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Old 12-22-2005, 05:39 PM   #1
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Letter From mrskippy

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=108381

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Originally Posted by mrskippy

An open letter to members of FOFC (and the OOTP community too)

I sent the following to SkyDog via PM here. But, given how many of us are on FOFC, I think it's appropriate here too. In many ways, this message is just as appropriate for the OOTP community as well. I've said many silly things on this forum as well and this might explain why I've toned things down so much.

SkyDog,

Take this message FWIW. These past few months in the classroom have really changed me, forced me to look at the world in a very different way, and the future will only continue to mold even further. I work in an innercity school, with some tough students, and have learned so much about compassion. I've learned how much of an impact I have on the kids I see on a dailiy basis. While other teachers look down on them, fail them, or refuse to give them a chance, I look to help them do what others have told them isn't possible -- excel.

Being a teacher forces you to reflect. So you know, I've spent several months going back through posts I had made on FOFC and I started asking myself why I made those posts. How could I be so stupid to say the things I did? My comments were foolish, stupid, and without thought. I said hurtful things to so many people that I so dearly regret. To those I hurt, a heartfelt apology. I would never say those things today. I've learned how important it is to respect others, keep my mouth shut, and move on when necessary. Leading class discussions is like being the moderator of a forum. I've had students try to bait me into saying things, but I've learned to redirect and move on. Imagine had I done that before. I probably never would have been banned, would be a fruitful and productive member of FOFC, and perhaps better respected by my peers in the FOFC community.

Once again, my sincerest apologies to you and the entire FOFC community. I'm sorry for the hurtful comments, the mindless babble, and regret the stupid things I did on FOFC. If I could take those comments back - I would. If I could remove those comments from the forum - I would. I know I can't, but I do know that I can go back and finally admit my mistakes, what I've learned, etc.

Many blessings to you and the FOFC community this holiday season and in the New Year.

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Old 12-22-2005, 05:41 PM   #2
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Its merry christmas... damn you holiday!!!
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:42 PM   #3
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why is my question?
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Old 12-22-2005, 05:45 PM   #4
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:21 PM   #5
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I can't believe how much people care about a message board. I mean, I enjoy my time here, but if I was forced to leave for whatever reason, I wouldn't emote all over the place in grandiose fashion.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:27 PM   #6
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I can't believe how much people care about a message board. I mean, I enjoy my time here, but if I was forced to leave for whatever reason, I wouldn't emote all over the place in grandiose fashion.

well, earlier I agreed with JIMG, so I guess lightning can strike twice.

it's a freaking message board. relax.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:31 PM   #7
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Mrs kippy...shaping the minds of tomorrow's leaders.

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Old 12-22-2005, 07:08 PM   #8
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With the title "super-duper-gay."
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:11 PM   #9
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Mrs kippy...shaping the minds of tomorrow's leaders.

::shudder::

My reaction exactly: mrskippy is a teacher? Whatever happened to abuse of children? :horror:
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:20 PM   #10
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Bring him back..Or will he not accept that?


Seriously though, what's the worst that could happen?
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:22 PM   #11
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Seriously though, what's the worst that could happen?

He could post more pictures of himself in nurses shoes.....
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:58 PM   #12
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I can't believe how much people care about a message board. I mean, I enjoy my time here, but if I was forced to leave for whatever reason, I wouldn't emote all over the place in grandiose fashion.

Not that I would write a letter like mrskippy wrote, but I have made some friends here I never would have if it wasn't for FOFC... so to me it's a little bit more than your normal run of the will message board. To each his own I guess.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:06 PM   #13
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hey lets not all knock the guy for expressing regret and apologizing for the way he acted. takes a real man to do that.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:19 PM   #14
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hey lets not all knock the guy for expressing regret and apologizing for the way he acted. takes a real man to do that.

Yeah, a real super duper gay man, according to JohnGalt.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:46 PM   #15
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didn't this already happen? do we have to go back...to the future?
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:57 PM   #16
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hey lets not all knock the guy for expressing regret and apologizing for the way he acted. takes a real man to do that.

again
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:21 PM   #17
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He did do and say some stupid things, but really, how many chances did HM get? Letting him come back won't bother me at all. He already knows he would have to take a lot of shit just for coming back. If he is serious it shouldn't be an issue. If not, easy solution.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:29 PM   #18
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i agree. i'm all for second chances. hell, i think we should give Sui a second chance too. but then again he was hilarious. if not, the solution is quite easy.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:32 PM   #19
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in 2006, every jackass should get a chance to redeem themselves. If they act like a douchebag again, just fucking re-ban their ass.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:35 PM   #20
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in 2006, every jackass should get a chance to redeem themselves. If they act like a douchebag again, just fucking re-ban their ass.

that would make for an amusing week.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:35 PM   #21
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hey lets not all knock the guy for expressing regret and apologizing for the way he acted. takes a real man to do that.
Takes even bigger men to forgive...
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:52 PM   #22
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That sort of letter is exactly what that sort of person would write.

