enigma 41

enigma · 06-08-2005, 06:28 PM

Add to find what was subtracted:

Candy Shop Value?
Wilder Name for Rhode Island?
Fussing o'er the Bard?
Papa's Key?

129-010
133-006
330-215
325-255
325-255
335-226
435-114
330-215
135-004
230-150
130-010
230-150
128-013
226-306
345-229
048-105
231-156
125-004
055-115

ThunderingHERD · 06-08-2005, 07:17 PM

Wilder Name for Rhode Island?

Thorton Wilder spent time a good deal of time in Rhode Island, which inspired portions of his final novel, Theophilus North, that is partially set in that state. Yeh, it's a stretch, but I just thought I'd mention it because of the literary (I'm assuming) reference in the next clue.

Fussing o'er the Bard?

The first thing this calls to mind is the Shakespeare authorship issue, though I don't see how that could translate into a helpful clue.

Also, a disproportionately large count of the #s (23 of 38) are divisible by 5.

Arctus · 06-08-2005, 08:05 PM

Papa's Key?

Ernest Hemingway resided in Key West

TazFTW · 06-08-2005, 08:30 PM

Candy Shop Value?

Penny candy?

ThunderingHERD · 06-08-2005, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arctus

Papa's Key?

Ernest Hemingway resided in Key West

"Papa" Hemingway... excellent. So that covers north and west, although i'm not seeing any connections with south and east to the other clues at the moment--so maybe it's a dead end.

ThunderingHERD · 06-08-2005, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by enigma

Candy Shop Value?

50 Cent?

Arctus · 06-08-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

"Papa" Hemingway... excellent. So that covers north and west, although i'm not seeing any connections with south and east to the other clues at the moment--so maybe it's a dead end.

I'm not either. If it is directional, every number save that pesky 435 is less than 360. Degrees, or possibly latitude and longitude (starting from zero in the north and west)? The 435 makes it highly likely I'm not on the right track.

ThunderingHERD · 06-08-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

50 Cent?

For those who might misunderstand, rapper 50 Cent released a single, "Candy Shop", a few months ago.

Neon_Chaos · 06-08-2005, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma

Candy Shop Value?

First thing that comes to mind is 50-cent. But what does it have to do with North and West?

Arctus · 06-08-2005, 09:58 PM

Fussing o'er the Bard?

If its a number, o'er may be an indication that it in regards to one of Shakespeare's works.

That leaves Twelth Night and Two Gentlemen of Verona. Another possible option is Much Ado About Nothing, which sounds like fussing to me and would represent 0.

Neon_Chaos · 06-08-2005, 10:14 PM

So is that 50-North, 0-West?

ThunderingHERD · 06-08-2005, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctus

Fussing o'er the Bard?

If its a number, o'er may be an indication that it in regards to one of Shakespeare's works.

That leaves Twelth Night and Two Gentlemen of Verona. Another possible option is Much Ado About Nothing, which sounds like fussing to me and would represent 0.

The only other relevant # I can come up with relating Shakespeare to the clue is 17, as the 17th Earl of Oxford is the latter-day favorite amongst Stratford skeptics. Although I doubt the enigma would have us read that much into it.

I definately think that 50/50 Cent and West/Key West are correct though. Not sure about #2.

QuikSand · 06-17-2005, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

So is that 50-North, 0-West?

Sounds like these might be coordinates of some sort.

Uh...bump.

ThunderingHERD · 07-01-2005, 02:30 AM

Peregrine · 07-01-2005, 02:58 AM

The instructions say to add, so could it be 50 + North + 0 + West? If we use the normal degree system that would be 50 + 0 + 0 + 270 = 320. Does that make sense or am I crazy?

cuervo72 · 07-01-2005, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

Sounds like these might be coordinates of some sort.

Uh...bump.

Roughly in the area of London, FWIW (probably not much). More closer to Brighton I suppose, but I think this is a bit of a stretch in any case.

ThunderingHERD · 07-02-2005, 02:37 AM

I think that when I checked these coordinates orignally, it landed me right in the middle of the english channel.

But I've tried at elast a dozen strectches of a theory to work out the numerical part and nothing stuck.

So, bump.

And maybe a clue, enigma?

digamma · 07-06-2005, 04:58 PM

So, anyway, about those coordinates...

mhass · 07-06-2005, 05:26 PM

Eject! Eject!

enigma · 07-06-2005, 11:56 PM

Like I said in the other item, this is about as simple as they get. You're all on the right track. Any clues and I'm basically printing the answer in the forum. Which I don't mind doing if that's what people want.

Peregrine · 07-07-2005, 12:03 AM

Obviously doesn't seem simple to us!

