Importance of Physical Beauty

[Galaxy]

Are you shallow if physical beauty is important? Is it something that changes with age in what you find attractive? Does it matter in today's "fix-it-through-surgery-if-you-don't-like-it-society"? Thought I would hear what the FOFC guys and gals have to say.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Classic Sundancer post.

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[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by QuikSand
Classic Sundancer post.

All it's missing is talk of his business plan.

[McSweeny]

perfect! i had been trying to figure out who the hell Galaxy used to be, but couldn't for the life of me figure it out. thank you Quick

[QuikSand]

Deleted my post (on second thought, seemed like it might some off as mean-spirited), but with your quote that's pretty ineffective.

[Bee]

Count me as shallow I guess...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by McSweeny

perfect! i had been trying to figure out who the hell Galaxy used to be, but couldn't for the life of me figure it out. thank you Quick

Damn. Especially since Galaxy's join date is that same as his last visited.

[Ksyrup]

Why hasn't Izulde posted more lately?

[sachmo71]

Physical beauty is important, of course, but to love someone, you have to find more than just their appearance appealing.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Deleted my post (on second thought, seemed like it might some off as mean-spirited), but with your quote that's pretty ineffective.

Eh, doesn't bother me. Just thought it was a interesting topic, guess not.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by sachmo71

Physical beauty is important, of course, but to love someone, you have to find more than just their appearance appealing.

all I need is a rag and some chloroform and *poof*, loving.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

all I need is a rag and some chloroform and *poof*, loving.

I hope you have some standards, actually the only standard being female?

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by gottimd

I hope you have some standards, actually the only standard being female?

human as well. and not smelly looking.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

human as well. and not smelly looking.

So it's ok if they are actually smelly, just so long as they're not smelly-looking?

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So it's ok if they are actually smelly, just so long as they're not smelly-looking?

My instincts are honed here. If you look smelly, you are smelly.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

all I need is a rag and some chloroform and *poof*, loving.

Quagmire?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Quagmire?

Giggity Giggity...


Edited: Fixed.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Damn. Especially since Galaxy's join date is that same as his last visited.

Yeah, for some reason, I couldn't log on to my account then, and got a new computer. Just figured I start a new account. Call me lazy.

[Qwikshot]

I believe that physical beauty can be the first action of desire. But I think that most men will settle for a little less if there is a connection (and when I mean less, I don't mean to belittle or degrade).

I dated a very attractive woman, but she lacked other qualities to make the realtionship desirable or endurable. Now when I look at potential dates, I can definitely define whether the woman is relationship material, or simply fling material.

I'm sure the opposite is focused upon me too.

I have read books like the "Game" which is essentially about a guy frustrated with not being able to date "attractive women". You know, all those, self-help books, but I found amazing is that mainly psychology plays a big part in being desirable.

This is not to say cocky and funny works (amazingly there is a chapter on this method) and the author concurred that that while cocky and funny did not always outright win, he did stay longer in the rounds, than say, the nice guy.

Do I think that love can transcend appearance, yes...but I think that if you were to consider the first reason you talked with your significant other, it was because you saw them, and you saw something about them that made you compelled to find more out about them.

You can't find out if someone is truly a connection to you, unless you look at them first. Even online dating, the majority of connections happen because of a picture.

[gottimd]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Giddy, Giddy!

Giggity Giggity.....

[st.cronin]

If I enjoy a woman's company, her appearance will become more pleasing as time goes on; if I do not enjoy a woman's company, her appearance will become more repulsive as time goes on.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by gottimd

Giggity Giggity.....

Fixed.

[vex]

This thread confuses me.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by vexroid

This thread confuses me.

That was the Physics thread for me...liked the rabbit with a pancake on his head though.

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

If I enjoy a woman's company, her appearance will become more pleasing as time goes on; if I do not enjoy a woman's company, her appearance will become more repulsive as time goes on.

I tend to agree with this. But at the same time, it doesn't hurt. I spent a bunch of years in a variety of relationships with women who I liked okay, but...at one time or another, I can't deny that I found them less attractive. Usually, it dealt with physical appearance and having issues trying to reconcile the sort of person I wanted to be with, without feeling like some sort of shallow person.

Now that I'm with someone who I do find physically attractive, I will say that at first, I didn't think anything of it. Maybe because before we got together, neither of us thought anything would come out of it and weren't that interested. It took getting to know each other to change all of it. Well, that and my friends talking all the time - before I started dating her and was even that interested - about how hot she was. And they're downright shallow and don't care.

So...I think that it probably depends on the person and what it is that they want or what appeals to them.

[Galaxy]

This thread went to the shits......

[thetrilogy]

Over time, physical beauty will fade. You must have a deeper connection.
Someone you would die for, someone you would let use your toothbrush and vice versa. If you're planning marriage, the sex better be the best, otherwise you will look elsewhere when that part goes away. You have to have more than just the physical stuff in place. Should I say, find your 'soul mate'?

