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Old 10-20-2005, 12:47 PM   #1
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And so ends a 20 year love affair with my favorite band

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If CBS brings back its successful Rock Star: INXS for a second season, rumor has it the next band in line is California's Van Halen.

This summer's inaugural season was a ratings winner for CBS and a reputation enhancer for reality TV producer Mark Burnett -- and it gave INXS a new singer, a new hit single, an upcoming album and a world tour.

CBS has remained hush-hush on whether Rock Star will return next summer, but MTV reports if it does, look for Eddie and Alex Van Halen along with bassist Michael Anthony in the judges' chairs originally filed by INXS.

A band rep refused to comment on the report given to MTV by a source close to the show.

Van Halen certainly fits the mold -- a former rock 'n' roll powerhouse that has been floundering without a frontman since the departures of David Lee Roth, Sammy Hagar and Gary Cherone.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:50 PM   #2
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I think that last sentence might be a tad misleading. They were also floundering *with* Gary Cherone

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Old 10-20-2005, 12:51 PM   #3
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Oh good. We can see what a jerk Eddie is up close.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:55 PM   #5
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Hell, I say there should be an entire week of the show dedicated to DLR squabbling with Eddie. Give them nerf bats and just see where the show takes off

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Old 10-20-2005, 12:56 PM   #6
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I used to think the problem was DLR, but now I figure it must be Eddie.
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:58 PM   #7
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Dang...I'm so behind on this stuff. I thought Sammy Hagar had rejoined....obviously things didn't work out on the second time around though.

This trainwreck, albeit painful, should be interesting to watch.

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Old 10-20-2005, 12:59 PM   #8
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who is this cherone guy they speak of?
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:11 PM   #9
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I thought I had heard that Sammy was back...Strange
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:12 PM   #10
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Gary Cherone (not sure if I spelled that right) was their front man after Sammy left the first time.....

He was better known as the front man of a cruddy band (IMHO) called "Extreme." Needless to say, he didn't do well with VH.

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Old 10-20-2005, 01:14 PM   #11
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I thought I had heard that Sammy was back...Strange


Sammy was back and toured with them. But at the end of the tour, he said he and Eddie almost came to blows, and he left VH once again.
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:14 PM   #12
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On a whim, I checked the official Van Halen website. Has Sammy back with the band....not sure how often they update their site anymore though.

Who knows...maybe Sammy left again recently?

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Old 10-20-2005, 01:23 PM   #13
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Didn't they once release an album called 1984?

Isn't that also the last year they released anything of note?
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:26 PM   #14
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Gary Cherone (not sure if I spelled that right) was their front man after Sammy left the first time.....

He was better known as the front man of a cruddy band (IMHO) called "Extreme." Needless to say, he didn't do well with VH.

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Extreme was a monster.
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:26 PM   #15
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:27 PM   #16
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Old 10-20-2005, 01:36 PM   #17
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and they told more than words could say...

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Old 10-20-2005, 04:07 PM   #18
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looks like you're saved DD..

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Old 10-20-2005, 05:47 PM   #19
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cool
now they just have to stop sucking and I'll be happy
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Old 10-20-2005, 05:55 PM   #20
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Old 10-20-2005, 06:00 PM   #21
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Gary Cherone (not sure if I spelled that right) was their front man after Sammy left the first time.....

He was better known as the front man of a cruddy band (IMHO) called "Extreme." Needless to say, he didn't do well with VH.

Cheers!

Please tell me this is a joke. Extreme was great. I thought Pornograffiti was a brilliant album. ('More than words' wasn't even one of the better songs on the album)
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Old 10-20-2005, 08:03 PM   #22
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Old 10-20-2005, 08:06 PM   #23
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AIC will NEVER sound like AIC without Layne. Even Jerry knows where his bread was buttered. At the least he will decline just to save face.
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:02 PM   #24
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For all of Eddie's amazing gitaur skilllzzz, I can never be convinced that VH sans David Lee Roth is anything but pure and total crap. Hey, it's Sammy Hagar singing about gettin' all up in some alien, *FANTASTIC* Pssst, Sammy you should've stuck with Montrose, 'Three Lock Box', indeed. I refuse to commit Gary Cherone era Van Halen to memory.

Sure, Eddie has and will always be able to play a neat-o solo here and there while some subservient goofball bellows around him, but David Lee Roth will knock your balls off for 2 hours straight everytime, with 3 fifty year old Armenian guys backing him up. Also, Dave is the seminal rock banterist.