2 things to remember:

1. No matter what lucy or charlie would say or do, lucy would always pull the football away at the last moment.

2. Read up on the scorpion and the frog.
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Old 12-22-2005, 11:59 PM   #23
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in 2006, every jackass should get a chance to redeem themselves. If they act like a douchebag again, just fucking re-ban their ass.

Yes
Suicane

No
HM
Mrs Kippy
Happy29

Who the hell else am I forgetting about that got a perma-ban?
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:23 AM   #24
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Yes
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Who the hell else am I forgetting about that got a perma-ban?

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Old 12-23-2005, 12:38 AM   #25
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He had me at "open".
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:16 AM   #26
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The only way for him to ever be respected here is to retire mrskippy and start with a new username. Sorry.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:19 AM   #27
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The only way for him to ever be respected here is to retire mrskippy and start with a new username. Sorry.

I agree because I still am not sure if it is Mr. Skippy or Mrs. Kippy.

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Old 12-23-2005, 05:33 AM   #28
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The only way for him to ever be respected here is to retire mrskippy and start with a new username. Sorry.
Problem is, that has already been tried. He botched that one, too.

The thread about the board ownership and this one convince me that there's some serious revisionist thinking going on around here. He was given TWO second-chances, one with a new name (with my blessing/knowledge), and another as mrskippy. He went over the top and got himself banned both times, and he also created and posted under at least two new accounts while under suspension/banning. He's done more to justify a perma-ban-without-reconsideration than anyone I've dealt with. Further, I don't read anywhere in his post that he explicitly is asking to be reinstated, anyway. Still, I find myself actually considering it. Sheesh. Why, you ask? Read on.

The fact is that I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. I'm convinced that Horns/wigs/druez types chooseto behave the way they do on the boards. I'm sure those four in particular are perfectly capable of being "normal" members, but they seem to get a kick out of controversy, and for that I don't particularly begrudge them, but look-at-me posters create more problems than whatever entertainment value they bring, and that's why they're gone. On the other hand, from what I could tell, mrskippy wasn't acting like a jerk just to be a jerk. He truly seemed completely incapable of avoiding it. That's the sad part to me. IF I can be convinced that he's truly changed and IF he explicitly were to ask for a reinstatement, I'd consider it, but it wouldn't be in the next few days/weeks, and it would unquestionably be under a new and unrelated screen name. It would have to be a situation like Braggadocious, where he just shows up as a new poster, doesn't post 40-something times in one day (Yes, mrskippy did that under his new name the first time), and flies under the radar for an extended period of time.
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:35 AM   #29
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I understand him on some way, I would really hate to be banned from FOFC as i have good virtual friends here, i enjoy a lot talking about games, or having fun with jokes, or learning other countries cultures and traditions. I have the board always open in an IE session as i work from home so that way i feel i'm not alone, it's like working in a big room where you can raise your eyes from your computer screen to talk about something with any of your work mates to relax a bit from the work. Then after 10 minutes of talking, i go back to my screen to work. Else probably i would get burned so fast from working alone from home.

I also think that some ppl here takes other board members words too seriously. I agree banning board spammers, trolls that only do damage on every post with racist or illegal writing, or that keep posting the same crap in every thread not related, but i don't have a problem with the usual board trolls as i can always ignore them or even have a fight from time to time to send out part of your daily stress in real life, that is the only that matters. I could even get something positive on arguing with a Nazi in a board for example, to know about his reasons to think that way etc. If the thread starts to have more insults than positive discussion then i just leave it and read another one. The only thing that could want me that Nazi banned is if he posted his Nazi crap every time in a FOF strategy thread for example, but if it's into a political thread, well, everybody has a voice even if i don't like what they say.

There are some guys in all the message boards that really anyone me, because they look so stupid or always looking for a fight, sometimes i engage in the fight and most of the times i just ignore them. As i have said before, nothing a guy can say in a message board can really offend me to the point of wanting him banned. If i'm called stupid, probably i'll do it back, but apart from that, what is the real problem? What happens if somebody doesn't agree with me and we start a virtual fight? it's virtual, we can't hit each other so no any possible damage can be done to me. What could be the worst, to be called son of a bitch in a message board? well i'm 30 years old, i don't care what anybody in a message board can say about my loved mother when they don't really know me or her.

Maybe it's because i have been working in internet for 8 years already and have been part tons of different virtual communities full of trolls, but i can fully separate the real and virtual worlds and i don't react the same to the same things on each one.

I would end saying that i would give most the banned members a second, third, whatever chance if they ask forgiving. If they act like a troll again, then just ban them again, it takes seconds to click on the ban/unban button.
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Old 12-23-2005, 07:10 AM   #30
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Mrs kippy...shaping the minds of tomorrow's criminals.

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Old 12-23-2005, 07:41 AM   #31
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Bring him back..Or will he not accept that?


