Who is the fourth best quarterback in the NFL?

[digamma]

(Stolen from Colin Cowherd this morning.)

If you take as a given that Brady, Manning and McNabb are the three best quarterbacks in the league (in some order), who is number four?

[rkmsuf]

Culpepper


creeping up the list
Carson Palmer

[Bea-Arthurs Hip]

Dante


crapping in his pants
Joey Harrington

[rkmsuf]

I'd like to meet the Brian Griese voters.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I'd like to meet the Brian Griese voters.

I voted for him just so I could meet you.

[colt45]

vick - but in another few weeks, i'll be changing my vote to testaverde

[cthomer5000]

I'm imaging "If I could pick a QB from here to be my starter" and I'm debating between Vick, Palmer, and Leftwich.

[wade moore]

I think if you're talking about ability as a QB right now, I have to go Trent Green. He has shown the most consistent performance out of all of these guys over the last few years.

Now if you're talking about "upside" and who you would "build a team around" my answer might be different.

[st.cronin]

The Daunte voters have clearly never seen the man play.

[albionmoonlight]

Before this season, I would have said Culpepper without hesitation. Now, the jury is still out. Lighting up the Saints' defense does not mean anything. Let's see what he does with the rest of the season.

Leaving Culpepper aside, I think I would go with Trent Green, but Byron Leftwich sure is tempting.

[digamma]

Originally Posted by colt45

vick - but in another few weeks, i'll be changing my vote to testaverde

In the end, I'm not sure if I can get past Vick's winning percentage as a starter.

But, Vinny is delicious.

[Bea-Arthurs Hip]

"The Daunte voters have clearly never seen the man play."

No but I have listened to Viking games on my Ham Radio. Does that count?

[Raiders Army]

McFagg isn't one of the top three, I'm sorry.

Speaking of him, did you hear that he got a McDonald's endorsement deal? They're going to call his sandwich the McFagg and it'll have a hot dog crammed in a bun with chocolate syrup on one end of it.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

McFagg isn't one of the top three, I'm sorry.

Speaking of him, did you hear that he got a McDonald's endorsement deal? They're going to call his sandwich the McFagg and it'll have a hot dog crammed in a bun with chocolate syrup on one end of it.

Now thats Faggoty.

[scooper]

Yes, this is a homer vote, but if we are basing it on this season, I'd have to go with Carson Palmer. He's gone head to head with Culpepper. You saw how that turned out.

[Kodos]

Gotta go with the IU alum. Even though he sucked at IU. Trent Green.

[st.cronin]

I voted for Palmer, but I would also go with Green, Brees, Hasselbeck, Leftwich, and Bulger over Culpepper. He's just not that good, folks. I've been watching him for years; he drops the ball, makes poor decisions, isn't very accurate, is easily confused by a good defense... he will never, ever play in a Super Bowl, I promise you.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

McFagg isn't one of the top three, I'm sorry.

Speaking of him, did you hear that he got a McDonald's endorsement deal? They're going to call his sandwich the McFagg and it'll have a hot dog crammed in a bun with chocolate syrup on one end of it.

I'm not very easily offended, but this offended me.


Just thought i'd share.

[Raiders Army]

My apologies.

[rkmsuf]

Leftwich? Not getting that one. Has almost zero athletic ablility and an endless windup in his delivery.

Gutsy, sure but outside of a huge body and pain tolerance, I don't see it.

[pennywisesb]

It seems as though Kerry Collins was left off the list

I'm gonna have to go Southern Cal alumni Carson Palmer at this point. We'll see if he continues his high performance level for the rest of the year though.

[MIJB#19]

Where's Trent Dilfer?

[Swaggs]

McNair and Big Ben are better than a lot of these guys, too.

[Johnny93g]

Matt Leinart.........



oops, thats for next season

[digamma]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

McNair and Big Ben are better than a lot of these guys, too.

I think that's fair. I don't think I'd rank either of them fourth, but the probably deserve to be on the list.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

McNair and Big Ben are better than a lot of these guys, too.

A healthy McNair is in the top 3, but I doubt his ability to stay healthy.

[Bearcat729]

I've been VERY impressed with how Palmer has looked this season. So he got my vote

[QuikSand]

How long ago was it that there was a sizable contingent arguing that Culpepper belonged in the conversation for the #1 QB spot, right alongside Manning (and nobody else)? This was what - July of this year? Am I dreaming that this was an actual FOFC debate, with two reasonably robust sides (i.e. a fairly sizable contigent arguing they'd take Culpepper ahead of Manning or anyone else)?

And now Culpepper can hardly stand out when put in a field of ten for the #4 ranking in the exact same regard? But he is by "consensus" not in the top three?

What the hell happened? Is this all about having two lousy games to open this season?

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

How long ago was it that there was a sizable contingent arguing that Culpepper belonged in the conversation for the #1 QB spot, right alongside Manning (and nobody else)? This was what - July of this year? Am I dreaming that this was an actual FOFC debate, with two reasonably robust sides (i.e. a fairly sizable contigent arguing they'd take Culpepper ahead of Manning or anyone else)?

And now Culpepper can hardly stand out when put in a field of ten for the #4 ranking in the exact same regard? But he is by "consensus" not in the top three?

What the hell happened? Is this all about having two lousy games to open this season?

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/foru...ight=Culpepper

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

How long ago was it that there was a sizable contingent arguing that Culpepper belonged in the conversation for the #1 QB spot, right alongside Manning (and nobody else)? This was what - July of this year? Am I dreaming that this was an actual FOFC debate, with two reasonably robust sides (i.e. a fairly sizable contigent arguing they'd take Culpepper ahead of Manning or anyone else)?

And now Culpepper can hardly stand out when put in a field of ten for the #4 ranking in the exact same regard? But he is by "consensus" not in the top three?

