FOF multiplayer question

[jbmagic]

i know the limit for regular season is 53 players(active+inactive)

according to the help file it says

"This gives you an effective minimum of 41 active players and a maximum of 46. Any less than 41, with the positions distributed as above, and the computer AI will definitely make changes to your lineup at the start of a simulated game. Players who are listed as "out" in the injury report may not be made active for a game.

1) first of all it letting me put players active that has an injury as "out" the help file above says you cant. why?

2) according to the help file i can have if i want 46 active and 7 inactive, or 45 active and 8 inactive,etc or 41 active and 12 inactive as long it adds up to 53 players and not less of the minimum of 41 active without the computer AI making any changes right?

but then if i do that i get a message saying this when i export. it saying i need to have 46 active or the computer AI will make changes. so the export message is going against the help file. very confusing?


so if i wanted to put 45 players active and 8 inactive according to help file i can, but according to multiplayer export message i cant or computer Ai will mess with my roster.


want to be clear. thanks

[QuikSand]

During the regular season, the limit for "inactive" players is 7. The limit for "active" players is 46. There is no limit to the number of players on IR, which do not count toward either of those groups.

You can field a legal roster with fewer than 46 players active, as long as each position group has its minimum number.

Does that get us a little closer?

[jbmagic]

quiksand

the help file says you cant make a player active that is injure as "out". but the game lets you. try it and you will see. and it will count toward the position requirement and make him active when you do it. the only thing, it wont let you list him in the depth chart.

so the help file is incorrect or the game as a minor bug letting you make an injure player as "out" active.


you right you can field a legal roster with fewer than 46 active. the minimum is 41 active. so the help file is correct there.

but when you export your file for multiplayer, you will get a message saying you need 46 active, if not the computer AI will change your roster. so its not following the help file. its going against the help file.

so if i am puttting 45 active and 8 inactive, the depth chart legal, and position requirement is met i sure hope the computer Ai dont mess with my roster when i export my file. because the export message says it will if under 46 active. and this export message is going against the help file instructions.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

so if i am puttting 45 active and 8 inactive

I will try again:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

During the regular season, the limit for "inactive" players is 7. The limit for "active" players is 46.

Do you see that 8 is more than 7? Your roster will be illegal if you submit it with more than 7 players inactive.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I will try again:



Do you see that 8 is more than 7? Your roster will be inactive if you submit it with more than 7 players inactive.

where on the help file it says 7 is the max you can put on inactive? and what happens if you have more than 7 injuries. you cant release them.


according to the help file it says you suppose to have 53 players(active+inactive) for the regular season.

and it says you can have 41 minimum for active players. the limit for inactive you can have is 12 not 7 .i think you can have 41 active and 12 inactive as long it adds up to 53 according to the help file.


but mulitplayer export says you need 46 active players and it going against the help file.

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

but mulitplayer export says you need 46 active players and it going against the help file.

I have seen many times players with 45 or fewer active players on sim day, and the AI not add anyone. As long as you have the minimums by positions, you will be fine, despite what the warning tells you.

As for the 8 versus 7, I honestly don't know. As long as you don't have more than 53 total, I think you'll be okay.

[jbmagic]

cuckoo thanks so much.

so the multiplayer export warning is not correct. that scares me when i saw it for another league i am in.

because i did everything the help file says for legal roster.

thanks

[Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

cuckoo thanks so much.

so the multiplayer export warning is not correct. that scares me when i saw it for another league i am in.

because i did everything the help file says for legal roster.

thanks

Technically, it's incorrect, but I think the purpose is just for safety on the chance that someone with only 45 players active is short on a specific position group. The message just isn't that specific.

[Chubby]

it is assuming you have 53 players on your roster hence you would need 46 active, otherwise you'd have more than 7 inactive which is a no-no

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Chubby

it is assuming you have 53 players on your roster hence you would need 46 active, otherwise you'd have more than 7 inactive which is a no-no

you can have 12 inactive. 7 is not the max.

according to the help file you can have 41 minimum active. the total active+inactive has to = 53 players for the regular season

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

you can have 12 inactive. 7 is not the max.

according to the help file you can have 41 minimum active. the total active+inactive has to = 53 players for the regular season

for the 700th time, you can NOT have more than 7 players inactive during the regular season. You can have up to 13 inactive in the preseason with a roster limit of 60.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

you can have 12 inactive. 7 is not the max.

according to the help file you can have 41 minimum active. the total active+inactive has to = 53 players for the regular season

active does NOT mean in your starting lineup or playable, which seems to be your confusion. actives means on the active roster vs on the inactive list. it has nothing to do with their injury status

[gstelmack]

The rules I follow that have yet to get me into trouble are:

- No more than 53 players on your active + inactive list.
- No more than 46 active.
- No more than 7 inactive.
- "Out" guys may be left active as long as they are off the depth chart at ANY position (when I get into trouble is forgetting an "Out" CB is also a kick returner, for example).