Like HERD, I've been racking my brain to figure out the numeric system, maybe it's some kind of code? Is there some sort of mathematical system that corresponds to coordinates? The obvious ones, lat/long or degree coordinates, don't seem to match the numbers given

ThunderingHERD · 07-07-2005, 12:16 AM

Well, I guess I'll take a look at it again here in a minute--after a few more beers.

QuikSand · 07-12-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma

Add to find what was subtracted:

Maybe we are to get some values from the initial clues (like two numbers) and then add them back to the values in the list to get a set of coordinates?

QuikSand · 07-12-2005, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma

Like I said in the other item, this is about as simple as they get.

Harumph.

Celeval · 07-12-2005, 01:23 PM

Could the second set be directions from a starting point?

So we start at 50N, 0W and move 129 miles on 10 degrees?

Peregrine · 07-12-2005, 01:43 PM

Interesting theory Celeval, how would that tie into the subtracted angle? It feels to me that we need to determine the initial coordinates then use those as part of the series somehow to determine "what was subtracted."

QuikSand · 07-12-2005, 01:47 PM

Well, might 50N 0W be the starting point?

Peregrine · 07-12-2005, 01:53 PM

50N 0W is the best shot we have so far, though honestly I'm not all that certain about our 0 answer to that clue, it seems a bit abstract compared to the other answers.

finketr · 07-12-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Arctus

I'm not either. If it is directional, every number save that pesky 435 is less than 360. Degrees, or possibly latitude and longitude (starting from zero in the north and west)? The 435 makes it highly likely I'm not on the right track.

not sure if it's been suggest, what if this is backwards? it'd be 435 miles in a direction..

just a thought.

QuikSand · 07-12-2005, 02:30 PM

Well... IF we were dealing with Lat/Long coordinates, one would probably expect there to be a preponderance of them in, say, North America. Or, failing that, perhaps at least the Northern Hemisphere... in the relatively temperate areas.

But there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to the numbers included in that list...the first component ranges from 048 and 055 up to 435 -- a nonsense range, by the initial standard. So, there's clearly more to it than that.

"Simple" indeed.

Buzzbee · 07-20-2005, 12:22 PM

From another thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma

What is so ****ing hard about putting a bunch of coordinates on a map? Seriously. I created that puzzle in ten minutes. There's just nothing to it.

So, putting coordinates on a map is the right call.

Would be kinda clever if you 'connected the dots' to spell the password. However, as with others, the 435 and the add to find what was subtracted has me too distracted.

Peregrine · 07-20-2005, 12:49 PM

At least we get to see more abuse of our puzzle-solving abilities though!

QuikSand · 07-20-2005, 01:01 PM

That never gets old.

Chas in Cinti · 07-20-2005, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderingHERD

Wilder Name for Rhode Island?

Thorton Wilder spent time a good deal of time in Rhode Island, which inspired portions of his final novel, Theophilus North, that is partially set in that state. Yeh, it's a stretch, but I just thought I'd mention it because of the literary (I'm assuming) reference in the next clue.

That novel takes place in 1926... and it's supposedly about his twin...

so there's a couple other numbers that might help for South?

26, or 2?

Buzzbee · 07-20-2005, 01:03 PM

Heh. Doesn't bother me. I have no puzzle-solving abilities to abuse.

QuikSand · 07-20-2005, 01:08 PM

So, taking the tirade at face value -- "there's nothing to it." Presuambly we are pretty much on the right track. The numbers ARE coordinates, they presumably need some sort of adjustment (add/subtract something) and than correspond to points on a map. Seems to me we just lack the proper adjustment.

I am assuming that the eventual coordinates will need to be betwen 0 and 360 degrees "west" and between zero and 180 degrees "north" to make sense. That makes it hard to come up with a simpel factor to add to each pair shown above to get them in that range -- the first numbers in each pair include both 435 and 048, while the second numbers in each pair include 004 and 306.

Really just thinking out loud... the "there's nothing to it" does suggest that we are overthinking this.

As for "I created that puzzle in ten minutes" -- I draw from that more about the author than about the puzzle.

rkmsuf · 07-20-2005, 01:09 PM

don't anger the enigma. that would be bad.

QuikSand · 07-20-2005, 01:10 PM

"Son, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out!"

-Bill Cosby

mhass · 07-20-2005, 01:10 PM

Enigma (Jim) said in another thread that they just need to be plotted on a map to see the key. I don't have one handy though.

Buzzbee · 07-20-2005, 01:11 PM

Well, jumping ahead a bit, I'm wondering if the coordinates will identify cities whose beginning letters will spell out the password.

rkmsuf · 07-20-2005, 01:11 PM

the password is.........nipple.

QuikSand · 07-20-2005, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Well, jumping ahead a bit, I'm wondering if the coordinates will identify cities whose beginning letters will spell out the password.

That's more or less my thinking.