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Old 10-20-2005, 09:15 PM   #25
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Sure, Eddie has and will always be able to play a neat-o solo here and there while some subservient goofball bellows around him, but David Lee Roth will knock your balls off for 2 hours straight everytime, with 3 fifty year old Armenian guys backing him up. Also, Dave is the seminal rock banterist.

that sounds like a fuckin Roth QUOTE. Awesome!
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:16 PM   #26
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dola...mike anthony is from LA i believe. still, it doesn't take away from the thunder.
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:24 PM   #27
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Extreme kicked ass. Nuno is a monster guitar player, and IMO has done more with his gift than Eddie ever did. Their first album was pure 80's hair band cheese, but Pornograffitti - even putting aside More Than Words and Hole-Hearted - was a great album. And Three Sides... is one of my top 5 underrated albums of the 90s. Cupid's Dead, Peacemaker Die, the entire third side - all stuff that no other hard rock band could pull off.

The "problem" with Gary Cherone as a rock singer is that he doesn't neatly fit the DLR mold - he's done Jesus Christ Superstar and other outside-of-rock-music stuff, and even when he got back into rock music, the results were not straight-forward (check out his excellent album Tribe of Judah, which is all over the map). Ironically, he just released an EP of stuff I'm sure most of you would laugh at, but I love it - it's basically adult contemporary pop. I like the fact that he's not afraid to do all sorts of different kinds of music. I never really did understand why VH thought he would make a good fit for VH - solid material or not, he's just not that hardcore rock frontman that a band like VH (and most importantly, its fans) have come to expect.

So quit slagging Extreme and Cherone! And bring on another season of Rockstar, VH or not!
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:26 PM   #28
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AIC will NEVER sound like AIC without Layne. Even Jerry knows where his bread was buttered. At the least he will decline just to save face.

I'd love to see this if for no other reason than they'd probably mention King's X a dozen times.
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:32 PM   #29
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Extreme kicked ass. Nuno is a monster guitar player, and IMO has done more with his gift than Eddie ever did. Their first album was pure 80's hair band cheese, but Pornograffitti - even putting aside More Than Words and Hole-Hearted - was a great album. And Three Sides... is one of my top 5 underrated albums of the 90s. Cupid's Dead, Peacemaker Die, the entire third side - all stuff that no other hard rock band could pull off.

The "problem" with Gary Cherone as a rock singer is that he doesn't neatly fit the DLR mold - he's done Jesus Christ Superstar and other outside-of-rock-music stuff, and even when he got back into rock music, the results were not straight-forward (check out his excellent album Tribe of Judah, which is all over the map). Ironically, he just released an EP of stuff I'm sure most of you would laugh at, but I love it - it's basically adult contemporary pop. I like the fact that he's not afraid to do all sorts of different kinds of music. I never really did understand why VH thought he would make a good fit for VH - solid material or not, he's just not that hardcore rock frontman that a band like VH (and most importantly, its fans) have come to expect.

So quit slagging Extreme and Cherone! And bring on another season of Rockstar, VH or not!

It's all a matter of opinion...I never cared for them personally, but again that is only my opinion. Who cares what anyone else thinks if you like 'em. Just my 2 cents.

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Old 10-20-2005, 09:36 PM   #30
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Extreme kicked ass. Nuno is a monster guitar player, and IMO has done more with his gift than Eddie ever did.

ok, Nuno is a fine guitar player, but let's not get TOO carried away

I totally agree that Cherone was a poor fit for VH and unfairly shoulders the blame for the dreck called VHIII.
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:59 PM   #31
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ok, Nuno is a fine guitar player, but let's not get TOO carried away

I totally agree that Cherone was a poor fit for VH and unfairly shoulders the blame for the dreck called VHIII.

All I'm saying is, Eddie revolutionized guitar playing when he first came out, but he never really did anything else with it. He just coasted for 20+ years doing the same things. Unless you count playing guitar with a drill. Hell, his biggest gamble was putting the guitar down for 1984. Everything since DLR left has been AC/DC-like - that is, the same safe, comfortable music they've been doing for years. He never did anything un-Eddie like, took any risks, tried anything new. They've been in decline since the novelity wore off of Sammy somewhere between OU812 and FUCK. I'd say OU812 is the closest they came to doing something different, but in reality, it was the most Hagar-like album they did with Sammy.

