Most extreme case I've seen of low ratings vs. great combine?

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 07:29 PM

It just may be.

gottimd · 09-21-2005, 07:31 PM

possible boom?

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gottimd

possible boom?

Gee, ya think?

gottimd · 09-21-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

Gee, ya think?

no

sovereignstar · 09-21-2005, 07:33 PM

Hmm, mob name. Maybe he lost a body part or two.

Edit: Duh, this is pre-draft.

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 07:35 PM

Well, I'm in year 2 of a new Empty Cupboard career, so I'm going to draft him and play him.

gstelmack · 09-21-2005, 07:38 PM

There is at least one of those in EVERY draft I've run (of course, my league is only on its second FOF draft, the others were from TCY). I always see at least one mid-30s rated player who has fantastic combine numbers. Two of them will be my starting CBs this season (58 and 61 futures, with the first almost fully developed), and one of the other GMs got to this season's candidate before I could.

Suspiciously, almost all of them are DBs...

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gstelmack

There is at least one of those in EVERY draft I've run (of course, my league is only on its second FOF draft, the others were from TCY). I always see at least one mid-30s rated player who has fantastic combine numbers. Two of them will be my starting CBs this season (58 and 61 futures, with the first almost fully developed), and one of the other GMs got to this season's candidate before I could.

Suspiciously, almost all of them are DBs...

I haven't seen them quite this low-rated, I don't think.

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 07:52 PM

I took him 6(1), fwiw.

gstelmack · 09-21-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

I haven't seen them quite this low-rated, I don't think.

Actually, that 21 current means he's pretty decently rated. I see mid-teens current / mid-30s future with those numbers at least once per draft.

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 08:41 PM

Up to 26/41 post-training camp.

Dutch · 09-21-2005, 08:49 PM

You would have drafted him in the 2nd round if this were IHOF.

Ben E Lou · 09-21-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

You would have drafted him in the 2nd round if this were IHOF.

In all seriousness, I'll bet he would have gone mid-to-late 3rd round.

Dutch · 09-21-2005, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDog

In all seriousness, I'll bet he would have gone mid-to-late 3rd round.

I believe the WR in our last draft is a good example of a player we would normally draft in round 6 or 7 that went in the 2nd round.

What was his name...Cary Dole, drafted at 2.31 by Buzzbee. No AI player would have likely touched him.

Kozure · 09-21-2005, 09:25 PM

At least he is 61 percent of the way developed.

Warhammer · 09-22-2005, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

I believe the WR in our last draft is a good example of a player we would normally draft in round 6 or 7 that went in the 2nd round.

What was his name...Cary Dole, drafted at 2.31 by Buzzbee. No AI player would have likely touched him.

How did that guy turn out? I haven't checked.

Poli · 09-22-2005, 08:06 AM

5'8"?

gottimd · 09-22-2005, 08:15 AM

That is 68 inches of pure football potential.

Raiders Army · 09-22-2005, 08:50 AM

Is his agent a master?

Dutch · 09-22-2005, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

How did that guy turn out? I haven't checked.

I can't remember his pre draft numbers, but I think he's the exact same. Maybe up a point or two in future?

JeffW · 09-22-2005, 10:51 PM

This guy will surely breakout. The more I play FOF2K4, the more I appreciate the importance of combine scores. The scout ratings are of secondary importance.

stevew · 09-22-2005, 10:52 PM

Most of the time, rounds 4-7, in solo play, i draft guys with extreme bench scores for their position, as they tend to break out.

Ben E Lou · 09-25-2005, 07:45 PM

Season 1: 16 starts (all at SS), 9 INT's, 11 passes defensed, 20.6 PDPct, 83 tackles 23 assists, rated 30/41 at the end of the year, Defensive Rookie Of The Year

Ben E Lou · 09-25-2005, 08:09 PM

34/47 at the beginning of free agency in year 2.

nilodor · 09-25-2005, 09:17 PM

I imagine he might end up mid to high 60's for overall rating, should be quite the centerfielder for you.

JasonC23 · 09-26-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by nilodor

I imagine he might end up mid to high 60's for overall rating, should be quite the centerfielder for you.

Somehow I misread this as "...should be quite the centerfold for you."

Must be Monday...

Ben E Lou · 09-28-2005, 08:10 AM

In Year 2, Valencia doesn't get as many INT's, but he improves other numbers to register a better PDPct than last year: 3 INT's, 15 passes defensed, 28 catches allowed (down from 44). His PDPct was 20.7, and he had 68 tackles and 21 assists. Beginning of free agnecy in season 3 (2008), he's up to 46/51.

tucker342 · 09-28-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JasonC23

Somehow I misread this as "...should be quite the centerfold for you."

Must be Monday...

That's how I read it as well

pretty good pick up for a 6th round pick

Ben E Lou · 09-29-2005, 04:53 AM

This guy has been fun to watch closely so far. In Year 3, he picks off 5, breaks up 13, gives up 32 catches, all good for a 20.6 PDPct. He also racks up 70 tackles and 24 assists. After Year 4's training camp, he's up to 59/59.

Ben E Lou · 10-11-2005, 02:17 PM

Update:

Entering Year 8, he's rated 64/64, is a Mentor, and has started 95 games in 7 seasons, with 78 passes defense, and a career 20.3 PDPct.

stevew · 11-01-2005, 08:18 AM

This guy was pretty extreme. I drafted him in the second, and he busted.

Pre Draft

Post draft.

