Mike Martz fired...

Flasch186 · 01-02-2006, 10:14 AM

3 mikes down

GrantDawg · 01-02-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

3 mikes down

Sounds like a rap group.

Sweed · 01-02-2006, 10:56 AM

As a Ram fan I have to say this is a good thing. I always hoped he would do well but a guy that coaches from a philosophy that "turnonvers don't really matter to us" always bothered me.

As an offensive co-ordinator with a headcoach to reign him in he's a good thing.
When he's in charge of the whole show it's a different story IMHO.

GrantDawg · 01-02-2006, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweed

As a Ram fan I have to say this is a good thing. I always hoped he would do well but a guy that coaches from a philosophy that "turnonvers don't really matter to us" always bothered me.

As an offensive co-ordinator with a headcoach to reign him in he's a good thing.
When he's in charge of the whole show it's a different story IMHO.

I agree he was a good OC, but his ego is so big now that he'll never be again. He is going to get at least one more HC job and completely blow-up.

ISiddiqui · 01-02-2006, 11:13 AM

You know, in the right situation, I think he could be a damned good head coach. Such as the Detroit job is tailor made for him. I mean Hell, not like that squad could get any worse.

MizzouRah · 01-02-2006, 11:22 AM

I think he'll end up in Oakland somehow.

Oh well, there should be a nice pool of HC's to choose from.

Kodos · 01-03-2006, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I think he'll end up in Oakland somehow.

Oh well, there should be a nice pool of HC's to choose from.

He seems like a Raiders kindof guy to me too.

WSUCougar · 01-03-2006, 01:27 PM

He's an Offensive Coordinator who's offensive as a head coach. Good riddance.

rkmsuf · 01-03-2006, 01:29 PM

He doesn't impress me as all that sharp but seems like he is highly regarded. When you have Marshall Faulk in his prime it can make you look really smart.

Anthony · 01-03-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

You know, in the right situation, I think he could be a damned good head coach. Such as the Detroit job is tailor made for him. I mean Hell, not like that squad could get any worse.

Detroit would be a great fit for him.

WSUCougar · 01-03-2006, 01:40 PM

I doubt Millen would hire him. Martz is an egomaniac who wants to run the whole she-bang. Plus he's not a motivator, IMO...and the Lions need one of those, methinks.

rkmsuf · 01-03-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

I doubt Millen would hire him. Martz is an egomaniac who wants to run the whole she-bang. Plus he's not a motivator, IMO...and the Lions need one of those, methinks.

wasn't mooch a rah-rah guy?

they need a hard ass

WSUCougar · 01-03-2006, 01:47 PM

But Martz isn't a hard-ass, per se. He's a very quirky leader who thinks he's a player's coach. He's loyal to his players but a hard guy to figure out.

Anthony · 01-03-2006, 01:50 PM

he should just be an OC, that's where his strengths lie. man, those Rams team of the late 90's, early 00's were a fucking force. i thought they'd have won 3 Super Bowls before their run came to an end. what a shame.

rkmsuf · 01-03-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

But Martz isn't a hard-ass, per se. He's a very quirky leader who thinks he's a player's coach. He's loyal to his players but a hard guy to figure out.

that's what I'm saying...he isn't a fit.

rkmsuf · 01-03-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

he should just be an OC, that's where his strengths lie. man, those Rams team of the late 90's, early 00's were a fucking force. i thought they'd have won 3 Super Bowls before their run came to an end. what a shame.

but what is lost is that he was the oc this whole time. yeah he added some responsiblity but it was still the same offense. Faulk and Bruce got old and the league caught up to them. simple.

I've never been impressed with him.

WSUCougar · 01-03-2006, 02:08 PM

The Rams' offense faltered over the past few seasons for a variety of reasons, but here's a few from my perspective:

1. QB health, or lack thereof. First Warner and then Bulger. They got hammered around by defenses and were playing injured more often than not.

2. Weak offensive line play. This I pin on Martz, because he thinks he can plug anyone in and get away with it. Same goes for the TE and FB positions. He let his starters leave via free agency and then played marginal guys expecting the same results. He didn't get them.

3. Poor game management. This is a major flaw in Martz's coaching abilities. He sacrifices game management in favor of his "brilliant" offensive scheme.

4. Unwillingness to establish a running game. Sure, Faulk lost a step, but Steven Jackson is a beast when the right plays are called for him and he gets the carries. Yet Martz insists on pass-pass-pass. Yet he has no FB or TE to speak of, so the WRs get camped on. Often it's 7-yard slant, then duck and cover. Stubborn play-calling = predictable play-calling.

