LOL...Wie misses cut at the Casino World Open, Japan.

[WrongWay]

Maybe she just need to find a men's tournament that doesn't have enough players in it.

I love this blog.
hxxp://www.travelgolf.com/blogs/chris.baldwin/2005/11/25/michelle_wie_shows_she_can_fold_in_japan

The news came in the middle of the night in most of America, news that's fast becoming as predictable as snow in Michigan in January for all but the Wie Warriors.

Marketing monster Michelle Wie folded again when faced with a little pressure, bogeyed the last two holes in her second round to miss the cut at the Casio World Open. At some point, you have to start feeling sorry for this 16-year-old who obviously knows nothing about winning or performing in the clutch.

The only funny thing is how the Wie Warriors get so pumped up, convinced they are finally going to be proven right, only to see the wheels fall off the bus yet again.

Michelle Wie's now proven she cannot win, or even do anything artificially significant, in America, Canada and Japan. Maybe she'll try her hand at Liechtenstein next. It's obvious she needs a smaller stage.

Then again, she couldn't win big tournaments in the Juniors either.

Remember, this was the Casino World Open, a Japanese Tour event with a field less impressive than some major college tournaments. This is the tournament that Tiger Woods thought she might be able to contend in. Making the cut seemed to be a given with Tiger declaring, "there's no reason why she can't make the cut."

Well, no reason except the fact Wie would likely blow a three-foot putt playing for a local country club's beer round trophy.

Now we know why Tiger Woods is no Phil Mickelson when it comes to sports betting. Of course, working for Nike, Tiger has to play nice to Michelle.

The Wie camp cannot acknowledge the farce this has become of course. If only it wasn't all about dollar signs and Wie could go back and try to learn how to handle anything stressful in low-level amateur tournaments.

I think my local high school has a boy's tournament comming up soon.

[cthomer5000]

She's laughing all the way to the bank.

[WrongWay]

I guess she can always get Financial advise from Tennis legend Anna Kournikova.

[sachmo71]

Uppity women!

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by sachmo71

Uppity women!

Indeed! Hah hah! Stupid 16 year old girls thinking they are as good as men! What's next? Women will want to vote? Bah! Get back in the kitchen and fix me a potpie!

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Indeed! Hah hah! Stupid 16 year old girls thinking they are as good as men! What's next? Women will want to vote? Bah! Get back in the kitchen and fix me a potpie!

[sovereignstar]

I'm gonna buy WrongWay a club for X-mas.

Edit: Oh yeah, this kind.

[WrongWay]

This is what made me laugh the most about his article.

The only funny thing is how the Wie Warriors get so pumped up, convinced they are finally going to be proven right, only to see the wheels fall off the bus yet again.

I know we have more than a few Wie Warriors running around here.

[miami_fan]

Am I the only one who finds no real interest in Michelle Wie or her golf game one way or the other?

[Joe]

I'd hit it

[TroyF]

I took you off ignore just so I could read your babble.

She's finished in the top five of MAJOR tournaments. Multiple major tournaments. She just turned 16 a little over a month ago.

She was also the youngest player ever to win the US Amateur public links, beating a 21 year old in the final when she was 13.

Please write back with your wisdom when she wins her first major LPGA title, which will likely come before her 18th birthday, ok?

Until then, back on ignore you go.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Am I the only one who finds no real interest in Michelle Wie or her golf game one way or the other?

i get satisfaction out of seeing her fail.

[Super Ugly]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i get satisfaction out of seeing her fail.

Why?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Super Ugly

Why?

i don't like women who insist on playing sports with men. i especially hate overhyped teenagers who think they can do it. and i'm not particularly fond of asians.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

Because I'm insecure.

just a little paraphrasing

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I took you off ignore just so I could read your babble.

She's finished in the top five of MAJOR tournaments. Multiple major tournaments. She just turned 16 a little over a month ago.

She was also the youngest player ever to win the US Amateur public links, beating a 21 year old in the final when she was 13.

Please write back with your wisdom when she wins her first major LPGA title, which will likely come before her 18th birthday, ok?

Until then, back on ignore you go.

This comming from the same guy who predicted Maurice Clarett would be Denver's starting running back by midseason. And then went on to tell me how I didn't know anything because I claimed Mike Anderson was going to earn the starting job in Denver this offseason.

Hey Wie Warrior, You so crazy.