If you have 8 guys injured and want to make all 8 inactive, you can't do it. Any excess over 7 need to remain active, or go on IR.

I will say that I've never tested the less than 46 rule, as I'd usually drop someone before that. I have left an "Out" guy active MANY times to avoid having to release someone.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Chubby

for the 700th time, you can NOT have more than 7 players inactive during the regular season. You can have up to 13 inactive in the preseason with a roster limit of 60.

how come help file for the regular seaosn says you can have 41-46 active?


i tought active + inactive has to equal 53 players?


i tought if you have for example 44 players active and 9 inactive its legal as long you meet the roster requirement and it adds to 53 players.


you keep saying 7 inactive is the max you can have, if that true than you must have 46 players active. but according to help file you can have 41-46 players as long the roster requirement is met.

you can have 7 inactive up to 12 inactive to be legal as long you meet the roster requirement.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

how come help file for the regular seaosn says you can have 41-46 active?


i tought active + inactive has to equal 53 players?


i tought if you have for example 44 players active and 9 inactive its legal as long you meet the roster requirement and it adds to 53 players.


you keep saying 7 inactive is the max you can have, if that true than you must have 46 players active. but according to help file you can have 41-46 players as long the roster requirement is met.

you can have 7 inactive up to 12 inactive to be legal as long you meet the roster requirement.

for the 701st time, no. look at gstelmack's post. you are confusing active with on the depth chart.

[korme]

If you have more than 7 players hurt (as in listed as OUT), some guys will remain on the "active roster" but will not be able to play in the game. This is no violation of the rules, it just makes setting the depth charts a little more tricky.

While they are technically inactive because they can't play, they might remain on the "active" roster because you CAN'T have more than 7 players on the inactive roster.

[Castlerock]

Several people have already said this so I don't think my answer will make any difference but here goes:

Originally Posted by jbmagic

how come help file for the regular seaosn says you can have 41-46 active?
i tought active + inactive has to equal 53 players?

No. It cannot exceed 53.

Originally Posted by jbmagic

i tought if you have for example 44 players active and 9 inactive its legal as long you meet the roster requirement and it adds to 53 players.

No. You cannot have more than 7 inactive players.

Originally Posted by jbmagic

you keep saying 7 inactive is the max you can have, if that true than you must have 46 players active. but according to help file you can have 41-46 players as long the roster requirement is met.

you can have 7 inactive up to 12 inactive to be legal as long you meet the roster requirement.

No. You cannot have more than 7 inactive players.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Chubby

for the 701st time, no. look at gstelmack's post. you are confusing active with on the depth chart.

chubby thanks

i am sorry for the misunderstanding. i got "active" confuse in the help file.

good to know 7 is the max for inactive. i didnt see that in the help file.

again i am so sorry.

Gstelmack's is correct. thanks for clearing that up. i just make sure not to have less than 46 active and not more than 7 inactive to be safe when i export my file to the commish

[korme]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

chubby thanks

i am sorry for the misunderstanding. i got "active" confuse in the help file.

good to know 7 is the max for inactive. i didnt see that in the help file.

again i am so sorry.

Don't be sorry man that's what this board is for, well supposed to be. To help others with the game if they have trouble..

[Buzzbee]

Piling on:

46 active + 7 inactive = legal
45 active + 7 inactive = legal
44 active + 7 inactive = legal
43 active + 7 inactive = legal
42 active + 7 inactive = legal
41 active + 7 inactive = legal
40 active + 7 inactive = illegal

*The above assumes that you have met the minimum requirements for each position.


Also, I believe that in one of the patches Jim made a change that would actually allow you to place a QB who is listed as 'Out' in the 3rd slot of the depth chart for QB's. I think this is the only instance where an 'Out' player can actually be in the depth chart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


EDIT: Senator, owner of the San Antonio Volunteers in the IHOF played an entire season with less than 46 players on his roster. He was over the cap and rather than cut a good player or two in order to pick up a couple of cheap crappy free agents to get to 46, he simply played with less than 46.

