Raiders trade Buchanon to Houston

Comey · 04-20-2005, 02:49 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2041266

Very interesting developments. Think Oakland got all they could? Washington was rumored to be offering the #9 overall pick...is a 2nd and 3rd better than that?

bigdawg2003 · 04-20-2005, 02:52 PM

I like the move by on Houston's part. They had an extra 3rd rounder from the Henson trade, and Buchanon and Robinson will be a very good CB tandem for many years after Glenn leaves. For this season it'll allow them to matchup well against the Colts and all of their WRs. Hopefully they'll be able to get Barron or Brown with the #13 pick, or better yet find someone that wants to trade up a few spots and get them later, since neither seems to be an elite prospect

Raiders Army · 04-20-2005, 02:53 PM

With the way their salary cap is, I think so. Also, "Showtime" got burned too many times in man coverage last year. Yes, he did score a touchdown every year, but he also got burned a lot. Now, if they can get rid of Charles Woodson...

Joe · 04-20-2005, 02:55 PM

oakland is dumb if they passed on the #9

Franklinnoble · 04-20-2005, 02:56 PM

I'm glad the Redskins didn't trade for him. Buchanon is a dick, and he's overrated.

yabanci · 04-20-2005, 03:03 PM

The Raiders didn't pass on the #9. They were trying to get it from Washington for Buchanon and the #38 but couldn't convince the Redskins to be more foolish than they already are. Apparently even Joe Gibbs' stupidity has limits.

sovereignstar · 04-20-2005, 03:29 PM

This move almost deserves a thread of it's own. Well maybe if it was created within 15 hours of the trade.

Comey · 04-20-2005, 05:13 PM

What?

sovereignstar · 04-20-2005, 05:17 PM

The deal was made last night and some guys were already talking about it in another thread.

Comey · 04-20-2005, 05:22 PM

Ah, okay. Thanks for pointing that out civilly. Some people would be sarcastic and mean-spirited.

Danny · 04-20-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

oakland is dumb if they passed on the #9

As I posted in the other thread, Excellent deal for the Raiders. Buchanon was a bust as a 1st rounder. It's not surprising his nickname in Raider cirlcles is PBurnt. He does have talent at cornerback and is a good punt returner, but he's been a terrible starting CB since his rookie season.

And don't be crazy. Washington was not offering the #9 pick for PBurnt. Forget any rumor regarding this as it would be absolute bullcrap. The only rumor for that pick that might make sense is Charles Woodson since he is 10 times better than Buchanon.

Honolulu_Blue · 04-20-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

And don't be crazy. Washington was not offering the #9 pick for PBurnt. Forget any rumor regarding this as it would be absolute bullcrap. The only rumor for that pick that might make sense is Charles Woodson since he is 10 times better than Buchanon.

Remember, this is the Redskins we're talking about. The. Washington. Redskins. They are capable of anything...

sovereignstar · 04-20-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Comey

Ah, okay. Thanks for pointing that out civilly. Some people would be sarcastic and mean-spirited.

Never.

Danny · 04-20-2005, 07:16 PM

Doug Jolley traded for the Jets 1st (26), and a 7th. We gave up a #2 that we got from Texans, and both our 6th round picks. We still have two comp picks in round 6.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...1/RAIDERS21.TMP

Another very nice deal. With the emmergence of Courtney Anderson, Jolley would have not played much anyway.

yabanci · 04-20-2005, 07:40 PM

Another good deal. Teyo Johnson and Courtney Anderson can handle the TE duties, and most of the balls are going to be thrown to Moss, Porter, Curry, and Gabriel anyway.

The Raiders give up Jolley, a 2nd, and two 6ths for the #26 pick.

The Redskins give up a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th for the #25.

