WWE Raw Where is it?

panerd · 10-24-2005, 08:47 PM

Obviously I don't watch wrestling that much anymore or I wouldn't have to ask this question, but I was going to tune in to see what the latest is with HHH, Bischoff, and Stacy Keibler and SpikeTV was showing CSI. I could probably do a google search and find out what happened quicker than I can type this message. But I am more interested in the back story. Why did RAW change channels? Is the TNA becoming any sort of force causing the switch? Are the wrestlers still split up between two non-interacting shows? Any one know?

SirFozzie · 10-24-2005, 08:48 PM

The contract with Spike TV, ran out, and Spike didn't want to renew at the price WWE wanted, so they're back on USA.

DaddyTorgo · 10-24-2005, 08:49 PM

all i know is it switched back to USA and Spike picked up TNA instead. I'm thinking that Vinnie Mac prolly wanted more $$ than Spike was willing to pony up, but I havn't watched in forever so i'm not sure if they "recombined" the shows or what. I did see that Austin is back in some capacity though.

MikeVic · 10-24-2005, 08:50 PM

What Fozzie said. And as for TNA, they're getting decent ratings on Saturday night and Monday night replays (atleast both sides are happy about the ratings). And TNA will now get a 2-hour special on Thursday, November 3rd @ 9pm ET... hopefully it does well and WWE actually tries with their show again. :P

panerd · 10-24-2005, 08:55 PM

I used order every year for the Survivor Series, the Rumble, and Wrestlemania without question. (legally) Then they got rid of the tag matches that defined the Survivor Series and lessened the meaning of the 30-man rumble and I was down to only one pay-per-view. That decision never seemed to make sense to me as the hardcore fans will purchase almost anything and I would think there were a lot of casual fans like me that liked the gimmicks and weren't willing to pay for regular matches. Especially the last 5 or so years where more happens on the free shows than the pay-per-views. Vince McMahon will go down in history as the having the best (Austin 3:16 seemed like almost the 4th major sport for a run there) and worst marketing plans (any of this shit the last few years) in the history of television.

DaddyTorgo · 10-24-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I used order every year for the Survivor Series, the Rumble, and Wrestlemania without question. (legally) Then they got rid of the tag matches that defined the Survivor Series and lessened the meaning of the 30-man rumble and I was down to only one pay-per-view. That decision never seemed to make sense to me as the hardcore fans will purchase almost anything and I would think there were a lot of casual fans like me that liked the gimmicks and weren't willing to pay for regular matches. Especially the last 5 or so years where more happens on the free shows than the pay-per-views. Vince McMahon will go down in history as the having the best (Austin 3:16 seemed like almost the 4th major sport for a run there) and worst marketing plans (any of this shit the last few years) in the history of television.

i miss Austin 3:16, and The Rock as the People's Champ

it hasn't been the same since that

jbmagic · 10-24-2005, 09:48 PM

Austin 3:16 is back

DaddyTorgo · 10-24-2005, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

Austin 3:16 is back

WOOT!!! so he's randomly running into important matches and Stunning everyone?? SWEEEEEET

JeffNights · 10-24-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

WOOT!!! so he's randomly running into important matches and Stunning everyone?? SWEEEEEET

He's Stunning all the McMahon with da' "BOO-yahhh!!"

DaddyTorgo · 10-24-2005, 10:10 PM

haha. WWE was never quite as fun as when Austin would like...drive his MOFO truck into the Arena and sit in the ring and call out McMahon and just beat the crap out of people

Sublime 2 · 10-24-2005, 11:07 PM

I miss The Hitman

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 05:25 AM

I wish they had Demolition vs. The Road Warriors back in the 80s but it never happened. We did get to see The Powers of Pain vs. The Road Warriors though.

PackerFanatic · 10-25-2005, 09:46 AM

WWE has gone downhill in the past 6 - 7 years and its really sad. I used to watch it religiously but I see no point in it now...same ol shit...same ol pushes for the same ol shitty wrestlers.

Cards4ever · 10-25-2005, 12:22 PM

For fans of the old AWA, the Crusher has died.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/...3/1275272.html

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 02:55 PM

Hey does anyone remember that old wrestling news website back in the 90s called scoops?

Maple Leafs · 10-25-2005, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

I miss The Hitman

Nods.

The Hart Foundation angle was arguably the best in WWE history -- just perfectly executed every week for a good two or three months. Hard to believe what happened to those five guys over the last few years.

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 03:08 PM

I'm guessing you're talking about Brian Pillman, the Anvil, Bulldog, Owen and Bret, right? Not The Hart Foundation tag-team.

Ryche · 10-25-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Hey does anyone remember that old wrestling news website back in the 90s called scoops?

That's pretty much Pro Wrestling Torch now.... www.pwtorch.com

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 03:11 PM

Ah, thanks.

Maple Leafs · 10-25-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm guessing you're talking about Brian Pillman, the Anvil, Bulldog, Owen and Bret, right? Not The Hart Foundation tag-team.

Correct. The group that got over as the company's biggest heels in the US, while also being the biggest faces in the rest of the world. The five or six week story arc that saw Bret turn, followed by the reconcillation of Owen/Bulldog, the Austin streetfight and then the addition of Pillman and finally Anvil was just a masterpiece. The guys who write the current garbage should be forced to go back and rewatch it.

Re: Scoops, I remember it well -- did it really become pwtorch? I thought they were competitors back then.

SirFozzie · 10-25-2005, 04:20 PM

they kinda merged a while back.

BTW, you better use Firefox or a damn good firewall when visiting the Torch or PWInsider. I've never seen two sites with more popups in my LIFE.