Nuno obviously wouldn't be anything without Eddie doing it first, but since coming on the scene, he's done more innovative things than Eddie has, IMO. All 4 Extreme albums are very different from each other, and even his Pop 1 and Mourning Widows stuff is out there. He's definitely suffered from the break-up with Cherone, though.

So, I'm not saying he's better or has had more of an impact on rock music, because that wouldn't be true. I'm just saying I've seen him better utilize his talent than Eddie has.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:15 PM   #32
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DLR was the man in the day. Now he is doing talk radio. Please shoot me in the head.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:19 PM   #33
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DLR was the man in the day. Now he is doing talk radio. Please shoot me in the head.

Don't forget his stint as an EMT in the NYC EMS system.

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Old 10-20-2005, 10:52 PM   #34
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Please don't ruin Alice in Chains by finding some second rate no talent singer to front them...
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Old 10-21-2005, 01:46 AM   #35
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Please don't ruin Alice in Chains by finding some second rate no talent singer to front them...

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Old 10-21-2005, 04:17 AM   #36
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Sammy was back and toured with them. But at the end of the tour, he said he and Eddie almost came to blows, and he left VH once again.

The ego of Eddie has ruined something that was great. It all went downhill when he started drinking again.
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Old 10-21-2005, 04:12 PM   #38
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This was posted on Chart Attack. Hilarious description of Dave Navarro:


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It's relatively safe to say that one of the show's main participants will be back if a second season is greenlit.

"I made some really great friends, and I also got to be a part of helping some artists reach out and touch their dreams. Whether or not they won the show wasnt the point; the point was they got to do their craft in front of millions of people," said super-emo Rock Star helper monkey Dave Navarro.
Navarro wouldn't verify if he would actually appear on the next season or if he was even offered the position, but about the current speculation he offered, "Van Halen would be awesome — I'd just love to sit and hang with Ed."

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Hmm... sounds like I need to go out and buy a few Velvet Revolver CDs just to make sure Slash and the boys don't go getting any ideas...
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Didn't they once release an album called 1984?

Isn't that also the last year they released anything of note?



I assume you are kidding. They sold more records with Sammy than with Dave. They did not release their first number 1 album until Sammy came along. They are a classic band with Dave...they are a top 5 rock band of all time with Sammy. It is a shame they could not get over themselves on the latest tour. I caught the date in Wasington, DC and they were as good as ever.

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Hmm... sounds like I need to go out and buy a few Velvet Revolver CDs just to make sure Slash and the boys don't go getting any ideas...

Is Scott back in rehab... again?
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Old 10-21-2005, 11:04 PM   #42
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I assume you are kidding. They sold more records with Sammy than with Dave. They did not release their first number 1 album until Sammy came along. They are a classic band with Dave...they are a top 5 rock band of all time with Sammy.

I was halfway kidding. I do believe that they pretty much turned to crap after DLR left. Their stuff with Sammy was way overproduced and sounded generally wimpy to me. Hey, different strokes for different folks.

If Van Halen with Sammy is one of the top 5 rock bands of all time, what would be the other 4 bands?
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The scariest stat about Van Halen is that of their first 12 albums (ie all except III and the recent greatest hits one)- they *all* sold 3 million or more except for the Live double album and Fair Warning which sold over 2 million. That's insane consistency. Never mind that 1984 and the original went over 10 million each.

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I was halfway kidding. I do believe that they pretty much turned to crap after DLR left. Their stuff with Sammy was way overproduced and sounded generally wimpy to me. Hey, different strokes for different folks.

If Van Halen with Sammy is one of the top 5 rock bands of all time, what would be the other 4 bands?

In no particular order

1. Led Zeppelin
2. Van Halen
3. Rolling Stones
4. Metallica
5. Van Halen

Queen would lead the list of honorably mentioned with acts like Pink Floyd, The Who, AC/DC, Pearl Jam..... you can go on all day arguing about the next 5 bands.
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In no particular order

1. Led Zeppelin
2. Van Halen
3. Rolling Stones
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5. Van Halen
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Old 10-23-2005, 09:46 PM   #49
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And Three Sides... is one of my top 5 underrated albums of the 90s.

That was the first CD I ever owned.
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Isn't that also the last year they released anything of note?


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