Montana - Marino

[Kodos]

It is 1985. Pete Rozelle has gone insane and decreed that the NFL is getting reshuffled. You're building a team from scratch, and you want to draft a QB in the next slot. Marino and Montana are both available. Your coach is Wayne Fontes. You've already picked up a decent line and some solid but unspectacular receivers, but your defense looks to be quite average.

[Raiders Army]

Is Barry Sanders my RB?

[DanGarion]

Come on MONTANA. And if it's Montana I take Craig over Sanders, if it's Marino I take Sanders.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Is Barry Sanders my RB?

No. You have a back who will get you 3.0 to 3.5 yards on average.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Kodos

No. You have a back who will get you 3.0 to 3.5 yards on average.

Whats his name?

[Kodos]

Karim Abdul Jabbar.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Kodos

No. You have a back who will get you 3.0 to 3.5 yards on average.

What difference does it make? Marino won't let you run the ball anyway.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

What difference does it make? Marino won't let you run the ball anyway.

Name one Miami tailback from Marino's entire career that you would want to carry the ball instead of having Marino throw it.

[Raiders Army]

I'd take Montana and trade for Steve Young, since that was his rookie year.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Name one Miami tailback from Marino's entire career that you would want to carry the ball instead of having Marino throw it.

Considering the level of success Miami attained I would have suggested a more rigorous approach at balance. Somebody, somewhere over there surely could have figured out a way to get a decent back. Pre cap, chance to play with Marino? Guys would be jumping at the chance.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Wow that's tough.

Marino.

Why? Because the offense will be the Chuck & Duck, no matter who the QB is. Montana would have been the worst QB in the league if he had to run the Run-'n-Shoot. Marino could have done it, even with changing coordinators every year or two to try to get a running game going. Eventually, after years of inconsistancy, with Detroit fans screaming for the backup QB, Scott Mitchell would have ascended to the starting position with Marino heading off to lead his hometown Steelers to two Super Bowl victories in a row to end his career, holding off Elway along the way...

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

What difference does it make? Marino won't let you run the ball anyway.

Of course that's BS. Marino would've loved a 1,000 yard back. They actually tried it several times. Lorenzo Hampton. Sammie Smith. Mark Higgs. Kareem Abdul Jabbar. The fact that Bernie Parmalee was the best feature back Marino ever had is pretty sad.

Also FWIW, Bill Walsh himself said Marino was better than Montana.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Considering the level of success Miami attained I would have suggested a more rigorous approach at balance. Somebody, somewhere over there surely could have figured out a way to get a decent back. Pre cap, chance to play with Marino? Guys would be jumping at the chance.

Marino can't be blamed for the front office not getting him a good back. I mean, the office tried, at least under Jimmmy Johson, to find one. But they failed miserably.

[rkmsuf]

I just never cared for Marino and his act. Always pointing fingers...ball would sail off target and it's always the receiver. He was the Kevin McHale of QBs.

He's another one that IMO wasn't a very good leader. I feel like his ego was too big for the team.

No question he was talented though.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Also FWIW, Bill Walsh himself said Marino was better than Montana.

Yeah, and where is Bill Walsh now?!!?!?!?


*niner fan*

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I just never cared for Marino and his act. Always pointing fingers...ball would sail off target and it's always the receiver. He was the Kevin McHale of QBs.

He's another one that IMO wasn't a very good leader. I feel like his ego was too big for the team.

No question he was talented though.

Not like anything has changed since he came on TV. Remember when (I think it was) Boomer said that Manning was just like Marino on TV last year? Remember the icy death stare Boomer got from Marino?

[Kodos]

Like you wouldn't be pissed if somebody brought up the biggest shortcoming in your Hall of Fame career (and one that gets brought up every time your career is mentioned)? C'mon. Boomer isn't fit to carry Marino's jock. Or Manning's.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I just never cared for Marino and his act. Always pointing fingers...ball would sail off target and it's always the receiver. He was the Kevin McHale of QBs.