Maybe these are not lat/long coordinates, but some other sort... I'm not really familiar with coordinate systems, what about altidute/azimuth on a star map? (stab in dark)

Buzzbee · 07-20-2005, 01:17 PM

I'm thinking that you are overthinking again, Quik.

gstelmack · 07-20-2005, 01:28 PM

Throwing more ideas out: what coordinate system does FOF or TCY use for its city placements?

Buzzbee · 07-20-2005, 01:44 PM

129-010
133-006
330-215
325-255
325-255
335-226
435-114
330-215
135-004

There's this. Perhaps a double letter? Or perhaps the answer is 0 for this step since there is no change.

Just tossin' stuff out.

TazFTW · 07-20-2005, 01:49 PM

I tried using the decimal system for lat/long such that the first one would be 50.129 lat and 0.010 long. I get places in Mongolia and in the English channel.

Peregrine · 07-20-2005, 02:50 PM

Taz, once we figure out the adding to subtract part that system might yield better results, I'm guessing. Maybe we can subtract 50 from the "minus" part of each line? Would lead to some negative numbers though, so that's probably not it.

henry296 · 07-20-2005, 02:58 PM

I don't think negative #'s would be a problem. I negative latitude is below the equator and a negative longitude would be in the Western Hemisphere.

Todd

Buzzbee · 07-20-2005, 05:18 PM

Yet another bump, and quote from enigma:

"One guy said a coordinate was in the English Channel and everyone gave up on that angle. Weird."

Maybe they are landmarks.

TazFTW · 07-20-2005, 05:35 PM

When I use 50 0 0 and 0 0 0 (degrees, mins, secs) in mapquest's lat/long thing, it puts the star on La Manche in the English Channel. From what I've googled La Manche is what the French call the English Channel.

Maybe the point is for the Chunnel? Maybe going historical with Normandy?

[edit]La Manche means The Sleeve.

07-01-2005, 02:30 AM	#14
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	bump __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

07-02-2005, 02:37 AM	#17
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I think that when I checked these coordinates orignally, it landed me right in the middle of the english channel. But I've tried at elast a dozen strectches of a theory to work out the numerical part and nothing stuck. So, bump. And maybe a clue, enigma? __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

07-06-2005, 05:26 PM	#19
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07-06-2005, 11:56 PM	#20
enigma H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Aug 2004	Like I said in the other item, this is about as simple as they get. You're all on the right track. Any clues and I'm basically printing the answer in the forum. Which I don't mind doing if that's what people want. __________________ The FOFC Enigma is a self-repeating puzzle system. If you know the answer to the current puzzle, sign on to FOFC with the username "enigma" using the answer (in all lower case letters, with no spacing) as the password. If you're right -- you control the enigma, and may post the next puzzle under that username. The person who solves the enigma should post in the puzzle thread noting both the fact that the puzzle is solved, as well as the solution to the puzzle.

07-07-2005, 12:03 AM	#21
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Obviously doesn't seem simple to us! Like HERD, I've been racking my brain to figure out the numeric system, maybe it's some kind of code? Is there some sort of mathematical system that corresponds to coordinates? The obvious ones, lat/long or degree coordinates, don't seem to match the numbers given Last edited by Peregrine : 07-07-2005 at 12:03 AM.

06-08-2005, 07:17 PM	#2
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Wilder Name for Rhode Island? Thorton Wilder spent time a good deal of time in Rhode Island, which inspired portions of his final novel, Theophilus North, that is partially set in that state. Yeh, it's a stretch, but I just thought I'd mention it because of the literary (I'm assuming) reference in the next clue. Fussing o'er the Bard? The first thing this calls to mind is the Shakespeare authorship issue, though I don't see how that could translate into a helpful clue. Also, a disproportionately large count of the #s (23 of 38) are divisible by 5. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

06-08-2005, 08:05 PM	#3
Arctus H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: May 2005 Location: Richmond, VA	Papa's Key? Ernest Hemingway resided in Key West

06-08-2005, 08:30 PM	#4
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Candy Shop Value? Penny candy?

06-08-2005, 09:58 PM	#10
Arctus H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: May 2005 Location: Richmond, VA	Fussing o'er the Bard? If its a number, o'er may be an indication that it in regards to one of Shakespeare's works. That leaves Twelth Night and Two Gentlemen of Verona. Another possible option is Much Ado About Nothing, which sounds like fussing to me and would represent 0.

06-08-2005, 10:14 PM	#11
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	So is that 50-North, 0-West?

07-01-2005, 02:58 AM	#15
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	The instructions say to add, so could it be 50 + North + 0 + West? If we use the normal degree system that would be 50 + 0 + 0 + 270 = 320. Does that make sense or am I crazy?

