Shaun Sullivan & Markus Heinsohn Conversation

jbmagic · 08-21-2005, 06:23 PM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...88#post1358488

Ben E Lou · 08-21-2005, 06:31 PM

Drama queen.

duckman · 08-21-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Drama queen.

Which one? Shaun or Markus?

JonInMiddleGA · 08-21-2005, 06:33 PM

Markus has always struck me as the whiniest bitch in the text-sim genre, so I can't say this was exactly a shocking thread to see.

Raiders Army · 08-21-2005, 06:40 PM

Didn't seem that bad to me.

Draft Dodger · 08-21-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Didn't seem that bad to me.

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Ben E Lou · 08-21-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

Which one? Shaun or Markus?

No, the clown that posted this. It was a very minor misunderstanding that was quickly corrected.

DaddyTorgo · 08-21-2005, 06:49 PM

agreed. the two of them are both classy guys, and I think Markus was just pointing out that press releases have a tendency to be "sensationalistic" (if that's even a word, sorry my brain is fried right now). If you notice, Shaun posted quickly after Markus's initial post and then Markus fired back a clarification. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it's apparent these two have no bad blood, and I think there is more than enough room in the market for 2 text sims in any sport.

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

agreed. the two of them are both classy guys, and I think Markus was just pointing out that press releases have a tendency to be "sensationalistic" (if that's even a word, sorry my brain is fried right now). If you notice, Shaun posted quickly after Markus's initial post and then Markus fired back a clarification. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it's apparent these two have no bad blood, and I think there is more than enough room in the market for 2 text sims in any sport.

That's exactly how I saw it too.

Anyone else remember when .400 (Stallings) released a similar PR when TPF came out (and compared to FOF, and Jim's reaction)?

DaddyTorgo · 08-21-2005, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

That's exactly how I saw it too.

Anyone else remember when .400 (Stallings) released a similar PR when TPF came out (and compared to FOF, and Jim's reaction)?

whoa bucc, you agree with me on something?? ummn, is it snowing in hell?

i think this might be a first

jeff061 · 08-21-2005, 06:54 PM

Yeah it was no big deal.

And I do find it funny Skydog takes advantage of every chance he can to insult JBmagic. If I knew why it probably would lose some of its humour.

MikeVic · 08-21-2005, 06:54 PM

Oh oh.

timmynausea · 08-21-2005, 06:57 PM

Hm...

FBPro · 08-21-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Drama queen.

Concur....

jbmagic · 08-21-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Yeah it was no big deal.

And I do find it funny Skydog takes advantage of every chance he can to insult JBmagic. If I knew why it probably would lose some of its humour.

i really want to know too.

i never done anything to him. and for him to hate me so much is very confusing.

i really look up to skydog when my interest was for a sports sim game. i read his post for ootp and FOF and that made my interest to buy the game.

so it really bothers me that he hates mes so much and always insulted me.

people post worse things here, and he never insults them.

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

whoa bucc, you agree with me on something?? ummn, is it snowing in hell? http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/fo...es/biggrin.gif i think this might be a first

I am surprised that you would remember anything I disagreed with you on because I don't recall any "debates" with you. Hmmm....

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

i really want to know too.

i never done anything to him. and for him to hate me so much is very confusing.

i really look up to skydog when my interest was for a sports sim game. i read his post for ootp and FOF and that made my interest to buy the game.

so it really bothers me that he hates mes so much and always insulted me.
i never broken any rules here.

i really hope he not biased toward Itailan people.

No, just French people.

Ben E Lou · 08-21-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

And I do find it funny Skydog takes advantage of every chance he can to insult JBmagic.

Heh. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Chief Rum · 08-21-2005, 07:04 PM

Only thing I found not right about is that, really, Markus shouldn't have said anything at all, but "Congrats, Shaun" and moved on.

I mean, did he really have to say anything? I realize they are direct competitors, but the classy move would have been to not point out something like that (and especially when your own publishing team has done much the same sort of thing int he past and will in the future as well).

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only thing I found not right about is that, really, Markus shouldn't have said anything at all, but "Congrats, Shaun" and moved on.

I mean, did he really have to say anything? I realize they are direct competitors, but the classy move would have been to not point out something like that (and especially when your own publishing team has done much the same sort of thing int he past and will in the future as well).

Except that I don't think you will find a PR about OOTP7 on the Matrix forum.

Matt, good to see you again, you doing well?