[BrianD]

I think my biggest problem with Wie is the whole "manufactured hero" syndrome. Golf needs some publicity. It needs some major stories to get people's interest up. This is especially true in Women's Golf. Rather than waiting for a story to develop somewhere, they jump on this young girl who has some major talent but not a lot of experience. They are going to show her name and face everywhere and talk about how she can play with the men. At this point in her life, I'm not even sure she can play with the women yet. If people would let her develop and possibly become a major golf story, I think more people would be interested in her. Since the media has pushed this story on us, I think people like to see her (and the media) fail. People want to pick their own heroes.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

just a little paraphrasing

if guys could play in the women's league i wouldn't have a prob.

there's nothing wrong with keeping things separate. separate can be good sometimes.

[RendeR]

I don't much give a shit about Michelle Wei or golf in general, but for all of you Wie-Warriors and Wei-Bashers:

When you make that amount of money doing something you love doing against the very BEST the sport can offer in the world, yeah, maybe THEN you can open your pie holes.

Till that happens, crawl back under a rock.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

and i'm not particularly fond of asians.

Nice, man. You're a true ambassador for mankind.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I don't much give a shit about Michelle Wei or golf in general, but for all of you Wie-Warriors and Wei-Bashers:

When you make that amount of money doing something you love doing against the very BEST the sport can offer in the world, yeah, maybe THEN you can open your pie holes.

Till that happens, crawl back under a rock.

From what I can find, her current career earnings are $0.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I don't much give a shit about Michelle Wei or golf in general, but for all of you Wie-Warriors and Wei-Bashers:

When you make that amount of money doing something you love doing against the very BEST the sport can offer in the world, yeah, maybe THEN you can open your pie holes.

Till that happens, crawl back under a rock.

you don't have to be as good as the artist to be a critic of his/her work.

and so far it seems all that money is much ado about nothing, until she delivers. until she actually achieves something she's no better than Ryan Leaf or any other first round bust who essentially "stole" money cuz they didn't turn out to be the real deal.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Nice, man. You're a true ambassador for mankind.

i'm entitled to my opinion. you might not come across many where you live, but in NYC, and particularly Flushing, Queens, they've basically have taken over. it's quite insane, really, how many asians are in Queens.

[Anthony]

case in point:



hint...that ain't Shanghai you're looking at.

http://www.southofboston.net/special...day2-main.html

[Tekneek]

Wow. She has proven she can never do anything significant? What a great take that is. As if everything about her life hinges on this. Given that, she might as well just off herself since she has proven she will never succeed at anything...according to that blogger.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by BrianD

From what I can find, her current career earnings are $0.

Off by ~10 million.

You get to spend the money whether it comes from an endorsement contract or tournament purses.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Am I the only one who finds no real interest in golf one way or the other?

Fixed.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm entitled to my opinion. you might not come across many where you live, but in NYC, and particularly Flushing, Queens, they've basically have taken over. it's quite insane, really, how many asians are in Queens.

Racism: catch the spirit!

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by Samdari

Off by ~10 million.

You get to spend the money whether it comes from an endorsement contract or tournament purses.

Yeah, Brian was just slightly off on that one.

[kcchief19]

Well, Brian was playing a "loophole" in that Wie has no actually winnings because she has competed as an amateur and thus could not claim any winnings from her pro performances. If she had been a pro the last two years, she would have ranked in the top 20 on the LPGA tour in winnings, despite playing in more than eight tournaments per year. This year should would have won around $600,000 and placed 12th -- while in high school.

You don't have to be a fan of Wie's -- this isn't Russia and no one is forcing you. But if you are critizing her based on her performance, the facts suggest that your criticism is based on something else -- jealousy, apparently racism or an inferiority complex -- other than performance.

[streetballer22]

She has come pretty close this time and a previous time in a decent US tournament.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm entitled to my opinion. you might not come across many where you live, but in NYC, and particularly Flushing, Queens, they've basically have taken over. it's quite insane, really, how many asians are in Queens.

[sovereignstar]

She was born in Hawaii, you fuck knob. She's American.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Well, Brian was playing a "loophole" in that Wie has no actually winnings because she has competed as an amateur and thus could not claim any winnings from her pro performances. If she had been a pro the last two years, she would have ranked in the top 20 on the LPGA tour in winnings, despite playing in more than eight tournaments per year. This year should would have won around $600,000 and placed 12th -- while in high school.

You don't have to be a fan of Wie's -- this isn't Russia and no one is forcing you. But if you are critizing her based on her performance, the facts suggest that your criticism is based on something else -- jealousy, apparently racism or an inferiority complex -- other than performance.

No loophole, I was just responding to RendeR. She has gotten plenty of endorsements, but to this point she hasn't made any money on the tour yet. True she hasn't been pro very long, but my argument is that she isn't worth the hype yet. She may become worth the hype, and at that point I'll be a fan. The media is trying too hard to make her a star, but it is premature.

[WrongWay]

I will bring up my Anna Kournikova again. Right now Wie has as many golf title as Kournikova does tennis titles.