He's another one that IMO wasn't a very good leader. I feel like his ego was too big for the team.

No question he was talented though.

Man I knew this thread would turn into some Marino bashing. But comments like these are made from people who either have a short memory or never really watched Marino play.

Marino was one of the most determined players with the game on the line. Ask the people who played with him if they thought he was a good leader. I guarantee you they'll tell a different story.

Thios bit about Marino's ego is pure BS. Marino cared more about winning than anything else. He wouldn't have gone out there for the last three years of his career for any other reason.

[Kodos]

Yep. People who think Marino cared more about stats than winning are just plain crazy. Do you think "the glare" was on his face because he was thinking about stats? The man was driven to win more than any player I have ever watched. And that's one of the main reasons why he is my favorite player of all time.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Man I knew this thread would turn into some Marino bashing. But comments like these are made from people who either have a short memory or never really watched Marino play.

Marino was one of the most determined players with the game on the line. Ask the people who played with him if they thought he was a good leader. I guarantee you they'll tell a different story.

Thios bit about Marino's ego is pure BS. Marino cared more about winning than anything else. He wouldn't have gone out there for the last three years of his career for any other reason.

So where are all these people. I never hear any of it. To me it looked like he cared about being the man, not necessarily a man on the team.

I wasn't in the locker room so I have no idea of the reality. I can only go from my perception from thousands of miles away on my couch.

[General Mike]

I'd take Elway. Than Marino, followed by Montana.

[AlexB]

Even as a Miami fan, I have to say Montana - won the big one. It's the one knock against Dan that you simply can't argue against. Yes, there's the lack of a running game/defense at the various stages, but you have to go with the man who's proved he can win the lot

[wishbone]

What difference does the QB make if Fontes is the coach? Your team will start 2-4 and finish with a 10-6 record every year regardless of your talent.

[pennywisesb]

Where is Vince when you need him? There's not a day that goes by that he doesn't dream of giving Montana a ball-washing.

[Warhammer]

Take a look at Montana's backfield in 81. He won the big one with no RB. Also in 85 Montana could still scramble.

[VPI97]

Voted Fouts

[MizzouRah]

Again, for me winning is key.

[saldana]

preface - huge niners fan, have been since 81, wear my montana jersey every sunday

vote - montana...numbers aside, joe delivered in the clutch every time it was asked of him, and he inspired the players around him to be confident and perform. i always thought marino yelled at his other players too much, and wasnt as much of a team guy as montana was. then add in the numbers and the only ones that matter are4...as in the number of super bowls Joe won, and 0...as in the number of interceptions thrown in those 4 games.

and as far as the running backs issue goes, wendell tyler was hardly tony dorsett or earl campbell, and he didnt even come into the league until after the first title. craig was only in his 2nd year for the 2nd, and he and tyler each only had about 60 yards apiece (craig was playing full back that season)

[tucker342]

Montana - the only good thing to come out of Notre Dame

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by saldana

preface - huge niners fan, have been since 81, wear my montana jersey every sunday

vote - montana...numbers aside, joe delivered in the clutch every time it was asked of him, and he inspired the players around him to be confident and perform. i always thought marino yelled at his other players too much, and wasnt as much of a team guy as montana was. then add in the numbers and the only ones that matter are4...as in the number of super bowls Joe won, and 0...as in the number of interceptions thrown in those 4 games.

I knew Vince had an alternate screen name!

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Take a look at Montana's backfield in 81. He won the big one with no RB. Also in 85 Montana could still scramble.

I think their defense was just a bit above average in 81.

[GreenMonster]

http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/Com...yluk092705.htm

This article about sums it up for me. Marino with Rice and Walsh would have been downright scary.

[larrymcg421]

I'll give you 1981 on Montana's backfield, but not the defense
(the damned secondary recorded 27 interceptions). And Uh, in 1984 Wendell Tyler had 1262 yards on 5.1 yards per carry. That's better than anything put up by a back over Marino's entire career.