Red River Shootout!

Cuckoo · 10-03-2005, 10:52 AM

And while I know this year doesn't carry near the same weight given OU's poor start, it's still OU/Texas. The streak is 5 straight, and all the pressure is on Texas. That said, I think the Longhorns are clearly the better team. Of course, nobody knows what's going to happen in rivalry games.

What do you think? Does OU even have a chance in this one?

albionmoonlight · 10-03-2005, 11:14 AM

Rivalry games generally can go either way. If Texas falls behind early, they could start to panic and either push too hard or tighten up. Oklahoma also has nothing to lose in this game and they have the better gameday coach.

I would not put money on either team to win. Texas has a huge edge in talent, but Oklahoma is coming into this game from a much better position viz a viz "intangibles."

MalcPow · 10-03-2005, 11:23 AM

Even though Brent Musburger taught me early this year that Vince Young is seven feet tall and runs a 3.9 forty, I still doubt his abilities. I doubt the Sooners a little more maybe, but still, OU can win. The trout is also telling me not only will we see OU over Texas, but ND over SC this weekend.

MikeVick7 · 10-03-2005, 11:32 AM

The fact that OU has:

- A first-year QB who has one TD pass this year

- AP is questionable with an ankle sprain

- They have a ton of freshman starters now

- And an inconsistent defense

and this game is still questionable shows you how truely great Mack Brown is as a coach.

sooner333 · 10-03-2005, 11:36 AM

Texas is suck.

sachmo71 · 10-03-2005, 11:46 AM

hope this isn't the last one at the Cottonbowl.

Cuckoo · 10-03-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

hope this isn't the last one at the Cottonbowl.

I think they'll be there for the next couple of years (contracted through 2007 if I'm not mistaken), but after that, it's likely gone. It's too bad, in my opinion, as I'm big on tradition. But the place is falling apart according to the schools, and Dallas won't pay the money to fix it up.

VPI97 · 10-03-2005, 01:22 PM

Boomer Sooner!

cartman · 10-03-2005, 02:25 PM

UT in a rout. This is not the "soft" Texas team of the past. They have been behind in games many times, and they just don't panic anymore. The only reason anyone at all is giving OU a chance is because of the current 5 game OU win streak, and it is a rivalry game.

But remember, Mack Brown has beaten OU twice, one of them was even a Bob Stoops coached team. People seem to think he has never beaten them, when that is not the case.

cartman · 10-03-2005, 02:38 PM

Dola,

Also, the game has a new name. Some of the sponsors didn't like the term "Shootout", so now it is the "Red River Showdown".

Cuckoo · 10-03-2005, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Dola,

Also, the game has a new name. Some of the sponsors didn't like the term "Shootout", so now it is the "Red River Showdown".

Yeah, I refuse to call it that. As for your feelings on the game, I'm not sure I agree (here's where everyone says "Yeah, yeah, biased Sooner fan.").

Regardless of my obvious allegiances, I have watched all of OU's games along with a couple Texas games so I feel like I can be somewhat objective. I agree with you that Texas is not "soft." In fact, I'm not sure if I ever would have called them that. But this year's version is certainly not soft.

They are, however, prone to some mistakes. Vince Young is an amazing athlete and a playmaker, but he has also made some really poor plays. In the first half of the Missouri game, Texas looked sloppy. Now, I know very well that OU has looked sloppy in nearly every half of every game so you needn't point that out. My point, however, is that I don't see Texas running away with this one.

Why? Well, in my humble opinion, it's because of the very thing you discount - the rivalry. You never know how players will react in rivalry games. Often, they push. If that's the case with Young (the monkey on his back and the expectations for their season), I believe that he will make mistakes. That in itself will keep OU in the game.

I don't disagree with those who say Texas has more talent. I think Texas right now easily has the more talented players. OU's kids could end up being better in a few years, but at this point it's no contest.

But honestly, that often means very little. Last year, I thought OU was easily the more talented team and the game was tight. A couple years ago, I thought the teams were dead even, and OU blew them out. Talent isn't always the best indication of the final result.