All flash and no results. A complete flop, you know a bust. Has yet to place in any pro tournament.

I look forward to seeing her compete against boy scout troup 407 next week. Go Michelle.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I will bring up my Anna Kournikova again. Right now Wie has as many golf title as Kournikova does tennis titles.

All flash and no results. A complete flop, you know a bust. Has yet to place in any pro tournament.

I look forward to seeing her compete against boy scout troup 407 next week. Go Michelle.

To better explain my position, I agree with the first half of this post, but not the second. I don't think she is all flash, or a bust. She is a 16 (?) year old golfer. She has talent, but she isn't a superstar. She is being positioned as a superstar, but it isn't warranted yet. One of the big knocks on her so far is that she can't perform when it counts. Being 16, that isn't terribly surprising. With all of the media attention she is getting and all of the added pressure, we may see her confidence and golf ability destroyed before it fully develops. I think it would be much better for her if she had stayed in the amateur ranks and continued to develop, but it is hard to turn down the money that was waiting for her. We'll have to wait and see if she ever becomes great.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I will bring up my Anna Kournikova again. Right now Wie has as many golf title as Kournikova does tennis titles.

All flash and no results. A complete flop, you know a bust. Has yet to place in any pro tournament.

I look forward to seeing her compete against boy scout troup 407 next week. Go Michelle.

This is what I meant by lack of facts. In women's PROFESSIONAL majors alone, she has played and qualified in eight tournaments and has four top 10 finishes, including a second place finish at the LPGA Championship. How is that "yet to place in any pro tournament" and "a complete flop, you know a bust?" That's a career for some golfers, and she's just 16.

Wie has played in three men's tournaments and has a scoring average of 71.67. Remarkable for a 16-year-old, regardless of sex. For an interesting comparison, Tiger Woods had a scoring average 74.83 for the first three pro tournaments he played as an amateur at age 16-17.

I don't disagree with the notion that Michelle Wie is getting more attention than her results deserve -- unless you bring age into consideration. If you bring age into the equation, I would content that she is one of if not the most accomplished 16-year-old golfer ever, regardless of sex. That is based on results. How can you knock those results?

The Anna Kournikova comparison is ridiculous. Kournikova was never a prodigy. She didn't get attention with her game -- she got it with her looks. Wie's attention is earned with her game.

Would it be better if she had taken the Tiger approach and maybe gone to college and put off turning pro until she was 20 or 21? Maybe. College might mature her a bit like it clearly did with Tiger. The drawback is that few if any women's college golf programs are very far advanced and she wouldn't have gotten the challenge that Tiger did at Stanford. And at this point, I think there is more pressure on her in amateur tournaments than in pro tournaments -- if she plays a pro tournament, all the eyes are on her, but in an amatuer tournament all the eyes would be on her and anything less than first would be considered a failure.

Like I said, it doesn't matter to me whether you like Wie or not. But I'm not one who will let someone get run down with no facts simply because they are a woman or a minority.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Would it be better if she had taken the Tiger approach and maybe gone to college and put off turning pro until she was 20 or 21? Maybe..

You mean an actually won some tournaments? Please tell me about all the major tournaments she has won as a Pro or an Amateur?

Just the facts right?

[Subby]

This thread is a doofus magnet.

[Schmidty]

Men who constantly demean female athletes have tiny ding-dongs.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Originally Posted by Subby

This thread is a doofus magnet.

This is the correct answer.

[Crapshoot]

HA proves once again that just when you think he's reached the limits of his stupidity, he can discover new levels.

[ThunderingHERD]

I could care less about who will be the next great female golfer for the same reason I could care less about who will be the next great white running back--but some people here are embarrassing themselves with hateful, senseless vitriol.

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

You mean an actually won some tournaments? Please tell me about all the major tournaments she has won as a Pro or an Amateur?

She won the USGA women's publinx - an adult championship - as a 13 year old.

And her finishes in 8 events would have placed her in the top 15 on the LPGA tour. Her average finish per start was like 2nd or third best of anybody. She had a good year. Is the hype outpacing her performance so far? Sure, but during most of that time, she had no publicist, and no part of the hype. Should she drop the charade of competing with men? Absolutely, she'll never be more than a fringe PGA player or minor tour player. But come on, give her credit for what she has done.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

This is what I meant by lack of facts. In women's PROFESSIONAL majors alone, she has played and qualified in eight tournaments and has four top 10 finishes, including a second place finish at the LPGA Championship. How is that "yet to place in any pro tournament" and "a complete flop, you know a bust?" That's a career for some golfers, and she's just 16.

Wie has played in three men's tournaments and has a scoring average of 71.67. Remarkable for a 16-year-old, regardless of sex. For an interesting comparison, Tiger Woods had a scoring average 74.83 for the first three pro tournaments he played as an amateur at age 16-17.