Glad I'm not a Redskins fan.

jbmagic · 04-20-2005, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

Doug Jolley traded for the Jets 1st (26), and a 7th. We gave up a #2 that we got from Texans, and both our 6th round picks. We still have two comp picks in round 6.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...1/RAIDERS21.TMP

Another very nice deal. With the emmergence of Courtney Anderson, Jolley would have not played much anyway.

wow nice move.

link is broken

yabanci · 04-20-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

wow nice move.

link is broken

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Raiders deal tight end Jolley to Jets
Trade puts Oakland back in the first round

Nancy Gay, Chronicle Staff writer

Thursday, April 21, 2005

The Raiders moved back into the first round of Saturday's NFL Draft, agreeing to a trade deal with the Jets on Wednesday that will send fourth-year tight end Doug Jolley to New York, along with three 2005 picks, for the No. 26 overall pick and a seventh-round selection.

Once Jolley passes a physical and the trade becomes final, the Raiders will have a first-round pick, a second-round pick (No. 38 overall), two third-round selections (Nos. 69 and 78) and two sixth-round picks (Nos. 212 and 214).

In return, two NFL sources said the Jets will receive the second-round pick the Raiders acquired on Tuesday from Houston in the Phillip Buchanon deal (No. 47 overall), the 182nd and 185th picks overall (both in the sixth-round) as well as Jolley, 26, a former second-round pick out of Brigham Young in the 2002 draft.

The deal satisfies the Raiders' desire to jump back into the first round after surrendering the No. 7 overall pick to the Minnesota Vikings as part of the Randy Moss deal. It also gives them value for a player who had fallen off the map in Norv Turner’s deep ball offense.

Though Jolley impressed coaches as a rookie with his pass-catching skills, playing in all 16 games with four starts and finishing with 32 receptions for 409 yards and two touchdowns in 2002, his career seemed to peak that season.

Jolley had nine starts in 15 games in 2003, catching 31 passes for 250 yards. But his blocking skills were lacking, and coaches became increasingly frustrated with Jolley’s inability to master the team's complex blocking schemes.

As the tight end became less of a focus under Turner, Jolley's production slowed ever more. He started 13 games in 2004, catching 27 passes for 313 yards and two touchdowns.

The Jets, meanwhile, have been searching for answers at tight end after Anthony Becht, an unrestricted free agent, landed with the Buccaneers. Becht was coming off a career-low season in receptions (13), yards (100) and touchdowns (one), but the Jets were left with only Chris Baker (18 catches, 182 yards, four touchdowns) on the roster at the tight end position.

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General Mike · 04-20-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

Doug Jolley traded for the Jets 1st (26), and a 7th. We gave up a #2 that we got from Texans, and both our 6th round picks. We still have two comp picks in round 6.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...1/RAIDERS21.TMP

Another very nice deal. With the emmergence of Courtney Anderson, Jolley would have not played much anyway.

Another horrible move by Terry Bradway. Hate it.

cthomer5000 · 04-20-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

Another horrible move by Terry Bradway. Hate it.

Not too much a fan myself. But if they think he's the guy, i guess moving down 21 spots and picking him up is decent.

But that move just sapped a lot of draft day excitement out of me.

Young Drachma · 04-21-2005, 12:56 AM

Hmm..if the alternative was a kid from the first round that wouldn't have been a tight end - and paying him lots of money..I figure this has to be an okay deal for the J-E-T-S.

I mean, maybe the guy will find himself in the swamp?

rkmsuf · 04-21-2005, 08:07 AM

I get the feeling Jolley will be a good fit there. He's athletic...not a run blocker but would be a nice short route option. Kind of a Fauria type. Many people believe this draft is fairly muddled from 20-50 so moving down isn't horrible.

jbmagic · 04-21-2005, 11:34 AM

so who going to take cb Buchanon place in the starting lineup opposite Woodson?

General Mike · 04-21-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

so who going to take cb Buchanon place in the starting lineup opposite Woodson?

Marlin Jackson

jbmagic · 04-21-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

Marlin Jackson

you think he will fall to the Raiders on there low first round pick?

