All Gone!

terpkristin · 04-22-2005, 03:12 PM

May, Felton, and M. Williams have all decided to leave UNC early to enter the NBA draft, as it was announced today. They join McCants, who announced last week that he'd join. There are also 3 Tarheels that have completed their eligibility. Good riddance to them! I mean, that should make next year's team DRASTICALLY different from this year's team (and may make it better for my Terps). ESPN article can be found at http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2043604 though ESPN sucks and loads super slowly so I don't necessarily recommend looking at the site.

On related but "who cares" news, John Gilchrist will be leaving Maryland and it is believed he'll enter the draft. I wish I could say I cared about him leaving, but I really don't. Good riddance to bad blood is what I say. But you can read more about that in my blog entry at http://gimpygal.blogspot.com/2005/04...gilchrist.html

/tk

JonInMiddleGA · 04-22-2005, 03:28 PM

While I'm there http://gimpygal.blogspot.com (which I can't get to load at the moment), is it okay if I click on any Google-type ads I happen to see?

terpkristin · 04-22-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

While I'm there http://gimpygal.blogspot.com (which I can't get to load at the moment), is it okay if I click on any Google-type ads I happen to see?

Certainly, feel free to do that as much as you like!

(and sorry if the page doesn't load, I think Blogger's had some server-side problems this week)

/tk

Radii · 04-22-2005, 03:36 PM

No suprise at all really, depsite a lot of people getting their hopes waaay up(personally, I will admit to having my hopes up slightly) after some of the discussions shortly after the title win.

But, i can't complain. North Carolina has another national title. Next year will be shaky but I have faith in Roy's ability to get the team back to the NCAA tournament with what he has to work with, and espicially in his ability to pull in solid recruiting classes every year consistantly so that they are reloading every year, not rebuilding.

Also, I defended McCants during the season, I thought he was making real progress. He wasn't a ball hog anymore, he wasn't causing off the court controversy, he really seemed to be improving his character quite a bit. His antics at the final four plus the fact that he's declaring for the draft by himself minutes after UNC wins the title, while the other 3 wait and let the fans enjoy the moment, and then announce it jointly as a set of teammates, is a major step back for him. I hope McCants bombs in the NBA almost as badly as I hope May can succeed.

Peregrine · 04-22-2005, 03:41 PM

Winning the national championship takes away much, if not all, of the sting of losing all these great players. Roy will recruit well and we'll be back on our feet soon.

ThunderingHERD · 04-23-2005, 06:29 AM

I've been dreading this since before the season even started.

Hopefully the departure of May and Williams will convince Uche Echefu and some other, marginal prospects to sign.

ThunderingHERD · 04-23-2005, 06:38 AM

dola,

JamesOn Curry would be looking awfully nice right about now.
As would JR Smith.

FrogMan · 04-23-2005, 08:55 AM

tk, I thought this was gonna be about your roommate leaving town or something... I'm a bit disappointed...

FM

finkenst · 04-23-2005, 09:57 AM

i'm with FM on the initial reaction...

however, NC may be gone for a while sinc they'll have to get by with Williams' recruits now and we all know how he did at KU.

Radii · 04-23-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by finkenst

however, NC may be gone for a while sinc they'll have to get by with Williams' recruits now and we all know how he did at KU.

Yeah, poor, poor Kansas. What an awful program under Williams!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=jones/050422

More than a bit melodramatic, but I thought it was a decent read anyway.

Bomber · 04-23-2005, 10:21 AM

Williams - Top 3
Felton - Lotto
Michael Sweetney v2.0 - Mid First
Joe Forte v2.0 - Late First

ThunderingHERD · 04-23-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by finkenst

NC may be gone for a while sinc they'll have to get by with Williams' recruits now and we all know how he did at KU.

Yeh, all he did was win at least one game in the NCAAs every year and make 4 Final Fours. And he only has the highest winning % of any active coach*. What a chronic loser.

*with at least 10 years of experience

ThunderingHERD · 04-23-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Joe Forte v2.0 - Late First

Hey--don't knock Forte, he's going to be playing for his own championship tonight.

TroyF · 04-23-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Yeh, all he did was win at least one game in the NCAAs every year and make 4 Final Fours. And he only has the highest winning % of any active coach*. What a chronic loser.

*with at least 10 years of experience

It's all relative. The Kansas fans are unhappy because he had the best team in the tournament on at least 2 occasions and quite possibly the best on another 3 occasions and never won the title.

Kansas, like North Carolina, Kentucky, and Duke judge their program on championships. They EXPECT to win 24-27 games a year, head into the tourney with a #1 or #2 seed and get to the final four 30%+ of the time. That's a given.

And coaches who can't meet those expectations don't last a long time. "Matt Doherty" Roy lived up to that part of the bargain, but he never won a national title.