What the hell happened? Is this all about having two lousy games to open this season?

I think it's about a perception that those two bad games are a sign of things to come without Randy Moss.

For what it's worth, I was on the Manning side of the fence in the previous argument.. but I wonder if those who changed all of a sudden are against Culpepper realize that he had good games without Moss last year....

[QuikSand]

Thanks, gottimd - looks like it was May, not July. Worlds apart.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

How long ago was it that there was a sizable contingent arguing that Culpepper belonged in the conversation for the #1 QB spot, right alongside Manning (and nobody else)? This was what - July of this year? Am I dreaming that this was an actual FOFC debate, with two reasonably robust sides (i.e. a fairly sizable contigent arguing they'd take Culpepper ahead of Manning or anyone else)?

And now Culpepper can hardly stand out when put in a field of ten for the #4 ranking in the exact same regard? But he is by "consensus" not in the top three?

What the hell happened? Is this all about having two lousy games to open this season?

He's a very good athlete who has put up solid stats. He's a combination of very good strengths and very obvious, glaring weaknesses. In the dome, with the crowd and the right recievers, he looks very good. But he is constantly fumbling the ball, is very easily confused by a good defense, and makes really stupid decisions with frightening frequency. I don't think we will last more than 2 or 3 more years as a starter and I doubt he will ever play in a super bowl.

[QuikSand]

You don't need to sell me on Daunte's shortcomings... I just wonder at how quickly the "consensus" has seemingly changed. Just a few months ago (even after the last Superbowl) the insertion of Brady into the conversation was a novelty idea - a way to get in a "dig" that maybe intangibes count more than stats. Then, the battle of Peyton v. Daunte raged on, with something like a 70/30 split for Peyton as #1, but a sizable number of people arguing that Daunte deserved either the top spot, or perhaps a dead heat for it... but defending mightily the notion that he was the guy to be on the other side of that poll.

Now, a few months but only three real games later, Culpepper is suddenly relegated to this obvious second-tier status? Where are all these backers who, a very short time ago, were so strenuously arguing that Culpepper was #1a on this list, at the very least?

I for one, was arguing back then that a fairer contest would be Manning vs. "anyone else," and that Culpepper didn't merit such special consideration.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

...I doubt he will ever play in a super bowl.

And I thought we had your personal guarantee on this.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

McFagg isn't one of the top three, I'm sorry.

Speaking of him, did you hear that he got a McDonald's endorsement deal? They're going to call his sandwich the McFagg and it'll have a hot dog crammed in a bun with chocolate syrup on one end of it.

To the person who CONTINUES to report every time someone calls him this:

It is said that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Man, this is getting annoying.

[rkmsuf]

Who reports posts?

[digamma]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

You don't need to sell me on Daunte's shortcomings... I just wonder at how quickly the "consensus" has seemingly changed. Just a few months ago (even after the last Superbowl) the insertion of Brady into the conversation was a novelty idea - a way to get in a "dig" that maybe intangibes count more than stats. Then, the battle of Peyton v. Daunte raged on, with something like a 70/30 split for Peyton as #1, but a sizable number of people arguing that Daunte deserved either the top spot, or perhaps a dead heat for it... but defending mightily the notion that he was the guy to be on the other side of that poll.

Now, a few months but only three real games later, Culpepper is suddenly relegated to this obvious second-tier status? Where are all these backers who, a very short time ago, were so strenuously arguing that Culpepper was #1a on this list, at the very least?

I for one, was arguing back then that a fairer contest would be Manning vs. "anyone else," and that Culpepper didn't merit such special consideration.

The answer probably lies somewhere in albion's thread yesterday about making fantasy football more real. This season, Daunte isn't just frustrating Viking fans, he's frustrating fantasy owners.

But, I think a 24-27 record over the last three-plus seasons is enough to convince me he might not belong in the top three.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Who reports posts?

A post reporter.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by gottimd

A ninny.

agreed

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

And I thought we had your personal guarantee on this.

heh

hyperbole, man, don't you get it????

I am not late to this party; I have thought Daunte was middle of the pack at best for 2 years now.

[gottimd]

Hahahaha, I called someone a ninny.

[rexallllsc]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The Daunte voters have clearly never seen the man play.

No kidding. The guy is not that good.

I also think the list goes Brady, Manning, then everyone else. Not sold on McNabb. Seems to be lights out one game, and bad the next. I'm big on Drew Brees.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Who reports posts?

Lots of people, actually. I've never kept records, but I'd imagine that I only act on around 25-40% of the posts that get reported. You'd be surprised at how sensitive or vindictive (take your pick) some people around here can be.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Lots of people, actually. I've never kept records, but I'd imagine that I only act on around 25-40% of the posts that get reported. You'd be surprised at how sensitive or vindictive (take your pick) some people around here can be.

ninnys

SkyDog, he looked at me funny and called me a baboon. Waaaaaaaaaaa.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

ninnys

SkyDog, he looked at me funny and called me a baboon. Waaaaaaaaaaa.

You'd be surprised, I'm sure.

Actually, upon further thought, I'd imagine that in the last 3-4 weeks, that 25-40% number is more like 5-20%. We have one guy in particular who keeps reporting really petty stuff. He's getting pretty close to getting publicly called out on it, actually.

[gottimd]

Someone is gonna be publicly called a ninny?

[rkmsuf]

A good public flogging is always a crowd pleaser.

I've trademarked Ninny(tm) as a petty post reporter.

[QuikSand]

*looks at rkmsuf funny*

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Someone is gonna be publicly called a ninny?

I think that their nickname should be changed to Ninny.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

He's getting pretty close to getting publicly called out on it, actually.

Look, SkyDog -- I said I was sorry!