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Does it matter in today's fix-it-through-surgery-if-you-don't-like-it-society"?

I don't really have anything to add, other than that I heard a radio advertisement the other day that struck my funny bone.

Paraphrased, it went "What do you get for the person who has everything else? Plastic surgery!"

And I'm sitting there thinking "if the person has everything else, presumably that means the self-confidence to be happy with who they are and not want or need plastic surgery, yes?"

[Greyroofoo]

give me a bottle of jack daniels and physical beauty isn't nearly as important

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by thetrilogy

Over time, physical beauty will fade. You must have a deeper connection.

I disagree. Marry some stick thin chick and that's an investment that will pay off decades later.

Just kidding. I agree completely.

[Mantle2600]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

give me a bottle of jack daniels and physical beauty isn't nearly as important

Amen to that brotha!

[Izulde]

Well, beauty itself is largely culturally and individually defined.

While individual preference will inevitably trump the cultural ideal, the societal concept of beauty *will* have an affect on individual preference, whether said individual chooses to acknowledge it or not.

And no, I don't consider a high placement of physical attractiveness an indicator of shallowness. Society as a whole rewards the beautiful in ways that the less attractive can only attain through being very strong in other areas that overcome the handicap of being not so physically desireable.

It's harsh, but that's the way the world operates. Granted, there are exceptions to the rule, but those exceptions will frequently be marked by the strength in other areas I mentioned.

[CraigSca]

I'm not considered a beauty (by any means), but it's my understanding that true beauty for the female can be a double edged sword. If you're considered pretty there is a certain female contingent that will turn on you. This is mostly demonstrated in the middle school/high school years when one is at their most vulnerable. Also, there's the addition of getting looks by older males when you're very young. I can assume that in one respect these looks are nice, but also a little confusing depending on the age of the female.

Anyway...it's something I'd never have to worry about, and I chalk up a lot of these feelings to "the grass is always greener" mentality.

[WrongWay]

I hate fat people. They cost me money when I buy health insurnace, they cost me money when I pay taxes, they even cost me money when I eat at a salad bar. I think fat people should be treated like smokers, put in a seperate room or asked to stand outside completly.

And yes, I am one of them. I am in a gym or on my Climber over 10 hours a week. I am constantly on some diet or another. I have a slow metabolism, but I am not going down without a fight. Did I mention that I hate fat people?

Now ugly people I have no problem with.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by WrongWay

I hate fat people. They cost me money when I buy health insurnace,

No they don't.

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by thetrilogy

Over time, physical beauty will fade. You must have a deeper connection.
Someone you would die for, someone you would let use your toothbrush and vice versa. If you're planning marriage, the sex better be the best, otherwise you will look elsewhere when that part goes away. You have to have more than just the physical stuff in place. Should I say, find your 'soul mate'?

Good points. Just find a chick who has deep pockets. Can fix her looks with surgery, and spoil you.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No they don't.

Not sure what you mean here. If I get WrongWay's drift, he is saying the greater use of health care services cause a rise in health care costs.

That is true and that rise in cost is passed on to all users who pay a health care premium. So, are you saying over weight people do not utilze health care services to a greater degree due to their wieght or are you saying they do, but it does not cause a higher cost?

[Galaxy]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

All it's missing is talk of his business plan.

Got it done...Started on making it happen.

[WrongWay]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

That is true and that rise in cost is passed on to all users who pay a health care premium. So, are you saying over weight people do not utilze health care services to a greater degree due to their wieght or are you saying they do, but it does not cause a higher cost?

That is pretty much "Nail on the Head" right there.

Fat people, like smokers, cost me money when I buy health insurance, go to the Hospital, and even cash my pay check.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Not sure what you mean here. If I get WrongWay's drift, he is saying the greater use of health care services cause a rise in health care costs.

That is true and that rise in cost is passed on to all users who pay a health care premium. So, are you saying over weight people do not utilze health care services to a greater degree due to their wieght or are you saying they do, but it does not cause a higher cost?

It's a myth that high risk people, like smokers and fatsos, use more health care (in terms of dollars) over their lifespan than healthy people: They actually use LESS, according to studies done by Duke University.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

It's a myth that high risk people, like smokers and fatsos, use more health care (in terms of dollars) over their lifespan than healthy people: They actually use LESS, according to studies done by Duke University.

well of course! Since they usually have less of a lifespan

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

well of course! Since they usually have less of a lifespan

exactly

At any rate, even if they did, health care in our country is a free market - people pay what they are willing to pay, and many people don't pay (they just take when they need it). To dispel another myth, free market prices are not determined by cost (although the availability of a commodity can be affected by cost); they are determined by demand.