Question on Wingers...

[JFiz]

I just need a real quick explanation on exactly where Wingers effect ratings.

I guess I'm just not sure, but if you play a winger 'normal', does that rating just go completely to your midfield rating? If you play a winger offensive, does that make it like 50% for midfield and 50% for attack? Defense 50/50 as well?

I'm just looking for facts. Defensive played winger does this, normal this, offensive this....

I'm going to go back to keeper training in a season or two and I was thinking I'll just play a 3-5-2 to hold the midfield. I won't have any middie trainees like the other 3-5-2ers in my division, so I should be able to win the midfield. Being that I'll have 2 wingers in that situation, I just need to figure out exactly how they are played and what they impact. I guess I'm a winger noob heh.

Thanks in advance!

[Chubby]

NEVER play a winger normal.

Winger offensive gives the same MF boost as normal but you get a wing attack boost (and some central attack boost, varies based on passing skill)

Winger defensive if you REALLY need the defense boost on that wing.

Winger towards middle if you want a greater MF boost. Just use another IM here if you want to play TM.0

[MrBigglesworth]

A wing's contribution to your midfield rating does not change whether it is defensive, offensive, or normal. WTM however is just as effective as, or more effective than, a third IM in terms of midfield ratings.

Winger Offensive: uses lots of winger to impact wing attack, uses little defending to impact wing defense
Winger normal: uses average amount of winger to impact wing attack and some defending to impact wing defense.
Winger defensive: uses some winger to impact wing attack, and a good amount of defending to impact wing defense.

(passing also has an effect on the wing attack)

Sorry, I don't know the exact percentages (or the accepted %'s, anyway).

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Chubby

NEVER play a winger normal.

I hear this a lot, but I can think of situations where it would be beneficial to play a winger normal. For example, if your opponent plays his wingers and WB's offensive and therefore has a terrible wing defense but good wing attack, it would be beneficial to play a good wingback as a normal winger. That way you can get a decent attack, while still defending the wing.

[JFiz]

Cool, thanks guys. I appreciate the input. My winger knowledged just trippled heh.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I hear this a lot, but I can think of situations where it would be beneficial to play a winger normal. For example, if your opponent plays his wingers and WB's offensive and therefore has a terrible wing defense but good wing attack, it would be beneficial to play a good wingback as a normal winger. That way you can get a decent attack, while still defending the wing.

No, I stand by initial statement of never play a winger normal.

[MrBigglesworth]

Originally Posted by Chubby

No, I stand by initial statement of never play a winger normal.

You don't think that would be beneficial in that circumstance? Why not?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

You don't think that would be beneficial in that circumstance? Why not?

there;s too much downside to playing them normal. there's not enough boost to either defense or attack by playing them normal. you end up wasting both their O and D with a normal order.

[Alf]

I disagree here Chubby

[JFiz]

There must be some benefit to 'normal' winger I would think. So offensive you get more Attack, deffensive more Defense, towards middle more Midfield... perhaps normal just gives a little to all?

[FrogMan]

Originally Posted by JFiz

There must be some benefit to 'normal' winger I would think. So offensive you get more Attack, deffensive more Defense, towards middle more Midfield... perhaps normal just gives a little to all?

There are upsides but also downsides to all special orders given to a winger. Normal has no upside, but no downside...

Offensive: more winger, less defense, same playmaking
Defensive: more defense, less winger, same playmaking
Toward middle: more playmaking, less winger, same defense
normal: no boost, no loss in any skill...

Hope this helps...

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, and my quick summary is the reason why, in my opinion, you should play your "real" wingers offensive all the time. I'm talking about a player with real good winger skill, not a player who's solid winger/solid defender, more like a player who's formidabl+ winger/passable or less defender. Playing him offensive boost his main skill, the one in which he is supposed to be the best and the one with which he has the most impact on your team's ratings. To me, that's a no brainer...

Toward middle is maybe the other possibility, but only because HT still puts a lot of importance on midfield. Defensive makes no sense at all to me because I've yet to see that HT thinks defense is worth more or at least as much as offense...

FM

[JFiz]

If you are playing, say a Formidable-Brilliant Winger, what lvl of Playmaking should they have to make it worth while playing towards middle? Or does it not really matter what lvl the playmaking is, if you want the middie boost, just play towards middle?

I have 1 winger offensive now and when I go 3-5-2 Im just trying to figure out how to play the other one and I guess what secondaries to buy.

[FrogMan]

people who play a winger toward middle often plug in a real middie in there with about no winger. A brilliant winger with whatever playmaking would be a waste to be played toward middle imo, unless he happens to be a beast and also has brilliant playmaking

My winger toward middle is a brilliant playmaker/solid winger that I just picked up to be my last winger trainee, but I also often play him offensive...

FM

[JFiz]

So basically, playing a 3-5-2, you can have a guy with basically Midfielder skills, played towards middle, and they pretty much give a boost like having 4 midfielders? Like a bril PM, passable winger, towards middle winger, and he will be another midfielder basically?

Thats interesting.

[FrogMan]

well, he won't bring as much as even your third midfielder so he's indeed not the equivalent as a 4th middie, but yeah that's the gist of it. If you're giving up the side attack to get a midfield boost, might as well do it with some heavy playmaking artillery...

FM

[JFiz]

I had no idea you could do that... for some reason, I envisioned a Winger to middle as still like 80% a winger, but only a bit more to middle. I guess I figured that guy would be a whatever winger with just higher playmaking. I had no idea the winging skill was that worthless, seems a bit off I guess.

[FrogMan]

it's not really that it's worthless, but more in what you gain. The goal is often to gain midfield, which to me is still pretty important in HT. When you want to do that, you can do it with a middie playing toward middle.

Note that this may change in week 8 when the importance of strikers to side attackes will be diminished and the importance of wingers will be potentially augmented...

FM

[JFiz]

So if you are a midfielder trainer and play 3-5-2, does that mean that most of the time the players you play in your wing slot are really just midfielder trainees?

When you train playmaking, and you play two wingers Towards Middle, do they get 100% of the PM training just like the actual midfielders?

[FrogMan]

when I started playing, I kind of gave up on the playmaking training my starting team wingers were receiving so I bought two cheap older dudes with high wing and only reasonable playmaking. The other two winger slots, I went with a rotation, but I'm weird like that.

A winger played toward middle is still a winger, so he still only receives 50% playmaking training.

FM

[JFiz]

Ahhh 50%, got it. Thanks.