Seriously though, what's the worst that could happen?
I really don't want to find out. Really. Please don't.
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:02 AM   #32
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Problem is, that has already been tried. He botched that one, too.

The thread about the board ownership and this one convince me that there's some serious revisionist thinking going on around here. He was given TWO second-chances, one with a new name (with my blessing/knowledge), and another as mrskippy. He went over the top and got himself banned both times, and he also created and posted under at least two new accounts while under suspension/banning. He's done more to justify a perma-ban-without-reconsideration than anyone I've dealt with. Further, I don't read anywhere in his post that he explicitly is asking to be reinstated, anyway. Still, I find myself actually considering it. Sheesh. Why, you ask? Read on.

The fact is that I genuinely feel sorry for the guy. I'm convinced that Horns/wigs/druez types chooseto behave the way they do on the boards. I'm sure those four in particular are perfectly capable of being "normal" members, but they seem to get a kick out of controversy, and for that I don't particularly begrudge them, but look-at-me posters create more problems than whatever entertainment value they bring, and that's why they're gone. On the other hand, from what I could tell, mrskippy wasn't acting like a jerk just to be a jerk. He truly seemed completely incapable of avoiding it. That's the sad part to me. IF I can be convinced that he's truly changed and IF he explicitly were to ask for a reinstatement, I'd consider it, but it wouldn't be in the next few days/weeks, and it would unquestionably be under a new and unrelated screen name. It would have to be a situation like Braggadocious, where he just shows up as a new poster, doesn't post 40-something times in one day (Yes, mrskippy did that under his new name the first time), and flies under the radar for an extended period of time.


don't do it. it will end badly, and there are children at risk.
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:19 AM   #33
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It is just a message board. Most likely he is already posting here under a new name anyway.
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Old 12-23-2005, 12:24 PM   #34
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Bring him back..Or will he not accept that?


Seriously though, what's the worst that could happen?

So are you saying he wouldn't accept an unbanning?

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Old 12-23-2005, 12:27 PM   #35
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He's a public school teacher. In the land of stupid lawsuits, I'm surprised they can even say that now.

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Old 12-23-2005, 12:28 PM   #36
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It is just a message board. Most likely he is already posting here under a new name anyway.

You mean like... hmm... 47-post astrosfan64?

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Old 12-23-2005, 01:12 PM   #37
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I'm torn between wanting him back to make fun of him for being so self-serious and melodramatic and not wanting him back because that letter is a sure sign of a ticking time bomb.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:07 PM   #38
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I vote for reinstatement of Bragggadocioussssssss..I need my fill of hitler pictures.
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Old 12-23-2005, 03:39 PM   #39
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I vote for reinstatement of Bragggadocioussssssss..I need my fill of hitler pictures.

Hahaha

New name or old, he is still a racist homophobic douche in my book. Sieg heil!
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:22 PM   #40
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IF I can be convinced that he's truly changed
This doesn't help...

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum...ad.php?t=10075
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:24 PM   #41
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:25 PM   #42
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Honestly. Who cares?
I do, because I'd really like to see some signs of improvement.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:27 PM   #43
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I do, because I'd really like to see some signs of improvement.


That isn't even the best thread on this matter:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=108965
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That isn't even the best thread on this matter:

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=108965
Just wow.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:43 PM   #45
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Perhaps if someone can recommend something besides FOF that will suit my desire for a pro football game right now.

I'm know I'm fuming. I'll suck up to the fact that I'll never own TPF. But, if I could at least get my other licenses back, a hearty recommendation for another game to buy, and perhaps some acknowledgement from the Rahns I would be happy.
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I told myself that I wasn't going to post in either of his threads, but I must admit that I really, really, really want to direct him to Maximum Football right about now.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:46 PM   #46
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Had some enterprising soul purchased a bunch of order IDs for .400 Software Studios games, they would have been free to re-sell those items on their own (whether it be through eBay, through a display box at a store, etc.) so long as they sold the game with both licenses (intact).

Better watch out scott, you could get banned around here for saying that.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:49 PM   #47
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BTW, this isn't the first time he's done this. Remember his raving about Jim releasing his game on a sunday and how he couldn't buy it since he was at church and had to wait until the initial order backlog were sent out to get his copy?
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That there is all the info you need.

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Old 01-01-2006, 02:52 PM   #49
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That item is remarkable. Just remarkable. I should post the emails he sent me when he wanted to come back here and felt that I personally was violating his rights because he couldn't enjoy FOFC, but that would be wrong.

Suffice to say, I had to quit responding. And every support email with any kind of question gets a response here. I'm sure Farrah does the same. I can only imagine the email trail on that one.
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Old 01-01-2006, 02:53 PM   #50
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BTW, this isn't the first time he's done this. Remember his raving about Jim releasing his game on a sunday and how he couldn't buy it since he was at church and had to wait until the initial order backlog were sent out to get his copy?

No, that was someone else. And the person who did that calmed down very quickly and is actually quite a nice person. Something else was just bugging him that day.
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