Who knows what'll happen? I certainly wouldn't put any money on it. But don't discount what the rivalry can mean, especially for two teams who have not always looked pretty this year.

cthomer5000 · 10-03-2005, 03:10 PM

I think Texas will beat them handily, but the rivalry factor probably gives OU at 25-40% chance to pull this one off even if severely outmanned.

tucker342 · 10-03-2005, 03:24 PM

Texas SHOULD crush OU, but there is one reason why this will be a close game, Mack Brown. However, I still think Texas will pull out the win.

st.cronin · 10-03-2005, 07:51 PM

Having watched both teams play this year, I would be absolutely shocked if Texas didn't win by at least 2 touchdowns.

Airhog · 10-03-2005, 11:01 PM

Im surprised that IMTG hasn't shown up yet talking about mack brown star player is the second coming of christ

kingnebwsu · 10-04-2005, 12:00 AM

I'll be cheering for Texas, to help validate OSU's loss to them this season.

sachmo71 · 10-04-2005, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

I think they'll be there for the next couple of years (contracted through 2007 if I'm not mistaken), but after that, it's likely gone. It's too bad, in my opinion, as I'm big on tradition. But the place is falling apart according to the schools, and Dallas won't pay the money to fix it up.

Dallas city council says that will refurbish the stadium if both schools commit to keeping the Shootout in Dallas. Sounds like a catch-22 to me.

Oh, and my prediction? Mack Brown, the pussy, screws this one up by alternating QBs because he wants his young guy to get some trigger time. OU pulls it out 30-21.

Fuck Mack Brown.

IMetTrentGreen · 10-04-2005, 03:34 PM

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Im surprised that IMTG hasn't shown up yet talking about mack brown star player is the second coming of christ

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10

MikeVick7 · 10-04-2005, 03:50 PM

Alternating QB's? What am I missing here?

sachmo71 · 10-04-2005, 03:51 PM

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Alternating QB's? What am I missing here?

Apparently, the Major and the Simms.

digamma · 10-04-2005, 04:07 PM

I don't see how OU moves the ball on Texas. Texas can sell out to stop Peterson "all day." I just don't see Bomar and the receivers stepping up enough to put enough points on the board to win....but anything can happen in a rivalry game, and I think OU's defensive front is good enough to keep it close.

MrBug708 · 10-04-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10

Is your offense that bad?

MikeVick7 · 10-04-2005, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Apparently, the Major and the Simms.

Thought you were talking this year. Missed the joke there. My bad.

duckman · 10-04-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10

You're missing a linking verb, professor.

Also, the shift key is your friend.

Airhog · 10-04-2005, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IMetTrentGreen

i surprised you haven't shown up to your adult education english course yet.

texas wins 20-10

One thing we can both agree on I believe, both of our posts sucked

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 04:31 AM

Fans and pundits alike are predicting a blowout.

Texas has scored a grand total of 13 points in this game over the past two years. Before I started talking about a blowout, I would be more concerned about Texas even scoring in this game.

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

But remember, Mack Brown has beaten OU twice, one of them was even a Bob Stoops coached team. People seem to think he has never beaten them, when that is not the case.

Yes, in 1999, Stoops' first season. The team he inherited from John Blake was in shambles. Texas was a big favorite in that game, but OU jumped out to a 17-0 lead and dominated the game early. The Longhorns made a frantic comeback and won 38-28 in the 4th quarter.

With that game in mind, the really funny part is that next year OU beat Texas 63-14, and Mack Brown said that he might have overlooked OU.

cartman · 10-08-2005, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Yes, in 1999, Stoops' first season. The team he inherited from John Blake was in shambles. Texas was a big favorite in that game, but OU jumped out to a 17-0 lead and dominated the game early. The Longhorns made a frantic comeback and won 38-28 in the 4th quarter.

With that game in mind, the really funny part is that next year OU beat Texas 63-14, and Mack Brown said that he might have overlooked OU.

And '99 was Mack's 2nd season at Texas. OU came back in the 4th quarter to beat Texas in 2002, does that make it any less of a win for them?

I guess I missed the point you were trying to make here.

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

And '99 was Mack's 2nd season at Texas. OU came back in the 4th quarter to beat Texas in 2002, does that make it any less of a win for them?

I guess I missed the point you were trying to make here.