[Buzzbee]

Dola - Yeah, I think "made active for a game" should probably be "in the depth chart". That is probably what was confusing the bejeezus out of jb.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Piling on:

46 active + 7 inactive = legal
45 active + 7 inactive = legal
44 active + 7 inactive = legal
43 active + 7 inactive = legal
42 active + 7 inactive = legal
41 active + 7 inactive = legal
40 active + 7 inactive = illegal

*The above assumes that you have met the minimum requirements for each position.


Also, I believe that in one of the patches Jim made a change that would actually allow you to place a QB who is listed as 'Out' in the 3rd slot of the depth chart for QB's. I think this is the only instance where an 'Out' player can actually be in the depth chart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

46 active + 7 inactive = legal
45 active + 7 inactive = legal
44 active + 7 inactive = legal
43 active + 7 inactive = legal
42 active + 7 inactive = legal
41 active + 7 inactive = legal
40 active + 7 inactive = illegal

*The above assumes that you have met the minimum requirements for each position.

that is correct, but what gets me is when you export with less than 46 active, you get a message saying you need to have 46 active or the computer Ai will makes changes to your roster.

that is where the confusion is with that export message warning. it is wrong and that export message should not come up.

[Buzzbee]

Does it say that it WILL, or does it say that it MIGHT?

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Does it say that it WILL, or does it say that it MIGHT?

for example i have 45 active and 7 inactive.

it says the following when exporting

"you only have 45 players on your active roster. you need 46 in order to field a team. Exporting this stage without adding players may lead to the game signing players for you."

i guess it says it may, but it wont right?

[Buzzbee]

Correct, as long as you meet the positional minimums. I believe that is along the lines of a "hey stupid" warning in case you really wanted or meant to have 46, but did something dumb like putting a player on IR but didn't activate a replacement. It can also be a valid "I'm gonna monkey with your roster message" if you have less than 41 active, I would imagine.

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

for example i have 45 active and 7 inactive.

it says the following when exporting

"you only have 45 players on your active roster. you need 46 in order to field a team. Exporting this stage without adding players may lead to the game signing players for you."

i guess it says it may, but it wont right?

There is not enough info in this post to answer that. If you have met all the position requirements with those 45 players and the depth charts are valid, then the AI will not touch anything.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

There is no limit to the number of players on IR

Actually, I believe there is a limit to the # of players on IR. But the number is so damn high (like 15 or something) that there is no limit within reason. There's no way anyone should ever need to IR that many players in a season.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Also, I believe that in one of the patches Jim made a change that would actually allow you to place a QB who is listed as 'Out' in the 3rd slot of the depth chart for QB's. I think this is the only instance where an 'Out' player can actually be in the depth chart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

That is correct. I've had to do that a few times with Chris Donaldson.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by Buzzbee

Correct, as long as you meet the positional minimums. I believe that is along the lines of a "hey stupid" warning in case you really wanted or meant to have 46, but did something dumb like putting a player on IR but didn't activate a replacement. It can also be a valid "I'm gonna monkey with your roster message" if you have less than 41 active, I would imagine.

thanks

what so strange is if you have 45 active and 8 inactive. you dont get any message saying you have more than 7 inactive.

i get the same message as i did for 45 active and 7 inactive.

"you only have 45 players on your active roster. you need 46 in order to field a team. Exporting this stage without adding players may lead to the game signing players for you."

but i assume the computer AI will mess with your roster because you have more 7 inactive, even though you get no warning on it right when you export?


so that why i question if we are allowed over 7 inactive. i look in the help file and it doesnt mention any limitation on it. but i take your guys words , that if you have more than 7 inactive, the computer AI will mess with your roster, even though you get no warning when you export.

[KWhit]

Trust us. YOU CANNOT HAVE MORE THAN 7 PLAYERS INACTIVE.


Seriously.

[QuikSand]

I can't understand what might compel someone to submit a roster with 45 active and 8 inactive. It sounds as though this is very important to someone, though. *shurg*

[jbmagic]

thanks guys

i trust you guys. i just make sure to have 7 inactive


quiksand.

the damn injury bug hit me on my online league 8 injuries for week 1. i will just make one injure guy active and be sure not on depth chart.

[Castlerock]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

so that why i question if we are allowed over 7 inactive. i look in the help file and it doesnt mention any limitation on it. but i take your guys words , that if you have more than 7 inactive, the computer AI will mess with your roster, even though you get no warning when you export.

It is in the help. Search on 'inactive' and it is in there somewhere. It took some hunting, but it's there.