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| Peyton Manning |
  
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93 | 76.86% |
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28 | 23.14% |
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05-18-2005, 12:55 PM
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Peyton or Dante?
You're starting a team from scratch in preparation for the 2005 NFL season. Which QB do you take? Tangibles and intangibles all apply.
For the sake of this poll, these are your only two options.
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05-18-2005, 12:56 PM
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The box
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05-18-2005, 12:58 PM
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Dante.
I can't stand Manning. He has the leadership skills of a moldy turd and only slightly more than Dan Marino had.
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05-18-2005, 12:58 PM
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How would you describe the leadership skills of moldy turd?
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05-18-2005, 12:59 PM
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And Dante is lacking leadership and skills. Not the best choice to put up against Manning.
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05-18-2005, 01:01 PM
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Terrible. They have no interpersonal skills whatsoever.
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05-18-2005, 01:02 PM
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I think the order for leadership skills is Dante Moldy Turd Manning Marino
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05-18-2005, 01:05 PM
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stupid! youre so stupid! oh, id take peyton. |
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05-18-2005, 01:06 PM
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I don't see how this is even a contest.
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05-18-2005, 01:07 PM
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That Moldy Turd's due for a big payday. |
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05-18-2005, 01:34 PM
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05-18-2005, 01:35 PM
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Why would anyone in their right mind pick Dante, unless you are taking into account the cap hit.
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05-18-2005, 01:40 PM
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He might be better. Or at least on par. I thinks it's at least debatable.
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05-18-2005, 01:45 PM
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Tom Brady.
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05-18-2005, 01:46 PM
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I'd take Dante because he provides the ability to get tough yardage on the ground scrambling as well as through the air. I think they're close in the other QB skills, with Manning the better, but Dante's ability to run puts him over the top for me.
Very tough choice, though. Surround both of them with a group of talented wideouts and a running back defenses have to worry about, and they'll destroy you. Remember, Manning's great year last year was with a healthy James keeping defenses off balance. Culpepper had a great year without that protection. |
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05-18-2005, 01:49 PM
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i'd take daunte. he has more intangibles and imo is a better qb. plus, manning had better wideouts last year, and daunte still led the league in yardage, not to mention moss was out or hobbled for half of the season.
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05-18-2005, 01:54 PM
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am i going to have a decent offensive line or is it going to be like the texans and the qb is going to take 80 sacks + innumerable hits?
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05-18-2005, 01:56 PM
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I'd say go with the guy whose name you bothered to spell correctly.
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05-18-2005, 01:56 PM
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How come Danny Wuerrfel isn't included as an option? Or Ryan leaf? Rick Mirer?
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05-18-2005, 02:14 PM
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Yes there is plenty of evidence that Dante is better than Manning  .That's not my first rolleyes, but it's close. |
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05-18-2005, 02:18 PM
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I think that this might be a fairly even two-option poll if the choices were Peyton Manning and "anyone else."
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05-18-2005, 02:19 PM
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What's "better" than? Football is a tricky game when you get into these types of arguements. The fact you can't consider the fact that it's debatable means you are either unwilling or unable to look at it objectively.
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05-18-2005, 02:19 PM
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You know how sick it is that two of those three you listed were former Bears QB's? |
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05-18-2005, 02:23 PM
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05-18-2005, 02:24 PM
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05-18-2005, 02:28 PM
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funny that Culpepper has a better career QB rating than Manning does. 93.2 compared to 92.3. Its close, but considering some of you think its a no contest for Manning...
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05-18-2005, 02:31 PM
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The hype machine is a powerful force.
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05-18-2005, 02:32 PM
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If I had to pick one of them for the big game I'd forefit.
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05-18-2005, 02:40 PM
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yes it is. looking at the stats further, Manning has thrown for a lot more yards (of course, Daunte came into the league a year later and sat his rookie year, so thats expected)-- 73 starts vs. 112 for Manning. but over their careers, Culpepper has a 64.4% completion rate, vs. 63.5% for Manning. and its no surprise Culpepper has much more rushing yards and tds, while Manning has more passing tds. td/int ratio is 216/120 or 1.8 for Manning, and 129/74 or 1.74 for Culpepper. |
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05-18-2005, 02:43 PM
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If you take into account Cap I'd take Dante, if not then Peyton
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05-18-2005, 02:45 PM
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I'd pick Culpepper. IMHO, he has more leadership skills than Manning and is far more likeable (notwithstanding the "cut the meat, cut the meat" commercial).
