Warhammer 40k: Winter Assault

Warhammer · 10-10-2005, 11:10 PM

Is this any good? Is the original game worth getting?

hukarez · 10-10-2005, 11:14 PM

The original game's been fun -- I have to say, it was the first RTS that I actually 'finished'. I haven't gotten around to getting the expansion pack that you mentioned yet, but I'm sure I'll pick it up down the line.

It's pretty unique; if you haven't played the original, you're missing out.

EDIT: If I'm not mistaken, you won't be able to play 'Winter Assault' without the actual original.

I've never played the tabletop version this game was modeled after, and delving into the series via this game was a welcomed treat. It was a bit 'short' -- I think 10 missions? It's been awhile since I passed it, but one of the things I admired about the game was when you were building a 'squad', it was akin to Kohan where one unit translates into 6-8 people or so. Plus, with each 'unit' within the squad, you can 'specialize' them via upgrades. Flamethrowers. Gatling guns. Rocket launchers.

The game was pretty fun, and I even considered going online to play in some LAN matches. Supposedly, this expansion campaign focuses a bit more on the standard Imperial Guard that was in the first campaign (albeit in the earlier missions).

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:24 PM

Got a link to the original game?

hukarez · 10-10-2005, 11:29 PM

Here's the first game:

http://www.dawnofwargame.com/

That "Winter Assault" is the expansion pack for the Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War game in the link above.

I think the original game runs for cheap nowadays, probably $30 or so.

RendeR · 10-10-2005, 11:34 PM

Ahh I remember this one...they don't have my Necrons in the game, not even mildly intrested in the space marines are muh fwends style that GW likes to sling around.

Marines are boring =) Gimme my undead robots!

hukarez · 10-10-2005, 11:47 PM

I'm not too familiar with the universe, really.

There's a gaming place here in town that I go to to check out some books, and it seems that Warhammer 40k is all the rage. This Pc iteration was my first exposure to the universe, so I'm not too terribly familiar with who's who -- at least, by what the game presents.

There were 4 races in the original -- the Orks, Space Marines, Chaos Marines, and some alien looking folks, can't quite recall the name...it's been months since I finished it.

Warhammer · 10-10-2005, 11:50 PM

I prefer GWs Blood Bowl universe, but that's just me... Have Wood Elf will pass.

CHEMICAL SOLDIER · 10-11-2005, 01:26 AM

Is winter Assault stand alone?

Ragone · 10-11-2005, 05:57 AM

no cs.. its an expansion pack

Warhammer · 10-11-2005, 07:57 AM

There is a gold edition out with the base game and the expansion I believe.

SirFozzie · 10-11-2005, 08:22 AM

Hey Warhammer, did you pick up the Blood Bowl fiction book (First in a trilogy!) that Black Industries put out?

Really fun stuff, differentiating the BB universe from standard Warhammer

sachmo71 · 10-11-2005, 08:39 AM

I read one of the Warhammer novels once...in the Gaunt's Ghosts series. Neat story, very interesting universe, but poor writing. SIGH...

Calis · 10-11-2005, 08:54 AM

Undead Robots?

Wtf have I been doing never checking out Warhammer all these years!

I saw this the other day also that looks really cool.

Warhammer: Mark of Chaos

Great looking shots there and gameplay sounds close to bordering on a Fantasy: Total War. One to keep an eye on. Namco is making it also, which seems pretty odd.

SirFozzie · 10-11-2005, 10:15 AM

The Undead Robots are the Necron: Think Terminators with Supertech.

They even have a "I'll be Back Rule", that when you kill them (except with some super weaponry), they get back up on the next turn on a roll of 4+ (and have a army leader that allows a re-roll if they're within a certain distance of the fallen Necron)

Of course, if you reduce the army to a certain level, (1/3rd or 1/4th I believe), the rest of the army "phases out" and the Non-Necron player wins automatically.

Warhammer · 10-11-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Hey Warhammer, did you pick up the Blood Bowl fiction book (First in a trilogy!) that Black Industries put out?

Really fun stuff, differentiating the BB universe from standard Warhammer

No I didn't know there was one that came out. I might take a look at it if it is well written. I love the whole Blood Bowl schtick. Those "Did You Know..." things in the manual are priceless!

My only problem right now is figuring out a time to get any books read, between my TT BB league, my FOF leagues, and weekly gaming group, I don't have any time to get anything else done!

SirFozzie · 10-11-2005, 10:44 AM

They're done by Matt Forbeck. They're not as much focusing on in game action, but the world around it (with some game action).

First one, is imaginatively titled: Blood Bowl

The other two are currently titled: Dead Ball and Death Zone (IIRC)

sachmo71 · 10-11-2005, 01:11 PM

Ahhh...Blood Bowl books! I'm going to buy them.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-11-2005, 01:16 PM

Someone seriously needs to make a Blood Bowl sim. I know they tried to do something of the sort with "Chaos League", but that game seemed to fall short.