Marc Vaughan · 08-21-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Markus has always struck me as the whiniest bitch in the text-sim genre, so I can't say this was exactly a shocking thread to see.

Markus is pretty cool actually ... I've been working with him for a while now and can safely say that I haven't heard any whining from him at all ...

I do think he finds the PR side of the industry somewhat bemusing at times though (which is what I think he was trying to get across in his post) .....

Every game ever released will always claim to the the best thing since sliced bread, simply because it'd be commercial suicide to indicate otherwise ... the only people who can really indicate this sort of thing imho isn't the publishers/PR people but the people who play the games themselves.

timmynausea · 08-21-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only thing I found not right about is that, really, Markus shouldn't have said anything at all, but "Congrats, Shaun" and moved on.

I mean, did he really have to say anything? I realize they are direct competitors, but the classy move would have been to not point out something like that (and especially when your own publishing team has done much the same sort of thing int he past and will in the future as well).

Agreed.

sterlingice · 08-21-2005, 07:10 PM

I just wanted to google fight it:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...un+Sullivan%22

SI

Chief Rum · 08-21-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except that I don't think you will find a PR about OOTP7 on the Matrix forum.

Matt, good to see you again, you doing well?

While I am sure that's true, I was just talking about Markus's response there, not the overall PR approach of the support communities of the games. For what it's worth, I still have never played PS (can't stand that it doesn't have full minors, or at least not last I checked), and have owned every OOTP since OOTP@, despite my objections at points to the game design.

I am doing well. Working a lot. Obviously can't hang out online as much as I like. How are you doing, Steve?

Matt

jbmagic · 08-21-2005, 07:17 PM

this thread was to show a conversation between them.

if certain people or mods want to read more into this thread then i cant do nothing about it.

i just posted the link and made no comments.

gottimd · 08-21-2005, 07:20 PM

Can't we all just get along? Or has Festivus begun and this is the "Airing of Grievances"? How long until the "Feats of Strength"?

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

skydog , why dont you be a man and explain why you have a beef with me?

i really want to understand.

i am a good person that love sports sims game and sports like everyone here.

i love this community and just trying to understand why you have this feeling toward me?

i want to make peace.

and if i did anything to upset you then i am truly sorry.

it has to be more than my grammar that making you mad.

Spike and Chester

DaddyTorgo · 08-21-2005, 07:20 PM

FESTIVUS!!!

astrosfan64 · 08-21-2005, 07:21 PM

I've hung out at matrix games for a while. If you want to talk about whiney people, the matrix guys take the cake. I like pure sim, but i think Matrix is crap.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-21-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Markus is pretty cool actually ... I've been working with him for a while now and can safely say that I haven't heard any whining from him at all ...

Different experiences for different people I guess. {shrug}

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

Can't we all just get along? Or has Festivus begun and this is the "Airing of Grievances"? How long until the "Feats of Strength"?

Until the Seventh Seal is opened.

JonInMiddleGA · 08-21-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Until the Seventh Seal is opened.

Wasn't there a movie about that?

Fouts · 08-21-2005, 07:28 PM

Talk about a non-story. Do you work for the media?

DaddyTorgo · 08-21-2005, 07:29 PM

yep. with Demi Moore. It was made in the mid-80's....was on TV just the other night.

edit: hxxp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096073/

Draft Dodger · 08-21-2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Different experiences for different people I guess. {shrug}

st.cronin · 08-21-2005, 07:30 PM

Where are our top threadjackers when you need them?

gottimd · 08-21-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Where are our top threadjackers when you need them?

Banned?

JonInMiddleGA · 08-21-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

Why the rolly eyes for that one DD?

What did you want me to do, argue with Marc about the difference in our feelings about the guy? He has one set of experience & impressions, I have another, even a hardliner like me figures those can co-exist pretty well & aren't mutually exclusive.

Subby · 08-21-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Where are our top threadjackers when you need them?

ProbBLY HAVING SEX WITH YO MAMA!!@@!!11!!

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

ProbBLY HAVING SEX WITH YO MAMA!!@@!!11!!

OMG!!!!@@@@!!!!! PIX PIX PIX PIX PLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!OMG!!!!!@@@!!!

k?

JeeberD · 08-21-2005, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Didn't seem that bad to me.

Yup yup.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-21-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only thing I found not right about is that, really, Markus shouldn't have said anything at all, but "Congrats, Shaun" and moved on.