TazFTW · 04-21-2005, 11:51 AM

Heh

Quote:

Phillip Buchanon - DB - Texans

New Texans cornerback Phillip Buchanan is considering legally changing his name to ''Showtime''.
Have fun, Dom Capers. Apr. 21 - 9:50 am et
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

Danny · 04-21-2005, 04:48 PM

HAHA, another reason why I am thankful he is no longer a Raider. Like they said, have fun Coach Capers

yabanci · 04-21-2005, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

so who going to take cb Buchanon place in the starting lineup opposite Woodson?

Most likely it will be Nnamdi Asomugha (1-31 pick in 2003), recent free agent acquisition Renaldo Hill, and/or whichever cornerback they pick up with the #25 or #38 pick. Denard Walker is still around, but he's crap.

General Mike · 04-21-2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

you think he will fall to the Raiders on there low first round pick?

I think there's a good chance. I forgot about Nnamdi Asomugha too tho. He probably will start.

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Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Hmm..if the alternative was a kid from the first round that wouldn't have been a tight end - and paying him lots of money..I figure this has to be an okay deal for the J-E-T-S. I mean, maybe the guy will find himself in the swamp? __________________ Current dynasty: Playtesting chaos (Viperball 26) \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

04-21-2005, 08:07 AM	#21
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I get the feeling Jolley will be a good fit there. He's athletic...not a run blocker but would be a nice short route option. Kind of a Fauria type. Many people believe this draft is fairly muddled from 20-50 so moving down isn't horrible. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

04-20-2005, 02:52 PM	#2
bigdawg2003 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Austin, Texas, USA	I like the move by on Houston's part. They had an extra 3rd rounder from the Henson trade, and Buchanon and Robinson will be a very good CB tandem for many years after Glenn leaves. For this season it'll allow them to matchup well against the Colts and all of their WRs. Hopefully they'll be able to get Barron or Brown with the #13 pick, or better yet find someone that wants to trade up a few spots and get them later, since neither seems to be an elite prospect __________________ I didn't even know Elvis was from Memphis. I thought he was from Tennessee.

04-20-2005, 02:53 PM	#3
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	With the way their salary cap is, I think so. Also, "Showtime" got burned too many times in man coverage last year. Yes, he did score a touchdown every year, but he also got burned a lot. Now, if they can get rid of Charles Woodson...

04-20-2005, 02:55 PM	#4
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	oakland is dumb if they passed on the #9

04-20-2005, 02:56 PM	#5
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I'm glad the Redskins didn't trade for him. Buchanon is a dick, and he's overrated.

04-20-2005, 03:03 PM	#6
yabanci College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2003	The Raiders didn't pass on the #9. They were trying to get it from Washington for Buchanon and the #38 but couldn't convince the Redskins to be more foolish than they already are. Apparently even Joe Gibbs' stupidity has limits.

04-20-2005, 03:29 PM	#7
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	This move almost deserves a thread of it's own. Well maybe if it was created within 15 hours of the trade.

04-20-2005, 05:17 PM	#9
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	The deal was made last night and some guys were already talking about it in another thread.

04-20-2005, 07:16 PM	#14
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	Doug Jolley traded for the Jets 1st (26), and a 7th. We gave up a #2 that we got from Texans, and both our 6th round picks. We still have two comp picks in round 6. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...1/RAIDERS21.TMP Another very nice deal. With the emmergence of Courtney Anderson, Jolley would have not played much anyway.

04-20-2005, 07:40 PM	#15
yabanci College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2003	Another good deal. Teyo Johnson and Courtney Anderson can handle the TE duties, and most of the balls are going to be thrown to Moss, Porter, Curry, and Gabriel anyway. The Raiders give up Jolley, a 2nd, and two 6ths for the #26 pick. The Redskins give up a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th for the #25. Glad I'm not a Redskins fan.

04-21-2005, 11:34 AM	#22
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	so who going to take cb Buchanon place in the starting lineup opposite Woodson?

04-21-2005, 04:48 PM	#26
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	HAHA, another reason why I am thankful he is no longer a Raider. Like they said, have fun Coach Capers

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