07-06-2005, 04:58 PM	#18
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	So, anyway, about those coordinates...

07-07-2005, 12:16 AM	#22
ThunderingHERD College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Well, I guess I'll take a look at it again here in a minute--after a few more beers. __________________ "I'm losing my edge--to better looking people... with better ideas... and more talent. And who are actually really, really nice." "Everyone's a voyeurist--they're watching me watch them watch me right now."

07-12-2005, 01:23 PM	#25
Celeval Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cary, NC, USA	Could the second set be directions from a starting point? So we start at 50N, 0W and move 129 miles on 10 degrees?

07-12-2005, 01:43 PM	#26
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Interesting theory Celeval, how would that tie into the subtracted angle? It feels to me that we need to determine the initial coordinates then use those as part of the series somehow to determine "what was subtracted."

07-12-2005, 01:47 PM	#27
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well, might 50N 0W be the starting point?

07-12-2005, 01:53 PM	#28
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	50N 0W is the best shot we have so far, though honestly I'm not all that certain about our 0 answer to that clue, it seems a bit abstract compared to the other answers.

07-12-2005, 02:30 PM	#30
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	Well... IF we were dealing with Lat/Long coordinates, one would probably expect there to be a preponderance of them in, say, North America. Or, failing that, perhaps at least the Northern Hemisphere... in the relatively temperate areas. But there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to the numbers included in that list...the first component ranges from 048 and 055 up to 435 -- a nonsense range, by the initial standard. So, there's clearly more to it than that. "Simple" indeed.

07-20-2005, 12:49 PM	#32
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	At least we get to see more abuse of our puzzle-solving abilities though!

07-20-2005, 01:01 PM	#33
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	That never gets old.

07-20-2005, 01:03 PM	#35
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Heh. Doesn't bother me. I have no puzzle-solving abilities to abuse. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

07-20-2005, 01:08 PM	#36
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	So, taking the tirade at face value -- "there's nothing to it." Presuambly we are pretty much on the right track. The numbers ARE coordinates, they presumably need some sort of adjustment (add/subtract something) and than correspond to points on a map. Seems to me we just lack the proper adjustment. I am assuming that the eventual coordinates will need to be betwen 0 and 360 degrees "west" and between zero and 180 degrees "north" to make sense. That makes it hard to come up with a simpel factor to add to each pair shown above to get them in that range -- the first numbers in each pair include both 435 and 048, while the second numbers in each pair include 004 and 306. Really just thinking out loud... the "there's nothing to it" does suggest that we are overthinking this. As for "I created that puzzle in ten minutes" -- I draw from that more about the author than about the puzzle.

07-20-2005, 01:09 PM	#37
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	don't anger the enigma. that would be bad. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

07-20-2005, 01:10 PM	#38
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	"Son, I brought you into this world, and I can take you out!" -Bill Cosby

07-20-2005, 01:11 PM	#40
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Well, jumping ahead a bit, I'm wondering if the coordinates will identify cities whose beginning letters will spell out the password. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

07-20-2005, 01:11 PM	#41
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	the password is.........nipple. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

07-20-2005, 01:17 PM	#43
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	I'm thinking that you are overthinking again, Quik. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

07-20-2005, 01:28 PM	#44
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Throwing more ideas out: what coordinate system does FOF or TCY use for its city placements? __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

07-20-2005, 01:44 PM	#45
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	129-010 133-006 330-215 325-255 325-255 335-226 435-114 330-215 135-004 There's this. Perhaps a double letter? Or perhaps the answer is 0 for this step since there is no change. Just tossin' stuff out. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

07-20-2005, 01:49 PM	#46
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	I tried using the decimal system for lat/long such that the first one would be 50.129 lat and 0.010 long. I get places in Mongolia and in the English channel.

07-20-2005, 02:50 PM	#47
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Taz, once we figure out the adding to subtract part that system might yield better results, I'm guessing. Maybe we can subtract 50 from the "minus" part of each line? Would lead to some negative numbers though, so that's probably not it.

07-20-2005, 02:58 PM	#48
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I don't think negative #'s would be a problem. I negative latitude is below the equator and a negative longitude would be in the Western Hemisphere. Todd __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-20-2005, 05:18 PM	#49
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Yet another bump, and quote from enigma: "One guy said a coordinate was in the English Channel and everyone gave up on that angle. Weird." Maybe they are landmarks. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

07-20-2005, 05:35 PM	#50
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	When I use 50 0 0 and 0 0 0 (degrees, mins, secs) in mapquest's lat/long thing, it puts the star on La Manche in the English Channel. From what I've googled La Manche is what the French call the English Channel. Maybe the point is for the Chunnel? Maybe going historical with Normandy? [edit]La Manche means The Sleeve. Last edited by TazFTW : 07-20-2005 at 05:39 PM.

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