If you're trying to compare the state of the Texas football team in Brown's second season with what Stoops inherited in his first season, it's not even close. OU had been a perennial loser for most of the 90's when Stoops took over in 1999. Texas was a huge favorite in that game.

As far as 2002, Texas was a 5 point favorite in that game. They were supposed to win.

cartman · 10-08-2005, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

If you're trying to compare the state of the Texas football team in Brown's second season with what Stoops inherited in his first season, it's not even close. OU had been a perennial loser for most of the 90's when Stoops took over in 1999. Texas was a huge favorite in that game.

I wasn't making any comparisons. I was just stating the fact that Mack Brown has won two games as coach of the Longhorns against the Sooners, and in one of the games Bob Stoops was the coach of the Sooners.

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I wasn't making any comparisons. I was just stating the fact that Mack Brown has won two games as coach of the Longhorns against the Sooners, and in one of the games Bob Stoops was the coach of the Sooners.

You're the one who asked me what point I was trying to make.

Yeah, in 1999, Goliath gets credit for coming from 17 points down and beating David.

cartman · 10-08-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

You're the one who asked me what point I was trying to make.

Yeah, in 1999, Goliath gets credit for coming from 17 points down and beating David.

You read too much into what I originally wrote. A lot of people are suprised to hear that Mack Brown has won a game at all against OU, much less an OU team coached by Bob Stoops. That is what I wrote in my original post, and that was the only point I was trying to address. You were the one who added the piece about the point spread, to somehow make a win in the books appear to not really be a win.

But to placate you, I would say yes, they should get credit. Any time a team comes from 17 down to win by 10, that is a great effort. Especially in a rival game.

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 08:31 AM

1998: OU 5-6 (John Blake)
1998: Texas 9-3 (Mack Brown)

Even though they lost, the fact that Oklahoma was even ahead by 17 points in the 1999 game speaks volumes about the relative abilities of Stoops and Brown.

cartman · 10-08-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

1998: OU 5-6 (John Blake)
1998: Texas 9-3 (Mack Brown)

Even though they lost, the fact that Oklahoma was even ahead by 17 points in the 1999 game speaks volumes about the relative abilities of Stoops and Brown.

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that only the final score mattered in a football game.

Should the Tulsa coach get credit for keeping the game this year against OU close until halftime?

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that only the final score mattered in a football game.

Should the Tulsa coach get credit for keeping the game this year against OU close until halftime?

Absolutely. In fact, he should get a lot of credit for the entire game. He severely outcoached Bob Stoops in that game.

Huckleberry · 10-08-2005, 09:01 AM

Funny how Vic is neglecting the fact that 1999 Texas finished 9-5 and 1999 Oklahoma finished 7-5. So take that game out and Texas was 8-5 and Oklahoma was 7-4.

Sounds like two fairly even teams and one coach beat the other. Get over it. It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years.

TroyF · 10-08-2005, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Funny how Vic is neglecting the fact that 1999 Texas finished 9-5 and 1999 Oklahoma finished 7-5. So take that game out and Texas was 8-5 and Oklahoma was 7-4.

Sounds like two fairly even teams and one coach beat the other. Get over it. It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years.

No, actually that would make Vic's point hold even more true. The two teams were not equal that year. Texas has better talent all across the board. (not nearly the same talent as they have now, but they were still more talented than that OU squad) The fact the two records were nearly identical would suggest the coach with the lesser talent not only outcoached the other guy in that game, but the year as a whole as well.

This is it for Brown. It's all set up for him. OU is down. Nobody else in the Big12 can even hope to compete with this Texas team. The championship game against the North should be a 30 point blowout. There are no excuses this year. If he can't beat OU now and carry that through and win a conference title, I'm not sure how he'll ever do it.

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years.

Not quite as silly and odd as Mack Brown saying that they overlooked Oklahoma in 2000, given what happened in the 1999 game.

Huckleberry · 10-08-2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TroyF

No, actually that would make Vic's point hold even more true. The two teams were not equal that year. Texas has better talent all across the board. (not nearly the same talent as they have now, but they were still more talented than that OU squad) The fact the two records were nearly identical would suggest the coach with the lesser talent not only outcoached the other guy in that game, but the year as a whole as well.