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05-18-2005, 02:48 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2001
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Manning, please. Thank you.
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05-18-2005, 02:52 PM
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I'd go with Manning because he is white.
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05-18-2005, 02:54 PM
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I find it remarkable that some of you Peytonists think this is not even worth discussing. I'd like to hear a detailed case made as to why (instead of the "you silly ignorant peasants" kind of commentary that we've seen thusfar).
Oh, and Passcaglia? I've got a "u" for you around here somewhere. Know what you can do with it? 
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05-18-2005, 02:57 PM
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Me too.
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05-18-2005, 03:05 PM
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I'm leaning now towards Peyton for the trade value. He's got to be atleast 2 number picks and futures
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05-18-2005, 03:08 PM
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How did Dante Culpepper earn this reputation for having leadership skills?
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05-18-2005, 03:11 PM
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Not sure if he's great but it's almost by default giving it to him vs. Manning. I really question that guy as a leader where as I am neutral on Culpepper.
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05-18-2005, 03:12 PM
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its because of Daunte's "rolling" dance thing he does.
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05-18-2005, 03:14 PM
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I won't give you a detailed case, but I'll frame it for you. Based on pure ability at the position, I think Peyton Manning has demonstrated skills beyond those of any QB in the league now. While it remains difficult to compare across teams, with different surrounding casts, coaching, and team philosophies, I would be very comfortable saying that Peyton Manning represents the best skills at the QB position to start with. I think he is among the very most accurate passers, among the best defense readers, among the best managers of an offense, and among the most collected players at the position. Perhaps you can make a case that single players are better than him at specific skills, but I think he represents the overall package best of all. I honestly think that if you asked this question of 100 credentialed football experts, and asked then to name one guy (without a list of options to choose from), that you'd get plenty - at least 30 or 40 out of 100 -- to respond Peyton Manning. I believe you'd get a handful answering Cupepper, Vick, Brady and a variety of others. But Manning would easily be the top response, and his place atop this list is as nearly a consensus as anyone can be at such a scrutinized position. |
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05-18-2005, 03:16 PM
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05-18-2005, 03:18 PM
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05-18-2005, 03:19 PM
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This, to me, is essentially an acknowledgement that Manning is the guy who has the most perceived value. By the way, I'm not exactly a Manning partisan... I don't root for the guy, and I don't really like him all that much. (And I sure as hell never have him on my fantasy teams) But I think he's the near-consensus pick for this question right now. |
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05-18-2005, 03:24 PM
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Really, the stats are about even. The inability to win regular season games but not the big games is about even. One gets his stats and his share of wins with more physical gifts, the other with more mental gifts. But they have still achieved at about the same level.
I don't question anyone picking either one, I would question anyone picking either over the other with that much confidence, however. Because based on what they've done thus far and the amount of different gifts each brings to the table, I think its a wash. |
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05-18-2005, 03:24 PM
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It will be interesting to see what Daunte does if he can get a healthy offense next season. Last year the Vikings lost two key starters in Kleinsasser and Rosenthal in the first game, along with Birk and Moss missing several games and having inconsistency at the runningback position. It's impressive Culpepper had the year he did with Jermaine Wiggins as his top target.
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05-18-2005, 03:27 PM
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05-18-2005, 03:31 PM
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05-18-2005, 03:36 PM
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Daunte: Years: 1995-98 Att: 1,391 Comp: 889 Comp %: 63.9% Yards: 11,412 (plus 1,020 rushing) TDs: 84 (plus 24 rushing) Peyton: Years: 1994-97 Att: 1,381 Comp: 863 Comp %: 62.5 Yards: 11,201 TDs: 89 Pretty similar to me. Of course, you have to take into account the conferences and opponents, but putting up over 1,000 rushing yards is a pretty big deal to me. By the way, my intangibles include Peyton's choking. Did he win a National Championship? No. Did Tennessee win it the next year? Yes. Did Daunte win a National Championship? No. Did UCF win it the next year? No. Has Peyton choked in big games in the NFL? Many times...see a pattern here? |
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05-18-2005, 04:06 PM
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daunte isnt immune to choking either though... 41-0 ring a bell?
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05-18-2005, 04:07 PM
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I can't fathom why. You want Jason White as your next pro QB for this year? How about Brandon Doman, or some guy from Hawai'i? The question is who is your pick to be your NFL quarterback this year. |
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