OOTP 6.5 Released

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 10:21 AM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=100509

Eaglesfan27 · 06-14-2005, 10:22 AM

Darn it. I said I was going to wait for reviews, but I'm off today and "jonesing" for some good sim baseball. Time to get out the credit card

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 10:24 AM

I've uploaded a 100-year history with a 16-team league. This league was run with what was pretty much the release version of the game.

Check it out.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-14-2005, 10:26 AM

Skydog,

From your beta testing does it look like modifiers won't be needed for realistic player development. Just quickly glancing over the career leaderboard, it looks good.

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 10:34 AM

The modifiers aren't nearly as necessary. Development is pretty realistic overall with the standard settings. The one development-oriented issue that he was unable to fully solve with this version (which, he says, will be revisited with OOTP7) is the AI usage of 33-36 year-olds over 23-26 year-olds with slightly-lower ratings in the starting lineup. There are far fewer of those annoying guys who show up in the lineup for the first time at age 31 and up, though, and even the 23-26-year-old issue has definitely improved. I personally would like to see a few more 40-year-olds productive than there are, but that's pretty minor in the big scheme of things.

As you also may have noticed already from the league I uploaded, batting stats have been reduced a good bit from 6.12, which is a good thing imho.

stevew · 06-14-2005, 10:39 AM

Financial Coefficient isnt in this version?

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 11:50 AM

TPB - EHM - OOTP??

Not enough time in the day....

Thanks,

Todd

jbmagic · 06-14-2005, 12:03 PM

Skydog

how is waivers and trades by the computer teams now?

MrBug708 · 06-14-2005, 12:25 PM

Does anyone else have the license servers as being down?

DanGarion · 06-14-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Does anyone else have the license servers as being down?

Seems to be a little hit and miss, but I got mine now...

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Financial Coefficient isnt in this version?

no

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

Skydog

how is waivers and trades by the computer teams now?

I think it's improved (I know this got a lot of attention in testing), but I still don't think it's where everyone would like it to be, nor do I think we're really close to that. there are just SO many variables that come into play here that it must be a gargantuan task to get right.

lots of steps in the right direction (the new team focus feature, for example), but I still will keep waivers off in my solo league

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

but I still will keep waivers off in my solo league

That stinks...

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

That stinks...

not for me.

jbmagic · 06-14-2005, 01:19 PM

thanks draft dodger for being honest.

appreciate it.

i also been looking at skydog league testing and notice some of the trades dont look balance.

what your opinion on trades in 6.5?

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

That stinks...

In the tests I've run for my own purposes (with high ratings evaluation), I'm not seeing nearly as many waivers, fwiw.

jbmagic · 06-14-2005, 01:20 PM

skydog

what evaluation weight your using please?

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

not for me.

You don't like using waivers, or they aren't just a big deal?

jbmagic · 06-14-2005, 01:43 PM

why does Skydog always ignore me?

stevew · 06-14-2005, 01:47 PM

With you, its easy.

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Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

You don't like using waivers, or they aren't just a big deal?

when 6 came out, I HATED the way waivers and such was handled, so I just got into the habit of not using them. to me, you get more competitive team AIs with it off, so (outside of testing) I've kept them off.

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

In the tests I've run for my own purposes (with high ratings evaluation), I'm not seeing nearly as many waivers, fwiw.

That's why I'm waiting a week or so to get serious. I figured you would do some extensive testing to figure out some good fictional settings.

Thanks,

Todd

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

what your opinion on trades in 6.5?

we got to see a bit into the logic behind the AI moves in testing. Without divulging stuff that I can't, I think the area that needs to be fine-tuned the most is the way that the AI evaluates talent. As that gets better in future iterations of the game, I think the trading (and, honestly, probably a lot of the waiver moves and stuff) will improve.

miked · 06-14-2005, 02:00 PM

Here is our favorite person...

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Originally Posted by KLEW1986

It won't let me buy the license for the game ootp6.5. I tried using my ootp6 license but I'm out of orders and then I go to pay for ootp6.5 and it says Cannot use credit card or whatever. It's really gay. What do I do?