5. Bulger lacks Warner's accuracy. He can't hit the WRs in stride like Warner did. The big plays just aren't there.

rkmsuf · 01-03-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

The Rams' offense faltered over the past few seasons for a variety of reasons, but here's a few from my perspective:

1. QB health, or lack thereof. First Warner and then Bulger. They got hammered around by defenses and were playing injured more often than not.

2. Weak offensive line play. This I pin on Martz, because he thinks he can plug anyone in and get away with it. Same goes for the TE and FB positions. He let his starters leave via free agency and then played marginal guys expecting the same results. He didn't get them.

3. Poor game management. This is a major flaw in Martz's coaching abilities. He sacrifices game management in favor of his "brilliant" offensive scheme.

4. Unwillingness to establish a running game. Sure, Faulk lost a step, but Steven Jackson is a beast when the right plays are called for him and he gets the carries. Yet Martz insists on pass-pass-pass. Yet he has no FB or TE to speak of, so the WRs get camped on. Often it's 7-yard slant, then duck and cover. Stubborn play-calling = predictable play-calling.

5. Bulger lacks Warner's accuracy. He can't hit the WRs in stride like Warner did. The big plays just aren't there.

So why would someone conclude he'd be a great OC and lousy HC. Seems like he's lousy on both counts.

MizzouRah · 01-03-2006, 02:59 PM

The Rams went to shit because Martz couldn't keep his ass in the box as the OC, period. He took the credit for the Super Bowl victory and the Rams front office ushered Vermeil out like he was a fungus.

Raven Hawk · 01-03-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I think he'll end up in Oakland somehow.

Oh well, there should be a nice pool of HC's to choose from.

I'll agree with you and Kodos. The Black Hole is pulling him in. It is his destiny.

01-02-2006, 11:13 AM	#5
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	You know, in the right situation, I think he could be a damned good head coach. Such as the Detroit job is tailor made for him. I mean Hell, not like that squad could get any worse. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

01-03-2006, 01:27 PM	#8
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	He's an Offensive Coordinator who's offensive as a head coach. Good riddance. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

01-03-2006, 01:29 PM	#9
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	He doesn't impress me as all that sharp but seems like he is highly regarded. When you have Marshall Faulk in his prime it can make you look really smart. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

01-03-2006, 01:40 PM	#11
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	I doubt Millen would hire him. Martz is an egomaniac who wants to run the whole she-bang. Plus he's not a motivator, IMO...and the Lions need one of those, methinks. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

01-03-2006, 01:47 PM	#13
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	But Martz isn't a hard-ass, per se. He's a very quirky leader who thinks he's a player's coach. He's loyal to his players but a hard guy to figure out. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

01-02-2006, 10:56 AM	#3
Sweed College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	As a Ram fan I have to say this is a good thing. I always hoped he would do well but a guy that coaches from a philosophy that "turnonvers don't really matter to us" always bothered me. As an offensive co-ordinator with a headcoach to reign him in he's a good thing. When he's in charge of the whole show it's a different story IMHO.

01-02-2006, 11:22 AM	#6
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I think he'll end up in Oakland somehow. Oh well, there should be a nice pool of HC's to choose from.

01-03-2006, 01:50 PM	#14
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	he should just be an OC, that's where his strengths lie. man, those Rams team of the late 90's, early 00's were a fucking force. i thought they'd have won 3 Super Bowls before their run came to an end. what a shame.

01-03-2006, 02:08 PM	#17
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	The Rams' offense faltered over the past few seasons for a variety of reasons, but here's a few from my perspective: 1. QB health, or lack thereof. First Warner and then Bulger. They got hammered around by defenses and were playing injured more often than not. 2. Weak offensive line play. This I pin on Martz, because he thinks he can plug anyone in and get away with it. Same goes for the TE and FB positions. He let his starters leave via free agency and then played marginal guys expecting the same results. He didn't get them. 3. Poor game management. This is a major flaw in Martz's coaching abilities. He sacrifices game management in favor of his "brilliant" offensive scheme. 4. Unwillingness to establish a running game. Sure, Faulk lost a step, but Steven Jackson is a beast when the right plays are called for him and he gets the carries. Yet Martz insists on pass-pass-pass. Yet he has no FB or TE to speak of, so the WRs get camped on. Often it's 7-yard slant, then duck and cover. Stubborn play-calling = predictable play-calling. 5. Bulger lacks Warner's accuracy. He can't hit the WRs in stride like Warner did. The big plays just aren't there. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

01-03-2006, 02:59 PM	#19
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	The Rams went to shit because Martz couldn't keep his ass in the box as the OC, period. He took the credit for the Super Bowl victory and the Rams front office ushered Vermeil out like he was a fungus.

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