Preposterous. OU was very talented. At least as talented as Texas. John Blake was a hell of a recruiter, but he was perhaps the most incompetent buffoon I've ever seen at everything else involved with being a head coach. The next week, I think, Oklahoma beat Texas A&M 51-6. They had plenty of good players. Texas had Kwame Cavil as our "dangerous" receiver. Hodges Mitchell was our back. Our defense was full of below-average talent. This viewpoint is fairly common now, but it's revisionist history at best.

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Originally Posted by TroyF

This is it for Brown. It's all set up for him. OU is down. Nobody else in the Big12 can even hope to compete with this Texas team. The championship game against the North should be a 30 point blowout. There are no excuses this year. If he can't beat OU now and carry that through and win a conference title, I'm not sure how he'll ever do it.

I don't disagree with that.

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Not quite as silly and odd as Mack Brown saying that they overlooked Oklahoma in 2000, given what happened in the 1999 game.

Which might help you out on this thread if you were arguing with Mack Brown. But you're not. I didn't say that, I only called you out on your ridiculous take. Brown's historical jackassery is not something I have to answer for.

Vegas Vic · 10-08-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

I didn't say that, I only called you out on your ridiculous take. Brown's historical jackassery is not something I have to answer for.

Man, these Horns fans are wound tighter than a drum today.

Here's hoping for a clean, injury free game on both sides.

Cuckoo · 10-08-2005, 10:05 AM

You know, I've been thinking about this the past couple of days, and I've come to a conclusion. Everyone says this is a no-win situation for Texas. And I agree with them. If Texas wins, they were supposed to (even a blowout). If Texas loses, they blew this huge opportunity and must be cursed.

But I've come to believe that it's a no-win situation for OU as well. If OU loses, well they lost, and this season becomes even worse than before. Of course they are supposed to lose, but how many more of these "Look how far OU has fallen" articles are we going to see?

However, if somehow OU pulls off a victory in this game, it likely won't ever be because OU played well or actually has some young talent or good coaching. It will be because of the "psychological" element or because Mack Brown is "cursed" or because Texas "gave it away."

It's going to be an interesting game, but I'm already seeing the postgame write-ups and the spin they'll take either way.

cthomer5000 · 10-08-2005, 12:13 PM

Texas is moving the ball very well on this opening drive.

Tasan · 10-08-2005, 12:16 PM

Boy I like listening to the game on TV. Nice losing the video and all. Its like 1930 all over again.

LoneStarGirl · 10-08-2005, 12:22 PM

I know I am in Mississippi and all but why the HELL is ABC showing Florida vs Mississippi State instead of the UT OU game??? I thought this was nationally televised? And no matter what most people think Mississippi is STILL in the nation. This is bullshit, I am suing.

wbatl1 · 10-08-2005, 12:47 PM

Yeah, in ATL we don't have the game on telivision. We aren't even watching SEC football.

TroyF · 10-08-2005, 12:48 PM

That series right there is a perfect showing of how horrific Mack Brown is with strategy. OU gets a holding penalty on them. It'd push the ball back to the 45 yard line and bring up 3rd and 18. OU hasn't show the ability to have a ten yard gain, much less an 18 yard gain. The QB hasn't completed a pass yet.

So do you take the penalty and force OU out of FG range or do you not take it and give away three points? Please don't tell me about the OU's kicker and his long of 40 or whatever. A 52 yard kick is a makeable kick. Lets say he can hit that kick 25% of the time. Is OU going to pick up 10 yards on 3rd and 18 25% of the time? Hell no.

That was an idiotic decision by Brown. You don't give away three points in a game like this.

Texas has three fumbles now. They've been lucky in the fact they've only lost one and it only led to three points. They'll still likely win this game and win it easily. But moronic coaching decisions like that will cost you in the long term.

TroyF · 10-08-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I know I am in Mississippi and all but why the HELL is ABC showing Florida vs Mississippi State instead of the UT OU game??? I thought this was nationally televised? And no matter what most people think Mississippi is STILL in the nation. This is bullshit, I am suing.