Those are stud combine numbers. I'll sign him and see what happens, this bust is totally odd.

stevew · 11-01-2005, 08:22 AM

dola, I thought the original title of this post applied when i started the post, until i discovered he busted. It would be extreme if he had those combine numbers and a pre draft potential of only 36 overall.

Icy · 11-01-2005, 09:26 AM

I had a good boom this year in the NAFL Draft, he is already starting this year as he was 92% developed. His volativity was just average so the developed % was what made me draft him in the 4rd round as i hoped the boom it ended having.

During draft

After Draft

Ben E Lou · 11-01-2005, 09:49 AM

Seeing this thread bumped made me want to check on Valencia. He's no longer a Falcon, as I couldn't keep him around due to cap issues. At the beginning of his 12th year, he's rated 67/67--the eighth-best rating for either safety position in the current universe. He has a career PDPct of 20.2, and is still getting 70-80 tackles per full season.

09-21-2005, 07:31 PM	#2
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	possible boom? __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

09-21-2005, 07:33 PM	#5
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	Hmm, mob name. Maybe he lost a body part or two. Edit: Duh, this is pre-draft. Last edited by sovereignstar : 09-21-2005 at 07:34 PM.

09-21-2005, 07:35 PM	#6
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Well, I'm in year 2 of a new Empty Cupboard career, so I'm going to draft him and play him. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-21-2005, 07:38 PM	#7
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	There is at least one of those in EVERY draft I've run (of course, my league is only on its second FOF draft, the others were from TCY). I always see at least one mid-30s rated player who has fantastic combine numbers. Two of them will be my starting CBs this season (58 and 61 futures, with the first almost fully developed), and one of the other GMs got to this season's candidate before I could. Suspiciously, almost all of them are DBs... __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

09-21-2005, 07:52 PM	#9
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	I took him 6(1), fwiw. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-21-2005, 08:41 PM	#11
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Up to 26/41 post-training camp. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-21-2005, 08:49 PM	#12
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	You would have drafted him in the 2nd round if this were IHOF.

09-21-2005, 09:25 PM	#15
Kozure High School JV Join Date: Apr 2004	At least he is 61 percent of the way developed.

09-22-2005, 08:06 AM	#17
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	5'8"? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-22-2005, 08:15 AM	#18
gottimd Dearly Missed (9/25/77-12/23/08) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: DC Suburbs	That is 68 inches of pure football potential. __________________ NAFL New Orleans Saints GM/Co-Commish MP Career Record: 114-85 NAFL Super Bowl XI Champs In memory of Gavin Anthony: 7/22/08-7/26/08

09-22-2005, 08:50 AM	#19
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Is his agent a master?

09-22-2005, 10:51 PM	#21
JeffW High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2005	This guy will surely breakout. The more I play FOF2K4, the more I appreciate the importance of combine scores. The scout ratings are of secondary importance.

09-22-2005, 10:52 PM	#22
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Most of the time, rounds 4-7, in solo play, i draft guys with extreme bench scores for their position, as they tend to break out.

09-25-2005, 07:45 PM	#23
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Season 1: 16 starts (all at SS), 9 INT's, 11 passes defensed, 20.6 PDPct, 83 tackles 23 assists, rated 30/41 at the end of the year, Defensive Rookie Of The Year __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-25-2005, 08:09 PM	#24
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	34/47 at the beginning of free agency in year 2. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-25-2005, 09:17 PM	#25
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	I imagine he might end up mid to high 60's for overall rating, should be quite the centerfielder for you.

09-28-2005, 08:10 AM	#27
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	In Year 2, Valencia doesn't get as many INT's, but he improves other numbers to register a better PDPct than last year: 3 INT's, 15 passes defensed, 28 catches allowed (down from 44). His PDPct was 20.7, and he had 68 tackles and 21 assists. Beginning of free agnecy in season 3 (2008), he's up to 46/51. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

09-29-2005, 04:53 AM	#29
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	This guy has been fun to watch closely so far. In Year 3, he picks off 5, breaks up 13, gives up 32 catches, all good for a 20.6 PDPct. He also racks up 70 tackles and 24 assists. After Year 4's training camp, he's up to 59/59. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

10-11-2005, 02:17 PM	#30
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Update: Entering Year 8, he's rated 64/64, is a Mentor, and has started 95 games in 7 seasons, with 78 passes defense, and a career 20.3 PDPct. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

11-01-2005, 08:18 AM	#31
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This guy was pretty extreme. I drafted him in the second, and he busted. Pre Draft Post draft. Those are stud combine numbers. I'll sign him and see what happens, this bust is totally odd.

11-01-2005, 08:22 AM	#32
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	dola, I thought the original title of this post applied when i started the post, until i discovered he busted. It would be extreme if he had those combine numbers and a pre draft potential of only 36 overall.

11-01-2005, 09:26 AM	#33
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	I had a good boom this year in the NAFL Draft, he is already starting this year as he was 92% developed. His volativity was just average so the developed % was what made me draft him in the 4rd round as i hoped the boom it ended having. During draft After Draft Last edited by Icy : 11-01-2005 at 09:29 AM.

11-01-2005, 09:49 AM	#34
Ben E Lou Morgado's Favorite Forum Fascist Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Greensboro, NC	Seeing this thread bumped made me want to check on Valencia. He's no longer a Falcon, as I couldn't keep him around due to cap issues. At the beginning of his 12th year, he's rated 67/67--the eighth-best rating for either safety position in the current universe. He has a career PDPct of 20.2, and is still getting 70-80 tackles per full season. __________________ The media don't understand the kinds of problems and pressures 54 million come wit'!

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