Formations

Warhammer · 11-03-2005, 02:32 PM

I think this has been discussed before, but does anyone have a list of which formations are good for which offenses?

For example:
Single Back normal - Good for medium to long passes and running up the middle.

Pro Formation normal - Good for short to medium passing game and running the ball outside of the tackles

I tried to put together a list of the available plays for each formation, but gave up after realizing how unwieldly such a list would be. What I am hoping to come up with is a list that would give us direction as far as whether or not a formation is good for running or passing, inside or outside, long or short, etc. Any ideas how to go about this?

gstelmack · 11-03-2005, 03:39 PM

Well, wouldn't the default weights the game assigns give you an indication of this?

Warhammer · 11-03-2005, 07:19 PM

Not exactly. Look at Running Situtations. Click recommend. What is the second highest weight? Mine is the Pro Formation. Per the game's documentation, this is a passing formation, not a running formation. So why does it have the 2nd highest weight? Now, before any one asks, my HC is rated EXCELLENT in offensive playcalling. So, is the documentation right, or should I go with my scouts? Also, let's face it, the recommended settings in the run/pass ratios are not the greatest either.

Buzzbee · 11-04-2005, 03:29 PM

Pro Formation is supposed to be a little better for running outside. Therefore it probably has a higher average per carry than I Form or the two TE sets, which are probably more geared for running up the middle.

I think the 'power' sets (I-Formation, two TE sets) give you less chance at breaking a big one, but also less chance for being stopped for a loss. The 'finesse' sets (for lack of a better word) such as the Pro or Single back tend to have a greater reward (longer runs) but also a greater risk (getting stopped behind the line). That is just my perception, so take it FWIW.

Warhammer · 11-12-2005, 06:32 AM

The more I play this game, the more I think that formations are the important consideration on offense. Not only for which formations you run, but also when you run them. Additionally, I think it is important to see how different similar formations are to one another.

For example, a single back 2TE set, is a much more versatile passing formation than a 2TE Pro Formation.

PilotMan · 11-12-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer

For example, a single back 2TE set, is a much more versatile passing formation than a 2TE Pro Formation.

Personally. one of my favorite's, especially on third down. You can get good blocking, if your TE's are good they may find a spot in the seam or over the middle, or you can run to either side with an extra blocker already leading the way, and you have your best WR's in too. If you have a great FB this is the place to use him. He can block, catch or run if you ask him too. This creates the hardest situation to defend.

OldGiants · 11-15-2005, 12:53 PM

The number of formations your QB knows is very important, IMO. I recently drafted a 25/35 QB who knew 12 formations coming out of college. With a mentor, he was up to 17 after two seasons. I kept expecting him to pop, but he never did and settled in at 37. Still, he was amazingly effective at making my running game go. He asked for too much money, I let him go and drafted a rookie with 25/66 talent, but only 9 formations. The running game suffered, despite the same RB and line. I assume it was becasue the old guy could call any formation, while the new kid couldn't get the team in the right formation.

Any one else have similar observations?

Warhammer · 11-15-2005, 07:56 PM

Yep, that has actually happened to me with a couple of teams. That is why I posted this originally. I was trying to see what the best formations for different things are. Obviously the 3 WR formations are better than their base formation for passing, but for TEs and running it is not necessarily the case.

11-03-2005, 03:39 PM	#2
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	Well, wouldn't the default weights the game assigns give you an indication of this? __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

11-04-2005, 03:29 PM	#4
Buzzbee College Starter Join Date: Jun 2002	Pro Formation is supposed to be a little better for running outside. Therefore it probably has a higher average per carry than I Form or the two TE sets, which are probably more geared for running up the middle. I think the 'power' sets (I-Formation, two TE sets) give you less chance at breaking a big one, but also less chance for being stopped for a loss. The 'finesse' sets (for lack of a better word) such as the Pro or Single back tend to have a greater reward (longer runs) but also a greater risk (getting stopped behind the line). That is just my perception, so take it FWIW. __________________ Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it. - Lou Holtz

11-15-2005, 12:53 PM	#7
OldGiants College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Location, Location, Location	The number of formations your QB knows is very important, IMO. I recently drafted a 25/35 QB who knew 12 formations coming out of college. With a mentor, he was up to 17 after two seasons. I kept expecting him to pop, but he never did and settled in at 37. Still, he was amazingly effective at making my running game go. He asked for too much money, I let him go and drafted a rookie with 25/66 talent, but only 9 formations. The running game suffered, despite the same RB and line. I assume it was becasue the old guy could call any formation, while the new kid couldn't get the team in the right formation. Any one else have similar observations? __________________ "The case of Great Britain is the most astonishing in this matter of inequality of rights in world soccer championships. The way they explained it to me as a child, God is one but He's three: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I could never understand it. And I still don't understand why Great Britain is one but she's four....while [others] continue to be no more than one despite the diverse nationalities that make them up." Eduardo Galeano, SOCCER IN SUN AND SHADOW

11-03-2005, 07:19 PM	#3
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Not exactly. Look at Running Situtations. Click recommend. What is the second highest weight? Mine is the Pro Formation. Per the game's documentation, this is a passing formation, not a running formation. So why does it have the 2nd highest weight? Now, before any one asks, my HC is rated EXCELLENT in offensive playcalling. So, is the documentation right, or should I go with my scouts? Also, let's face it, the recommended settings in the run/pass ratios are not the greatest either.

11-12-2005, 06:32 AM	#5
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	The more I play this game, the more I think that formations are the important consideration on offense. Not only for which formations you run, but also when you run them. Additionally, I think it is important to see how different similar formations are to one another. For example, a single back 2TE set, is a much more versatile passing formation than a 2TE Pro Formation.

11-15-2005, 07:56 PM	#8
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	Yep, that has actually happened to me with a couple of teams. That is why I posted this originally. I was trying to see what the best formations for different things are. Obviously the 3 WR formations are better than their base formation for passing, but for TEs and running it is not necessarily the case.

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