Only night games are truly national for ABC. (Friday after Thanksgiving games as well) Everything else is regional. You get Mississippi State because, well, you're in Mississippi. I'm not an attorney, but I'd strongly advise against a lawsuit. You have zero chance at winning it.

IMetTrentGreen · 10-08-2005, 01:05 PM

texas fumbles half a dozen times in every game. shit they had three turnovers in a row in their own territory against osu. ain't no thang

btw, somebody needs to do another 'best player you've never heard of' thread, because i need to nominate jamaal charles. my last one, a mr. vince young, turned out ok

IMetTrentGreen · 10-08-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuckoo

You know, I've been thinking about this the past couple of days, and I've come to a conclusion. Everyone says this is a no-win situation for Texas. And I agree with them. If Texas wins, they were supposed to (even a blowout). If Texas loses, they blew this huge opportunity and must be cursed.

agreed, especially with peterson out (even though ou's offense is better without him, but don't tell anyone because they'll think you're crazy. but, you force feed an overrated superstar, instead of take whats there, you won't move the ball very well)

TroyF · 10-08-2005, 01:29 PM

Good lord, what a horrible call. It's either holding or no call, period. A five year old would understand the difference.

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Absolutely zero. The streak ends here.	11	14.47%
Not much. It'd take a miracle for the Sooners.	28	36.84%
Pretty solid. It'll be a game, but OU can definitely win.	27	35.53%
It's a sure thing. Texas just can't beat OU.	4	5.26%
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10-03-2005, 11:23 AM	#3
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	Even though Brent Musburger taught me early this year that Vince Young is seven feet tall and runs a 3.9 forty, I still doubt his abilities. I doubt the Sooners a little more maybe, but still, OU can win. The trout is also telling me not only will we see OU over Texas, but ND over SC this weekend. Last edited by MalcPow : 10-03-2005 at 11:24 AM.

10-03-2005, 11:32 AM	#4
MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	The fact that OU has: - A first-year QB who has one TD pass this year - AP is questionable with an ankle sprain - They have a ton of freshman starters now - And an inconsistent defense and this game is still questionable shows you how truely great Mack Brown is as a coach. __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

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VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	Boomer Sooner! __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

10-03-2005, 02:25 PM	#9
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	UT in a rout. This is not the "soft" Texas team of the past. They have been behind in games many times, and they just don't panic anymore. The only reason anyone at all is giving OU a chance is because of the current 5 game OU win streak, and it is a rivalry game. But remember, Mack Brown has beaten OU twice, one of them was even a Bob Stoops coached team. People seem to think he has never beaten them, when that is not the case. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-03-2005, 11:14 AM	#2
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Rivalry games generally can go either way. If Texas falls behind early, they could start to panic and either push too hard or tighten up. Oklahoma also has nothing to lose in this game and they have the better gameday coach. I would not put money on either team to win. Texas has a huge edge in talent, but Oklahoma is coming into this game from a much better position viz a viz "intangibles."

10-03-2005, 11:36 AM	#5
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Texas is suck.

10-03-2005, 11:46 AM	#6
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	hope this isn't the last one at the Cottonbowl.

10-03-2005, 02:38 PM	#10
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Dola, Also, the game has a new name. Some of the sponsors didn't like the term "Shootout", so now it is the "Red River Showdown". __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

10-03-2005, 03:24 PM	#13
tucker342 Pro Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Iowa City, IA	Texas SHOULD crush OU, but there is one reason why this will be a close game, Mack Brown. However, I still think Texas will pull out the win.

10-03-2005, 07:51 PM	#14
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Having watched both teams play this year, I would be absolutely shocked if Texas didn't win by at least 2 touchdowns.

10-03-2005, 11:01 PM	#15
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	Im surprised that IMTG hasn't shown up yet talking about mack brown star player is the second coming of christ __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

10-04-2005, 12:00 AM	#16
kingnebwsu College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ohio	I'll be cheering for Texas, to help validate OSU's loss to them this season.

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MikeVick7 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ron, Mexico	Alternating QB's? What am I missing here? __________________ Hattrick - Seattle Reign (224367)

10-04-2005, 04:07 PM	#21
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I don't see how OU moves the ball on Texas. Texas can sell out to stop Peterson "all day." I just don't see Bomar and the receivers stepping up enough to put enough points on the board to win....but anything can happen in a rivalry game, and I think OU's defensive front is good enough to keep it close.