The game play itself should be turn-based, just like the board game, but with some great animation and atmosphere. Have the rest of the game be a career sim type of situation, draft, free agents, all of that stuff. The world is so rich and well-developed, it would be a shame not to take advantage of it.

I even liked that old "Blood Bowl" PC game.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-11-2005, 01:16 PM

I've been looking for a game that would be fun and run reasonably well on my laptop since I beat Dungeon Siege 2 (which was a fun game.) This game looks like a winner. I just picked it up and am looking forward to trying it out today.

Honolulu_Blue · 10-11-2005, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calis

Undead Robots?

Wtf have I been doing never checking out Warhammer all these years!

I saw this the other day also that looks really cool.

Warhammer: Mark of Chaos

Great looking shots there and gameplay sounds close to bordering on a Fantasy: Total War. One to keep an eye on. Namco is making it also, which seems pretty odd.

This looks pretty promising. I always felt like most of the Warhammer and Warhammer 40K games always fell just a little short of what they could be. This one seems to be a little closer to the mark.

SirFozzie · 10-11-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Someone seriously needs to make a Blood Bowl sim. I know they tried to do something of the sort with "Chaos League", but that game seemed to fall short.

The game play itself should be turn-based, just like the board game, but with some great animation and atmosphere. Have the rest of the game be a career sim type of situation, draft, free agents, all of that stuff. The world is so rich and well-developed, it would be a shame not to take advantage of it.

I even liked that old "Blood Bowl" PC game.

Honolulu, the best there is right now is the FUMBBL Java online client :/

Warhammer · 10-11-2005, 02:07 PM

The only problem with FUMBBL is people ducking other teams. Still, nothing beats good old fashioned Blood Bowl on the pitch, as long as I am not playing against Dwarves with my beloved Woodies.

SirFozzie · 10-11-2005, 02:10 PM

DWARVES SMASH!

Warhammer · 10-12-2005, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I've been looking for a game that would be fun and run reasonably well on my laptop since I beat Dungeon Siege 2 (which was a fun game.) This game looks like a winner. I just picked it up and am looking forward to trying it out today.

How's the game?

Mustang · 10-12-2005, 11:46 AM

The game is good but, very very short and it is limited in the # of races...

There is a 40k mod being done for the Battlefield 2 game but, I think right now it is only available to mod to the Vietnam battlefield game.. looks very promising though last I looked several weeks ago.

Oh.. and the 40k books are nothing short of horrific.. I read one and tried to read another but, I've never been so bored in all my life reading a book.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-12-2005, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warhammer

How's the game?

I have no idea how short it is (I've heard that complaint) but it is very good. I've completed the first 2 missions yesterday and had a blast playing both of them. I think on the default normal level it might be too easy, but I'm reserving judgment on that since many RTS games make the first few levels easy to help you get used to the controls. I love the versatility of the space marines, and I think the multiple weapon outfitting idea and the way they do squads are interesting and something I haven't really seen in previous RTS. If you like RTS games, I think this is a very good pick-up.

Eaglesfan27 · 10-12-2005, 12:23 PM

Dola -

If I read the expansion pack information correctly, it adds 2 different campaigns which at least double the length of the game (if not more.) So that might help with the shortness of the game as well.

10-10-2005, 11:14 PM	#2
hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	The original game's been fun -- I have to say, it was the first RTS that I actually 'finished'. I haven't gotten around to getting the expansion pack that you mentioned yet, but I'm sure I'll pick it up down the line. It's pretty unique; if you haven't played the original, you're missing out. EDIT: If I'm not mistaken, you won't be able to play 'Winter Assault' without the actual original. I've never played the tabletop version this game was modeled after, and delving into the series via this game was a welcomed treat. It was a bit 'short' -- I think 10 missions? It's been awhile since I passed it, but one of the things I admired about the game was when you were building a 'squad', it was akin to Kohan where one unit translates into 6-8 people or so. Plus, with each 'unit' within the squad, you can 'specialize' them via upgrades. Flamethrowers. Gatling guns. Rocket launchers. The game was pretty fun, and I even considered going online to play in some LAN matches. Supposedly, this expansion campaign focuses a bit more on the standard Imperial Guard that was in the first campaign (albeit in the earlier missions). __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter Last edited by hukarez : 10-10-2005 at 11:17 PM.