Ryche · 10-25-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie

they kinda merged a while back.

BTW, you better use Firefox or a damn good firewall when visiting the Torch or PWInsider. I've never seen two sites with more popups in my LIFE.

Definitely. Even then you get an occasional annoying popup breakthrough.

molson · 10-25-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sublime 2

I miss The Hitman

His DVD collection is coming out shortly - its his first involvement with the WWE since 1997 - should be very cool.

Joe Canadian · 10-25-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leafs

Nods.

The Hart Foundation angle was arguably the best in WWE history -- just perfectly executed every week for a good two or three months. Hard to believe what happened to those five guys over the last few years.

It was a good angle... but it got incredibly stupid when they involved them with The Nation of Domination.

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Wrestling was never as good as it was when I was in Junior High so that's like 7-8 years ago. DX, The Hart Foundation, E&C vs. The Hardyz, etc. in the WWF... and the nWo in WCW. Shawn Michaels & Bret Hart will always be the best in the world to me... but with Michaels it's the HBK of the good ol' days, not the born again Christian, that is all agreeable and nice backstage that exists today.

It's funny how wrestling has evolved in the last 10 years... the downfall of WCW was a result of wrestlers, like Hogan, running the company into the ground with their "creative control", and everyone knew this when it happened. The WWF rebounded in the Monday Night Wars because of Russo & his writing team, a team that had little input from the wrestlers compared to the way WCW was being run.

WCW blows up, ruining a once great company... Turner sold it to the WWF... and what did the WWF do? They started giving more and more control to the wrestlers because they couldn't find someone to replace Russo. Now we have Triple H turning into the new Hogan... And it's really a sad story because they do have ALOT of talent there that would be so much better with the right writers behind the secnes. But since they don't guys like Edge, Cena, Matt Hardy, Orlando Jordan, Batista, etc. will never reach the heights of an Austin, Hogan, Rocky, or HBK.

Raiders Army · 10-25-2005, 05:13 PM

Actually I thought the whole "I hate America" angle was lame with The Hart Foundation. DX was okay, especially when Chyna got her implants.

jbmagic · 11-05-2005, 01:55 PM

Triple HHH getting mad at a fan.

hxxp://media.putfile.com/Triple-H-Sonnin

10-24-2005, 08:48 PM	#2
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	The contract with Spike TV, ran out, and Spike didn't want to renew at the price WWE wanted, so they're back on USA. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-25-2005, 09:46 AM	#13
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	WWE has gone downhill in the past 6 - 7 years and its really sad. I used to watch it religiously but I see no point in it now...same ol shit...same ol pushes for the same ol shitty wrestlers. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

10-25-2005, 12:22 PM	#14
Cards4ever College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Eagan, MN	For fans of the old AWA, the Crusher has died. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/...3/1275272.html __________________ Cardinal Baseball & Gopher Hockey, what else do you need?

10-25-2005, 04:20 PM	#21
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	they kinda merged a while back. BTW, you better use Firefox or a damn good firewall when visiting the Torch or PWInsider. I've never seen two sites with more popups in my LIFE. __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-24-2005, 08:49 PM	#3
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	all i know is it switched back to USA and Spike picked up TNA instead. I'm thinking that Vinnie Mac prolly wanted more $$ than Spike was willing to pony up, but I havn't watched in forever so i'm not sure if they "recombined" the shows or what. I did see that Austin is back in some capacity though.

10-24-2005, 08:50 PM	#4
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	What Fozzie said. And as for TNA, they're getting decent ratings on Saturday night and Monday night replays (atleast both sides are happy about the ratings). And TNA will now get a 2-hour special on Thursday, November 3rd @ 9pm ET... hopefully it does well and WWE actually tries with their show again. :P

10-24-2005, 08:55 PM	#5
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	I used order every year for the Survivor Series, the Rumble, and Wrestlemania without question. (legally) Then they got rid of the tag matches that defined the Survivor Series and lessened the meaning of the 30-man rumble and I was down to only one pay-per-view. That decision never seemed to make sense to me as the hardcore fans will purchase almost anything and I would think there were a lot of casual fans like me that liked the gimmicks and weren't willing to pay for regular matches. Especially the last 5 or so years where more happens on the free shows than the pay-per-views. Vince McMahon will go down in history as the having the best (Austin 3:16 seemed like almost the 4th major sport for a run there) and worst marketing plans (any of this shit the last few years) in the history of television.

10-24-2005, 09:48 PM	#7
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Austin 3:16 is back

10-24-2005, 10:10 PM	#10
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	haha. WWE was never quite as fun as when Austin would like...drive his MOFO truck into the Arena and sit in the ring and call out McMahon and just beat the crap out of people

10-24-2005, 11:07 PM	#11
Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	I miss The Hitman

10-25-2005, 05:25 AM	#12
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I wish they had Demolition vs. The Road Warriors back in the 80s but it never happened. We did get to see The Powers of Pain vs. The Road Warriors though.

10-25-2005, 02:55 PM	#15
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Hey does anyone remember that old wrestling news website back in the 90s called scoops?

10-25-2005, 03:08 PM	#17
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm guessing you're talking about Brian Pillman, the Anvil, Bulldog, Owen and Bret, right? Not The Hart Foundation tag-team.

10-25-2005, 03:11 PM	#19
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Ah, thanks.

10-25-2005, 05:13 PM	#25
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Actually I thought the whole "I hate America" angle was lame with The Hart Foundation. DX was okay, especially when Chyna got her implants.

11-05-2005, 01:55 PM	#26
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Triple HHH getting mad at a fan. hxxp://media.putfile.com/Triple-H-Sonnin

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