10-08-2005, 04:31 AM	#26
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	Fans and pundits alike are predicting a blowout. Texas has scored a grand total of 13 points in this game over the past two years. Before I started talking about a blowout, I would be more concerned about Texas even scoring in this game.

10-08-2005, 08:31 AM	#33
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	1998: OU 5-6 (John Blake) 1998: Texas 9-3 (Mack Brown) Even though they lost, the fact that Oklahoma was even ahead by 17 points in the 1999 game speaks volumes about the relative abilities of Stoops and Brown.

10-08-2005, 09:01 AM	#36
Huckleberry College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001	Funny how Vic is neglecting the fact that 1999 Texas finished 9-5 and 1999 Oklahoma finished 7-5. So take that game out and Texas was 8-5 and Oklahoma was 7-4. Sounds like two fairly even teams and one coach beat the other. Get over it. It's both silly and odd that an Oklahoma fan would even find it necessary to argue about the 1999 game after the last 5 years. __________________ The one thing all your failed relationships have in common is you. The Barking Carnival (Longhorn-centered sports blog) College Football Adjusted Stats and Ratings Last edited by Huckleberry : 10-08-2005 at 09:02 AM.

10-08-2005, 10:05 AM	#41
Cuckoo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmond, OK	You know, I've been thinking about this the past couple of days, and I've come to a conclusion. Everyone says this is a no-win situation for Texas. And I agree with them. If Texas wins, they were supposed to (even a blowout). If Texas loses, they blew this huge opportunity and must be cursed. But I've come to believe that it's a no-win situation for OU as well. If OU loses, well they lost, and this season becomes even worse than before. Of course they are supposed to lose, but how many more of these "Look how far OU has fallen" articles are we going to see? However, if somehow OU pulls off a victory in this game, it likely won't ever be because OU played well or actually has some young talent or good coaching. It will be because of the "psychological" element or because Mack Brown is "cursed" or because Texas "gave it away." It's going to be an interesting game, but I'm already seeing the postgame write-ups and the spin they'll take either way. __________________ Commissioner - North American Football League Dallas Cowboys GM

10-08-2005, 12:16 PM	#43
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	Boy I like listening to the game on TV. Nice losing the video and all. Its like 1930 all over again. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

10-08-2005, 12:22 PM	#44
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I know I am in Mississippi and all but why the HELL is ABC showing Florida vs Mississippi State instead of the UT OU game??? I thought this was nationally televised? And no matter what most people think Mississippi is STILL in the nation. This is bullshit, I am suing.

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wbatl1 High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2003	Yeah, in ATL we don't have the game on telivision. We aren't even watching SEC football. __________________ wbatl1

10-08-2005, 12:48 PM	#46
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	That series right there is a perfect showing of how horrific Mack Brown is with strategy. OU gets a holding penalty on them. It'd push the ball back to the 45 yard line and bring up 3rd and 18. OU hasn't show the ability to have a ten yard gain, much less an 18 yard gain. The QB hasn't completed a pass yet. So do you take the penalty and force OU out of FG range or do you not take it and give away three points? Please don't tell me about the OU's kicker and his long of 40 or whatever. A 52 yard kick is a makeable kick. Lets say he can hit that kick 25% of the time. Is OU going to pick up 10 yards on 3rd and 18 25% of the time? Hell no. That was an idiotic decision by Brown. You don't give away three points in a game like this. Texas has three fumbles now. They've been lucky in the fact they've only lost one and it only led to three points. They'll still likely win this game and win it easily. But moronic coaching decisions like that will cost you in the long term.

10-08-2005, 01:05 PM	#48
IMetTrentGreen College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Austin, Texas	texas fumbles half a dozen times in every game. shit they had three turnovers in a row in their own territory against osu. ain't no thang btw, somebody needs to do another 'best player you've never heard of' thread, because i need to nominate jamaal charles. my last one, a mr. vince young, turned out ok

10-08-2005, 01:29 PM	#50
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Good lord, what a horrible call. It's either holding or no call, period. A five year old would understand the difference.

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