10-10-2005, 11:24 PM	#3
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Got a link to the original game? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-10-2005, 11:29 PM	#4
hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	Here's the first game: http://www.dawnofwargame.com/ That "Winter Assault" is the expansion pack for the Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War game in the link above. I think the original game runs for cheap nowadays, probably $30 or so. __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter

10-10-2005, 11:34 PM	#5
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Ahh I remember this one...they don't have my Necrons in the game, not even mildly intrested in the space marines are muh fwends style that GW likes to sling around. Marines are boring =) Gimme my undead robots! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-10-2005, 11:47 PM	#6
hukarez College Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chula Vista, CA	I'm not too familiar with the universe, really. There's a gaming place here in town that I go to to check out some books, and it seems that Warhammer 40k is all the rage. This Pc iteration was my first exposure to the universe, so I'm not too terribly familiar with who's who -- at least, by what the game presents. There were 4 races in the original -- the Orks, Space Marines, Chaos Marines, and some alien looking folks, can't quite recall the name...it's been months since I finished it. __________________ ...what we have here is a man who looks like Tarzan, but fights like Jane! My VG collection \| Xbox 360 Gamertag: ManThol \| PS3 Network ID: hukarez Doce Pares International - San Diego Council Filipino Martial Arts Digest tweet tweet twitter

10-10-2005, 11:50 PM	#7
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	I prefer GWs Blood Bowl universe, but that's just me... Have Wood Elf will pass.

10-11-2005, 01:26 AM	#8
CHEMICAL SOLDIER College Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Henderson, Nevada	Is winter Assault stand alone? __________________ Toujour Pret

10-11-2005, 05:57 AM	#9
Ragone Pro Rookie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, Mo	no cs.. its an expansion pack

10-11-2005, 07:57 AM	#10
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	There is a gold edition out with the base game and the expansion I believe.

10-11-2005, 08:22 AM	#11
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Hey Warhammer, did you pick up the Blood Bowl fiction book (First in a trilogy!) that Black Industries put out? Really fun stuff, differentiating the BB universe from standard Warhammer __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-11-2005, 08:39 AM	#12
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I read one of the Warhammer novels once...in the Gaunt's Ghosts series. Neat story, very interesting universe, but poor writing. SIGH...

10-11-2005, 08:54 AM	#13
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	Undead Robots? Wtf have I been doing never checking out Warhammer all these years! I saw this the other day also that looks really cool. Warhammer: Mark of Chaos Great looking shots there and gameplay sounds close to bordering on a Fantasy: Total War. One to keep an eye on. Namco is making it also, which seems pretty odd.

10-11-2005, 10:15 AM	#14
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	The Undead Robots are the Necron: Think Terminators with Supertech. They even have a "I'll be Back Rule", that when you kill them (except with some super weaponry), they get back up on the next turn on a roll of 4+ (and have a army leader that allows a re-roll if they're within a certain distance of the fallen Necron) Of course, if you reduce the army to a certain level, (1/3rd or 1/4th I believe), the rest of the army "phases out" and the Non-Necron player wins automatically. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-11-2005, 10:44 AM	#16
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	They're done by Matt Forbeck. They're not as much focusing on in game action, but the world around it (with some game action). First one, is imaginatively titled: Blood Bowl The other two are currently titled: Dead Ball and Death Zone (IIRC) __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-11-2005, 01:11 PM	#17
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Ahhh...Blood Bowl books! I'm going to buy them.

10-11-2005, 01:16 PM	#18
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Someone seriously needs to make a Blood Bowl sim. I know they tried to do something of the sort with "Chaos League", but that game seemed to fall short. The game play itself should be turn-based, just like the board game, but with some great animation and atmosphere. Have the rest of the game be a career sim type of situation, draft, free agents, all of that stuff. The world is so rich and well-developed, it would be a shame not to take advantage of it. I even liked that old "Blood Bowl" PC game. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

10-11-2005, 01:16 PM	#19
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I've been looking for a game that would be fun and run reasonably well on my laptop since I beat Dungeon Siege 2 (which was a fun game.) This game looks like a winner. I just picked it up and am looking forward to trying it out today. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

10-11-2005, 02:07 PM	#22
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	The only problem with FUMBBL is people ducking other teams. Still, nothing beats good old fashioned Blood Bowl on the pitch, as long as I am not playing against Dwarves with my beloved Woodies.

10-11-2005, 02:10 PM	#23
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	DWARVES SMASH! __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-12-2005, 11:46 AM	#25
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	The game is good but, very very short and it is limited in the # of races... There is a 40k mod being done for the Battlefield 2 game but, I think right now it is only available to mod to the Vietnam battlefield game.. looks very promising though last I looked several weeks ago. Oh.. and the 40k books are nothing short of horrific.. I read one and tried to read another but, I've never been so bored in all my life reading a book. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

10-12-2005, 12:23 PM	#27
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Dola - If I read the expansion pack information correctly, it adds 2 different campaigns which at least double the length of the game (if not more.) So that might help with the shortness of the game as well. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

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