I don't disagree with the notion that Michelle Wie is getting more attention than her results deserve -- unless you bring age into consideration. If you bring age into the equation, I would content that she is one of if not the most accomplished 16-year-old golfer ever, regardless of sex. That is based on results. How can you knock those results?

The Anna Kournikova comparison is ridiculous. Kournikova was never a prodigy. She didn't get attention with her game -- she got it with her looks. Wie's attention is earned with her game.

Would it be better if she had taken the Tiger approach and maybe gone to college and put off turning pro until she was 20 or 21? Maybe. College might mature her a bit like it clearly did with Tiger. The drawback is that few if any women's college golf programs are very far advanced and she wouldn't have gotten the challenge that Tiger did at Stanford. And at this point, I think there is more pressure on her in amateur tournaments than in pro tournaments -- if she plays a pro tournament, all the eyes are on her, but in an amatuer tournament all the eyes would be on her and anything less than first would be considered a failure.

Like I said, it doesn't matter to me whether you like Wie or not. But I'm not one who will let someone get run down with no facts simply because they are a woman or a minority.

No idea how he responded to this, but my guess is something along the lines of "SHE HASN'T WON"

As if Tiger had won at the age of 16. (and indeed, you pointed this out in the post, but he certainly won't give you that point)

Hell, look at his first post. Anna Kournikova? Well, it's been mentioned repeatedly, but Wie WON the US Public Link Amateur at the age of 13, the youngest person in history to do so. I'd say that alone blows the Kournikova thing out of the water.

Tiger won his first Major tournament at the age of 21. I'll bet anyone that Wie wins her first LPGA major before that. My guess is she'll be on her third or fourth by that point, considering her success in them now.

I just can't grasp this "she's a flop" thing. She's allowed to take money, she ends up being the 12th ranked womens money winner in less than ten tournaments. That's a bust?

Look, she could just stay at that level, never winning a thing and she's Phil Mickleson. Meaning she'll rip off 2 or 3 wins a year on the tour, finish in the top 3 on the money list and eventually win a major by accident. That's here WORST case scenario. I wish I could flop like that.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm entitled to my opinion. you might not come across many where you live, but in NYC, and particularly Flushing, Queens, they've basically have taken over. it's quite insane, really, how many asians are in Queens.

This is America, land of the melting pot. We're all mutts.

[GrantDawg]

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Subby

This thread is a doofus magnet.

You see the irony, right?

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Tiger won his first Major tournament at the age of 21. I'll bet anyone that Wie wins her first LPGA major before that. My guess is she'll be on her third or fourth by that point, considering her success in them now.

I would love to take that bet, but watching her play some crap tournamant like The Casino World Open in Japan shows how low she and her publicity people will sink. So, you are probably right, by the time she is 21 she will probably of won the Hackensack Womens County Open once.

Now if you are saying she will be the #1 ranked golfer in the world by then, I will say your can't miss Denver running back Maurice Clarrett has a better chance of making the Hall of Fame than Wie does of ever being Ranked #1.



See, I understand why the #1 ranked women's golfer in the world Anna Sorenstam would want to play against the men for the competition, but I don't understand why someone who has never won a single major tournament on any level would want to?

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

You mean an actually won some tournaments? Please tell me about all the major tournaments she has won as a Pro or an Amateur?

Just the facts right?

Originally Posted by Samdari

She won the USGA women's publinx - an adult championship - as a 13 year old.

Oh, snap. And pwned.

When she won the Public Links title, she became the youngest PERSON to win an adult USGA title. By age 16, she had won one adult USGA title and Tiger won two juniors. the biggest difference is that Tiger continued to play junior golf until he was 17. Wie decided the "been there, done that" philosophy was better for here, and chose to play adult and "men" championships instead. She played the Publinx tournament this year instead of the women's Publinx event, losing in the quarterfinals to the eventual champion.

Man, I hate it when facts screw up a good debate. You guys have critized her for not playing well in pro tournaments (false), not winning amateur tournaments (false) and for being Asian (false). Congratulations on a job well done.

If you would stop proving my point, you could certainly build an argument that Wie is overhyped. She is succeeding on pure, raw talent. Her short game is erratic. She has sometimes lost focus in key situations, such as bogeying the final two holes and missing the cut or squandering a lead in match play. She has been accused of being arrogant. Her disqualification earlier this year was seen by some as a lack of understanding of the rules or even a blatant attempt to cheat. As good as she, Morgan Pressel and Paula Creamer may be just as good if not better, but critics say she ducked them by choosing to play adult tournaments rather than junior tournaments.

But no, you choose to go for the sex card.