Is that fair? Hell no. But it's reality and I know a lot of Kansas fans who weren't upset to see him go because of it. (and yes, those same fans are seething at Bill Self right now, who is a solid coach as well)

OldGiants · 04-23-2005, 10:34 AM

So where's the post from Roy Williams to Arlie Rahn or Jim G complaining that it isn't realistic to lose your three seniors and have four underclassmen declare for the draft in the same season?

ThunderingHERD · 04-23-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

It's all relative. The Kansas fans are unhappy because he had the best team in the tournament on at least 2 occasions and quite possibly the best on another 3 occasions and never won the title.

Kansas, like North Carolina, Kentucky, and Duke judge their program on championships. They EXPECT to win 24-27 games a year, head into the tourney with a #1 or #2 seed and get to the final four 30%+ of the time. That's a given.

And coaches who can't meet those expectations don't last a long time. "Matt Doherty" Roy lived up to that part of the bargain, but he never won a national title.

Is that fair? Hell no. But it's reality and I know a lot of Kansas fans who weren't upset to see him go because of it. (and yes, those same fans are seething at Bill Self right now, who is a solid coach as well)

No argument there. What annoys me is this ridiculous notion that gets bandied about all the time that some guy or another "can't win the big one"--as if it is some deep-rooted characteristic of their being.

TroyF · 04-23-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

No argument there. What annoys me is this ridiculous notion that gets bandied about all the time that some guy or another "can't win the big one"--as if it is some deep-rooted characteristic of their being.

That part doesn't bother me as much. College coaches get paid ridiculous salaries adn get more face time than coaches in any other sport. How many commercials does Coach K have now anyway?

They can take some criticism. If they don't like it, run off to the NBA, get fired and get an announcing gig. Lots of money, no criticism there.

Joe · 04-23-2005, 12:06 PM

maybe UNC can get Matt Doherty back as a recruiter.

Wolfpack · 04-24-2005, 08:25 PM

Nope. Coach D'oh! is heading to Florida Atlantic next year, I believe.

As for all the departures by UNC, it's naturally split the State board. People are already saying Sendek should win now that Carolina's players are gone, but that he still doesn't deserve to stay at State because if he has a good year next year, it's only because Roy lost all his players.

It sucks to be a State fan in basketball anymore.

04-23-2005, 06:29 AM	#6
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I've been dreading this since before the season even started. Hopefully the departure of May and Williams will convince Uche Echefu and some other, marginal prospects to sign. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

04-23-2005, 06:38 AM	#7
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	dola, JamesOn Curry would be looking awfully nice right about now. As would JR Smith. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

04-23-2005, 08:55 AM	#8
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	tk, I thought this was gonna be about your roommate leaving town or something... I'm a bit disappointed... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

04-23-2005, 10:34 AM	#15
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	So where's the post from Roy Williams to Arlie Rahn or Jim G complaining that it isn't realistic to lose your three seniors and have four underclassmen declare for the draft in the same season? __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW

04-22-2005, 03:28 PM	#2
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	While I'm there http://gimpygal.blogspot.com (which I can't get to load at the moment), is it okay if I click on any Google-type ads I happen to see? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

04-22-2005, 03:36 PM	#4
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	No suprise at all really, depsite a lot of people getting their hopes waaay up(personally, I will admit to having my hopes up slightly) after some of the discussions shortly after the title win. But, i can't complain. North Carolina has another national title. Next year will be shaky but I have faith in Roy's ability to get the team back to the NCAA tournament with what he has to work with, and espicially in his ability to pull in solid recruiting classes every year consistantly so that they are reloading every year, not rebuilding. Also, I defended McCants during the season, I thought he was making real progress. He wasn't a ball hog anymore, he wasn't causing off the court controversy, he really seemed to be improving his character quite a bit. His antics at the final four plus the fact that he's declaring for the draft by himself minutes after UNC wins the title, while the other 3 wait and let the fans enjoy the moment, and then announce it jointly as a set of teammates, is a major step back for him. I hope McCants bombs in the NBA almost as badly as I hope May can succeed.

04-22-2005, 03:41 PM	#5
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Winning the national championship takes away much, if not all, of the sting of losing all these great players. Roy will recruit well and we'll be back on our feet soon.

04-23-2005, 09:57 AM	#9
finkenst College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: usually sunny SoCal	i'm with FM on the initial reaction... however, NC may be gone for a while sinc they'll have to get by with Williams' recruits now and we all know how he did at KU.

04-23-2005, 10:21 AM	#11
Bomber High School Varsity Join Date: Sep 2004	Williams - Top 3 Felton - Lotto Michael Sweetney v2.0 - Mid First Joe Forte v2.0 - Late First

04-23-2005, 12:06 PM	#18
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	maybe UNC can get Matt Doherty back as a recruiter.

04-24-2005, 08:25 PM	#19
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	Nope. Coach D'oh! is heading to Florida Atlantic next year, I believe. As for all the departures by UNC, it's naturally split the State board. People are already saying Sendek should win now that Carolina's players are gone, but that he still doesn't deserve to stay at State because if he has a good year next year, it's only because Roy lost all his players. It sucks to be a State fan in basketball anymore.

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