Anyone want to give him their credit card number?

Ragone · 06-14-2005, 02:00 PM

Its just sad really. i wanted to get this.. yet, i cannot get my licensing information back from elicense people.. ah well.. guess that saves me 15 bucks

CraigSca · 06-14-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

why does Skydog always ignore me?

I don't think he's ignoring you, it's just that trades and waivers are a difficult part of the game to post an opinion on so early in the process. Usually issues with trades and waivers come out little by little as the initial release date fades off into oblivion.

Again, I don't think he's ignoring you, I think he's just said "waivers don't occur as much" in this iteration of the program. Beyond that, I doubt he has much more information this early in the ball game.

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 02:05 PM

oh no, he's ignoring him.

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

That's why I'm waiting a week or so to get serious. I figured you would do some extensive testing to figure out some good fictional settings.

Thanks,

Todd

...and that's why I'm pre-simming 30 years before I dive in to control a team in my dynasty.

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

...and that's why I'm pre-simming 30 years before I dive in to control a team in my dynasty.

Yeah.... well me too.

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

Here is our favorite person...

Anyone want to give him their credit card number?

Would some say he hasn't got a klew?

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

Its just sad really. i wanted to get this.. yet, i cannot get my licensing information back from elicense people.. ah well.. guess that saves me 15 bucks

You mean $10?

What's the issue.. email them and they'll get back to you. I never understand how people have so many issues with Viatech? They've been beyond great when I've used them for license emails.

Now I keep a folder in Outlook called, LICENSES just for this reason. Give them some time to get back to you Rago...

Todd

CraigSca · 06-14-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

Here is our favorite person...

Anyone want to give him their credit card number?

Apparently it's "really gay". I'm out of ideas.

CraigSca · 06-14-2005, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

You mean $10?

What's the issue.. email them and they'll get back to you. I never understand how people have so many issues with Viatech? They've been beyond great when I've used them for license emails.

Now I keep a folder in Outlook called, LICENSES just for this reason. Give them some time to get back to you Rago...

Todd

Actually, I wrote to them over a month ago asking about a TCY license that I had on my now dead hard drive. Never heard back from them. Even followed that up with a "Anyone care to respond to this attached message?" and still have heard nothing. Fortunately, I found another license I purchased earlier, therefore there's no urgency. Admittedly, if I didn't find the license, I'd probably be writing/calling every 15 mins but haven't done so. Still, it's odd that I have received absolutely no response.

Bottom line is - I'm sure if I was a squeaky wheel, I'd get what I ask for. Ragone needs to be squeakier

Ragone · 06-14-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

You mean $10?

What's the issue.. email them and they'll get back to you. I never understand how people have so many issues with Viatech? They've been beyond great when I've used them for license emails.

Now I keep a folder in Outlook called, LICENSES just for this reason. Give them some time to get back to you Rago...

Todd

I've been waiting for 3 weeks Mizzou... thats beyond enough time to type like 3 things into a database..

jbmagic · 06-14-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

I've been waiting for 3 weeks Mizzou... thats beyond enough time to type like 3 things into a database..

be sure to check your bulk mail too?

did you email them your license #, so they can check your records?

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragone

I've been waiting for 3 weeks Mizzou... thats beyond enough time to type like 3 things into a database..

Something must have happened. I've had replies of 5-15 mins during working hours. Honestly. Do you have a junk email folder that is weeding messages like that out?

[email protected] <-- is that the email address you are using?

866-723-3376 Headquarters inside USA <--- or call them

kcchief19 · 06-14-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

why does Skydog always ignore me?

Have you tried sending him a private message? That always works for me.

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 02:55 PM

I got my email within a couple hours. on a Saturday, no less.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-14-2005, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

...and that's why I'm pre-simming 30 years before I dive in to control a team in my dynasty.

and that's why I'm going to play every game for the 1st year. Hopefully, that will give time for any kinks to be worked out.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-14-2005, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Something must have happened. I've had replies of 5-15 mins during working hours. Honestly. Do you have a junk email folder that is weeding messages like that out?

