheesesteaks." We were visiting some friends and finally ordered one just to try it, and it amounted to a shoddy roll, buttered, with a minute steak on it. Yummy.

5. Best cheesesteaks I ever tasted were off the food trucks at Temple University in North Philly. Lordy, were they good.

6. If you're ever in Philly, don't order "a Philadelphia steak sandwich." They will laugh at you, then throw batteries at your head. It's a "cheesesteak." A "cheesesteak with" means with onions. Ketchup is okay, mayonaise is marginal, but don't order mustard or they'll kill you.

My two cents, anyway.

Printing this out for the 'ol lady to read. Thanks.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

6. If you're ever in Philly, don't order "a Philadelphia steak sandwich." They will laugh at you, then throw batteries at your head. It's a "cheesesteak." A "cheesesteak with" means with onions. Ketchup is okay, mayonaise is marginal, but don't order mustard or they'll kill you.

I *constantly* took shit from my dad for often putting on all three when my mom would make them at home with steak-ums...thought I was nuts.

[Desnudo]

I just finished reading the article. I found this note pretty funny:

"During a campaign stop in Philadelphia on August 11, 2003, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry requested a cheesesteak with Swiss cheese at Pat's Steaks (Cheesesteak bites Kerry (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/local/6528601.htm)). In political terms, this nontraditional choice was a serious miscalculation, as it could help reinforce images of Kerry as effete, aloof, and out of touch with the average American. The owner of Pat's Steaks convinced Kerry to change his order, but the incident nevertheless earned Kerry some ridicule in the press."

Not quit Dukakis in a tank, but nonetheless.

[cuervo72]

Oh, I think I will have to stop at the pizza place around the corner tonight...

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

I've never heard of swiss.

And yeah, good with onions and mushrooms. I guess they're technically fried, though I usually think of fried as having breading...

(grilled?)

I think 'grilled' and 'fried' get intermixed often. I tend to think of 'grilled' using an open flame, while 'fried' is either battered or made in a frying pan. The only exception to that is the local 'brat fry' which includes only grilling and no frying.

Actually...forget I said anything. I'm not sure a guy from Wisconsin is allowed to comment on cooking topics.

[condors]

i work by those lunch trucks by Temple and the best one closed up shop because he got robbed so he retired his son reopened but its not the same.

It don't really matter the cheese type but it must be melted on the grill and poured into the sandwhich and the roll should be placed on the grill prior to being filled so its a little toasted on top. good stuff

i like mine with peporoni onions and sauce

[sabotai]

I've come to a decision that effects none of you.

I am NEVER leaving this area....EVER. I had a chessesteak once in some place in Florida quite awhile ago. I don't even remember the name of the place. It was....shameful. I thought it was probably just an isolated incident. I guess not. If you people in the other parts of the country can't get a fuckin cheesesteak right....well that's just not living to me.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I've come to a decision that effects none of you.

I am NEVER leaving this area....EVER. I had a chessesteak once in some place in Florida quite awhile ago. I don't even remember the name of the place. It was....shameful. I thought it was probably just an isolated incident. I guess not. If you people in the other parts of the country can't get a fuckin cheesesteak right....well that's just not living to me.

Oddly enough, the best cheesesteak I ever had was in Iceland.

[Raiders Army]

My credentials are I lived in Pennsylvania and I've watched the Eagles and Phillies on TV:

I'd go with probably toe. It might be butt cheese, but I think it's probably toecheese.

[Hurst2112]

Actually...forget I said anything. I'm not sure a guy from Wisconsin is allowed to comment on cooking topics.

That is somewhat funny. I hate to be THAT guy....er...

[astrosfan64]

Originally Posted by Comey

Cheez Whiz is on the original. Of course, there are variations.

Whiz and sauce is the original, though.

Pats and Ginos both use Cheese whiz I believe. The pizza steak is popular also.

[weinstein7]

A slight tangent: any of you NYers ever get a cheesesteak from BB's down on W 3rd? Not at all a philly, but a very interesting (and tasty, IMHO) sandwich nonetheless.

(and just to add to what others have already said, a true "philly" is made with cheese wiz, although I'm a provolone man myself.)

[ISiddiqui]

It's all about the Cheez-Whiz for an authentic Philly cheesesteak. For your other Steak-and-Cheese, use whatever you want.

[Masked]

Originally Posted by weinstein7

A slight tangent: any of you NYers ever get a cheesesteak from BB's down on W 3rd? Not at all a philly, but a very interesting (and tasty, IMHO) sandwich nonetheless.

(and just to add to what others have already said, a true "philly" is made with cheese wiz, although I'm a provolone man myself.)

The cheesesteak from BB's was good, but way too small.

[Airhog]

Originally Posted by RadioFriendlyUnitShifter

Yeah I really hate the taste of jiz unless it's hot jiz. You know-fresh, hot jiz.

Fixed it for ya!

[weinstein7]

Originally Posted by Masked

The cheesesteak from BB's was good, but way too small.

That's true, you need 1.5 cheesesteaks to make an adequate lunch. Gotta go in pairs.

I just applaud any dining establishment that has only one item on the menu. You know they're not messing around.

[Coffee Warlord]

Remind me never to eat a cheesesteak in Philly. They'd prolly lynch me if they saw how I make/prefer philly steaks.

Meat, swiss/provolone, red & green peppers, mushrooms, onions, A-1. Yummy.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by sabotai

I've come to a decision that effects none of you.

I am NEVER leaving this area....EVER. I had a chessesteak once in some place in Florida quite awhile ago. I don't even remember the name of the place. It was....shameful. I thought it was probably just an isolated incident. I guess not. If you people in the other parts of the country can't get a fuckin cheesesteak right....well that's just not living to me.

Besides friends and family, I think I miss real cheesesteaks the most. There is a place here in New Orleans that claims to have "Philly Cheesesteaks" but it isn't even close to authentic.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Remind me never to eat a cheesesteak in Philly. They'd prolly lynch me if they saw how I make/prefer philly steaks.

Meat, swiss/provolone, red & green peppers, mushrooms, onions, A-1. Yummy.

......shameful.

For now on, I drink instant coffee just out of spite for you.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Besides friends and family, I think I miss real cheesesteaks the most. Their is a place here in New Orleans that claims to have "Philly Cheesesteaks" but it isn't even close to authentic.

Wow. A life without a real cheesesteak. Don't even tell me how they screw up the pizza steaks, I don't want to know.....do they even have pizza steaks down there?

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Wow. A life without a real cheesesteak. Don't even tell me how they screw up the pizza steaks, I don't want to know.....do they even have pizza steaks down there?

One place does, but like you said, it is screwed up. I need to take another trip up to see my family soon (and get a good cheesesteak.)

[weinstein7]

What's a pizza steak? I don't think those made it over to jersey, or at least not by that name.

And while we're on the subject of local cuisines, I'd like to give a shout-out to the garbage plate. Jim, you lived in Rochester, you know what I'm talking about.

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by sabotai

......shameful.

For now on, I drink instant coffee just out of spite for you.

As you wish. My Inquisitors will be visiting you shortly to take your confession.

[General Mike]

you know, in all this time that I've lived in New Jersey, I've never gone to Philly and gotten a cheesesteak.

Cheese Wiz is damn good tho.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by weinstein7

What's a pizza steak? I don't think those made it over to jersey, or at least not by that name.

Sure they have. I get them everywhere by me, they have them down by the college I went to (Stockton, near Atlantic City) and I've gotten them up by Rutgers.

[Z²+]

If it doesn't have french fries and cole slaw on it, it's not a real sandwich.