I mean, did he really have to say anything? I realize they are direct competitors, but the classy move would have been to not point out something like that (and especially when your own publishing team has done much the same sort of thing int he past and will in the future as well).

I completely agree.

Pumpy Tudors · 08-21-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

OMG!!!!@@@@!!!!! PIX PIX PIX PIX PLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!OMG!!!!!@@@!!!

k?

Quoted for posterity.

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Quoted for posterity.

Man, that's the second time you've done that. The QOTM ain't coming back, if that's what you're waiting for.

FBPro · 08-21-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Only thing I found not right about is that, really, Markus shouldn't have said anything at all, but "Congrats, Shaun" and moved on.

I mean, did he really have to say anything? I realize they are direct competitors, but the classy move would have been to not point out something like that (and especially when your own publishing team has done much the same sort of thing int he past and will in the future as well).

FWIW-this is how YOU (and others) may have chosen to handle it....he did not and honestly this is all just pointing out the fact that the post was 99.9% meaningless.........nothing to see here move on.

Pumpy Tudors · 08-21-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Man, that's the second time you've done that. The QOTM ain't coming back, if that's what you're waiting for.

Nah, the QOTM didn't really mean anything to me when it was around. I'm just saving these because they're from you, sweetheart.

Buccaneer · 08-21-2005, 08:09 PM

I love you, too, Pumpsy.

Pumpy Tudors · 08-21-2005, 08:09 PM

SO I WENT TO A COUNTY FAIR YESTERDAY AND TOOK A PICTURE. WHAT YOU THINK?

Mac Howard · 08-21-2005, 08:26 PM

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press releases should stick to facts.

ha ha, Ha ha, HA HA, HAA HAA HAA

Izulde · 08-21-2005, 08:31 PM

Isn't this something really petty to be arguing about?

I mean y'all that are having your mini-pissing contests in this thread are making this shit out to be bigger than what it is.

What's the matter? Mr. Happy decide to take the day off or something? Dr. V can help you out. Just ask any aging major league baseball player who got busted for 'roids.

08-21-2005, 06:31 PM	#2
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08-21-2005, 06:33 PM	#4
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08-21-2005, 06:54 PM	#11
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08-21-2005, 07:04 PM	#19
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Only thing I found not right about is that, really, Markus shouldn't have said anything at all, but "Congrats, Shaun" and moved on. I mean, did he really have to say anything? I realize they are direct competitors, but the classy move would have been to not point out something like that (and especially when your own publishing team has done much the same sort of thing int he past and will in the future as well). __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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08-21-2005, 06:40 PM	#5
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Didn't seem that bad to me.

08-21-2005, 06:49 PM	#8
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	agreed. the two of them are both classy guys, and I think Markus was just pointing out that press releases have a tendency to be "sensationalistic" (if that's even a word, sorry my brain is fried right now). If you notice, Shaun posted quickly after Markus's initial post and then Markus fired back a clarification. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill, it's apparent these two have no bad blood, and I think there is more than enough room in the market for 2 text sims in any sport.

08-21-2005, 06:54 PM	#12
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Oh oh.

08-21-2005, 06:57 PM	#13
timmynausea College Starter Join Date: Dec 2002	Hm...

08-21-2005, 07:17 PM	#25
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	this thread was to show a conversation between them. if certain people or mods want to read more into this thread then i cant do nothing about it. i just posted the link and made no comments.

08-21-2005, 07:20 PM	#26
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08-21-2005, 07:21 PM	#29
astrosfan64 College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2004	I've hung out at matrix games for a while. If you want to talk about whiney people, the matrix guys take the cake. I like pure sim, but i think Matrix is crap.

08-21-2005, 07:28 PM	#33
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Talk about a non-story. Do you work for the media?

08-21-2005, 07:29 PM	#34
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	yep. with Demi Moore. It was made in the mid-80's....was on TV just the other night. edit: hxxp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096073/ Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 08-21-2005 at 07:30 PM.

08-21-2005, 07:30 PM	#36
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Where are our top threadjackers when you need them?

08-21-2005, 08:09 PM	#47
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	I love you, too, Pumpsy.

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08-21-2005, 08:31 PM	#50
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Isn't this something really petty to be arguing about? I mean y'all that are having your mini-pissing contests in this thread are making this shit out to be bigger than what it is. What's the matter? Mr. Happy decide to take the day off or something? Dr. V can help you out. Just ask any aging major league baseball player who got busted for 'roids. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

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