[email protected] <-- is that the email address you are using?

866-723-3376 Headquarters inside USA <--- or call them

I highly recommend trying the phone call, it has never failed me yet.
(nor has emailing them, but that usually does take longer - but never more than a couple of days)

Bee · 06-14-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

Have you tried sending him a private message? That always works for me.

hehe...

Ok, in the FOFC pool who had kcchief as the next person to get banned?

valhalla · 06-14-2005, 06:50 PM

I will be waiting for reviews before i even think about buying this one.. I have no trust in these guys after all the stuff that happened in the last release..

Im hoping this is worth the $10, and not simply a ploy to generate some quick revenue untill the next version is out.

MizzouRah · 06-14-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by valhalla

I will be waiting for reviews before i even think about buying this one.. I have no trust in these guys after all the stuff that happened in the last release..

Im hoping this is worth the $10, and not simply a ploy to generate some quick revenue untill the next version is out.

I haven't even really dug deep into it yet and I would say it's WELL worth $10 if you plan on playing ootp v6.12. Too many additions and bug fixes to pass up, imo.

Todd

Mota · 06-14-2005, 08:25 PM

Skydog, the #1 prospect in your league is named Pedro Pedro. I love it! My favorite new player name!

bigdawg2003 · 06-14-2005, 08:42 PM

I bought it, and my opinion on waivers is that I still see too many really good prospects being left on waivers and lost. The A's put Huston Street on waivers and I got him when they never pulled him back. The AI does pull back players, but there are still too many 3 star and up prospects changing hands, especially relievers. Also, prospects who are out of options haven't made any appearances so far. Many times in prior versions, 4-5 star prospects that were out of options would be placed on irrevocable waivers and lost. Haven't seen that yet, but I haven't gotten very far along in a season

EDIT: Another thing that does not appear to have been fixed is the tendency of AI teams to convert starting pitchers to middle relievers and then putting them through waivers. Great way to build a young and cheap pitching staff however. Has that ever been reported to Markus?

SackAttack · 06-14-2005, 09:26 PM

Having a blast so far, but I can't believe none of the beta testers notice that minor league OPS and OBP aren't displaying properly, either in-game or in the HTML player report.

jbmagic · 06-14-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Having a blast so far, but I can't believe none of the beta testers notice that minor league OPS and OBP aren't displaying properly, either in-game or in the HTML player report.

did you report it in the ootp forum too.

Draft Dodger · 06-14-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Having a blast so far, but I can't believe none of the beta testers notice that minor league OPS and OBP aren't displaying properly, either in-game or in the HTML player report.

actually, this beta tester did notice it.
but notice that the OBP numbers are only screwed up for previous years - stuff simmed in the game works fine. I think this is a product of the creation of the roster set, related to the career/last-season stats being off kilter.

the roster creation tools are not very good...

SackAttack · 06-14-2005, 10:00 PM

jbmagic - reported it there before I did so here.

DD - I'm not using anybody's custom roster. This is the roster set the game generated when I created the league. Is it the default roster creation tools you're referring to, or...?

Ben E Lou · 06-14-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

jbmagic - reported it there before I did so here.

DD - I'm not using anybody's custom roster. This is the roster set the game generated when I created the league. Is it the default roster creation tools you're referring to, or...?

What kind of league, custom or standard?

06-14-2005, 10:22 AM	#2
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Darn it. I said I was going to wait for reviews, but I'm off today and "jonesing" for some good sim baseball. Time to get out the credit card __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

06-14-2005, 10:24 AM	#3
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I've uploaded a 100-year history with a 16-team league. This league was run with what was pretty much the release version of the game. Check it out. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'! Last edited by Ben E Lou : 06-14-2005 at 10:24 AM.

06-14-2005, 10:26 AM	#4
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Skydog, From your beta testing does it look like modifiers won't be needed for realistic player development. Just quickly glancing over the career leaderboard, it looks good. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

06-14-2005, 10:34 AM	#5
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	The modifiers aren't nearly as necessary. Development is pretty realistic overall with the standard settings. The one development-oriented issue that he was unable to fully solve with this version (which, he says, will be revisited with OOTP7) is the AI usage of 33-36 year-olds over 23-26 year-olds with slightly-lower ratings in the starting lineup. There are far fewer of those annoying guys who show up in the lineup for the first time at age 31 and up, though, and even the 23-26-year-old issue has definitely improved. I personally would like to see a few more 40-year-olds productive than there are, but that's pretty minor in the big scheme of things. As you also may have noticed already from the league I uploaded, batting stats have been reduced a good bit from 6.12, which is a good thing imho. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

06-14-2005, 01:47 PM	#20
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	With you, its easy. Code: Add jbmagic to your Ignore List Add jbmagic to your list? However, he will not accept an Ignoring. Code: vBulletin Message Sorry SkyDog is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her.

06-14-2005, 10:39 AM	#6
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Financial Coefficient isnt in this version?

06-14-2005, 11:50 AM	#7
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	TPB - EHM - OOTP?? Not enough time in the day.... Thanks, Todd

06-14-2005, 12:03 PM	#8
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Skydog how is waivers and trades by the computer teams now?

06-14-2005, 12:25 PM	#9
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Does anyone else have the license servers as being down?

06-14-2005, 01:19 PM	#15
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	thanks draft dodger for being honest. appreciate it. i also been looking at skydog league testing and notice some of the trades dont look balance. what your opinion on trades in 6.5?

06-14-2005, 01:20 PM	#17
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	skydog what evaluation weight your using please?

06-14-2005, 01:43 PM	#19
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	why does Skydog always ignore me?

06-14-2005, 02:00 PM	#25
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	Its just sad really. i wanted to get this.. yet, i cannot get my licensing information back from elicense people.. ah well.. guess that saves me 15 bucks

06-14-2005, 02:05 PM	#27
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	oh no, he's ignoring him. __________________ Mile High Hockey

06-14-2005, 02:55 PM	#38
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I got my email within a couple hours. on a Saturday, no less. __________________ Mile High Hockey

06-14-2005, 06:50 PM	#42
valhalla n00b Join Date: Sep 2004	I will be waiting for reviews before i even think about buying this one.. I have no trust in these guys after all the stuff that happened in the last release.. Im hoping this is worth the $10, and not simply a ploy to generate some quick revenue untill the next version is out. Last edited by valhalla : 06-14-2005 at 06:54 PM.

06-14-2005, 08:25 PM	#44
Mota College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001	Skydog, the #1 prospect in your league is named Pedro Pedro. I love it! My favorite new player name!

06-14-2005, 08:42 PM	#45
bigdawg2003 High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Austin, Texas, USA	I bought it, and my opinion on waivers is that I still see too many really good prospects being left on waivers and lost. The A's put Huston Street on waivers and I got him when they never pulled him back. The AI does pull back players, but there are still too many 3 star and up prospects changing hands, especially relievers. Also, prospects who are out of options haven't made any appearances so far. Many times in prior versions, 4-5 star prospects that were out of options would be placed on irrevocable waivers and lost. Haven't seen that yet, but I haven't gotten very far along in a season EDIT: Another thing that does not appear to have been fixed is the tendency of AI teams to convert starting pitchers to middle relievers and then putting them through waivers. Great way to build a young and cheap pitching staff however. Has that ever been reported to Markus? __________________ I didn't even know Elvis was from Memphis. I thought he was from Tennessee. Last edited by bigdawg2003 : 06-14-2005 at 08:46 PM.

06-14-2005, 09:26 PM	#46
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Having a blast so far, but I can't believe none of the beta testers notice that minor league OPS and OBP aren't displaying properly, either in-game or in the HTML player report.

06-14-2005, 10:00 PM	#49
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	jbmagic - reported it there before I did so here. DD - I'm not using anybody's custom roster. This is the roster set the game generated when I created the league. Is it the default roster creation tools you're referring to, or...?

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