KC trying to hire Edwards as coach. Question.

Rockstar · 01-04-2006, 09:49 PM

Did they interview at least ONE non minority candidate?

RPI-Fan · 01-04-2006, 09:56 PM

Isn't Edwards a minority??

ISiddiqui · 01-04-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Isn't Edwards a minority??

He said NON minority.

Fonzie · 01-04-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Isn't Edwards a minority??

I believe he asked about non-minority candidates.

I don't believe there is a requirement about such a thing.

RPI-Fan · 01-04-2006, 10:02 PM

Doh!

Well, does the subject line remind anyone of "Dwight" from The Office?

Pumpy Tudors · 01-04-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fonzie

I don't believe there is a requirement about such a thing.

Hook, line, and sinker.

Daimyo · 01-04-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Did they interview at least ONE non minority candidate?

Didn't they interview their OC? What is the point of the question anyway?

Fonzie · 01-04-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

What is the point of the question anyway?

I'm pretty sure we can all see it coming.

Rockstar · 01-04-2006, 10:19 PM

The point is that Jerry Glanville didnt get an interview.

Eaglesfan27 · 01-04-2006, 10:21 PM

Don't forget Rich Kotite. The man is a quality coach.

kcchief19 · 01-04-2006, 10:22 PM

The NFL: Keeping the White Man in a Cowboy Hat Down

sterlingice · 01-04-2006, 10:23 PM

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed

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Draft Dodger · 01-04-2006, 10:25 PM

I know it's beside the point, but technically, they haven't interviewed a minority candidate yet either: they can't interview Edwards until compensation is agreed upon.

Fonzie · 01-04-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed

SI

Thank heavens. Them whiteys need all the help they can get.

kcchief19 · 01-04-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

I know it's beside the point, but technically, they haven't interviewed a minority candidate yet either: they can't interview Edwards until compensation is agreed upon.

I don't think the topic starter wants anyone bringing facts into this discussion.

Scarecrow · 01-04-2006, 10:29 PM

The Chiefs also interviewed Butch Davis (FWIW)

Scarecrow · 01-04-2006, 10:47 PM

DOLA...

It looks like the Chiefs won't be giving up that much!

According to Newsday...

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There were strong signals that the compensation package for Edwards could consist of fourth- and fifth-round picks, although the Chiefs were said to be pushing for fifth- and sixth-rounders. But there also were indications Wednesday night that several options, including a contract extension for Edwards, remained on the table.

Rockstar · 01-04-2006, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

I don't think the topic starter wants anyone bringing facts into this discussion.

The topic starter welcomes all opinions. The kcchief19 has his/hers and I have mine.

Draft Dodger · 01-04-2006, 10:57 PM

I'm of the opinion that Matthew McConnaughy is smokin hot

Rockstar · 01-04-2006, 11:19 PM

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I'm of the opinion that Matthew McConnaughy is smokin hot

Now THATS funny.

Butter · 01-05-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Doh!

Well, does the subject line remind anyone of "Dwight" from The Office?

Samdari · 01-05-2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Al Saunders got a token interview (current KC offensive coordinator). He won't get the job because the GM doesn't like him, but there was a whitey interviewed

SI

I don't think its a token interview. Given the high number of openings, and paucity of candidates, Saunders is almost assured to get an NFL job. I think he is still more likely to be KC coach than Edwards, and is certainly their top candidate if Edwards remains in NY.

Daimyo · 01-05-2006, 10:25 AM

I would be interested in reading the argument for why teams should be required to interview a white candidate.

rkmsuf · 01-05-2006, 10:59 AM

The better question is why another NFL team would want Herm as coach.

kcchief19 · 01-05-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

The topic starter welcomes all opinions. The kcchief19 has his/hers and I have mine.

There are opinions and there are facts. You find me ONE NFL head coach vacancy EVER where the only candidate(s) interviewed was/were miniority, and I'll stop defending the NFL's policy.

If we ever get to a point where that happens routinely, then you won't need the policy. That's the goal.

General Mike · 01-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is too much compensation for Herm. Just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he is a good coach.

Rockstar · 01-05-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

There are opinions and there are facts. You find me ONE NFL head coach vacancy EVER where the only candidate(s) interviewed was/were miniority, and I'll stop defending the NFL's policy.

If we ever get to a point where that happens routinely, then you won't need the policy. That's the goal.

The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.

GrantDawg · 01-05-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.

What policy says they are only allowed to interview minority candidates?

Rockstar · 01-05-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

What policy says they are only allowed to interview minority candidates?

The other poster wanted to know when there was ever an opening where there was ONLY minority candidates interviewed for the job. My only point is that interiews where race is even a factor is ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe that team owners should be allowed to hire who ever they want to.

GrantDawg · 01-05-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

The other poster wanted to know when there was ever an opening where there was ONLY minority candidates interviewed for the job. My only point is that interiews where race is even a factor is ridiculous. Nonetheless, I believe that team owners should be allowed to hire who ever they want to.

They are. What policy doesn't allow them to hire whom they want?

Galaxy · 01-05-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They are. What policy doesn't allow them to hire whom they want?

What he said.....Just because they have to interview a minority, doesn't mean they have to hire them.

st.cronin · 01-05-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

The better question is why another NFL team would want Herm as coach.

ding ding ding winnah

sterlingice · 01-05-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

ding ding ding winnah

Isn't Edwards widely regarded as the worst clock manager in the NFL or am I thinking of someone else?

SI

wade moore · 01-06-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

The FACTS are that an NFL owner should be able to hire who ever they want to coach and run their franchise. The very thought of being forced to interview someone based on race is laughable. If I had to choose right now who I would hire if I were starting an expansion NFL franchise it would be in this order:
1:Tony Dungy
2:Andy Reid
3: Nick Saban
4: Lovie Smith
5: Jon Gruden

Why would the NFL get to the point to where they only interview minority candidates? When its obviously wrong to ONLY consider non minority candidates they why would it be right to ONLY consider minority candidates? Thats like saying its ok to rob someone as long as its the right someone.
As long as people make race the main factor in a "quota" system it will always be a problem. When was the last time you heard ESPN say "The first Irish-American" this or that? The race card days are done. Find a new soapbox because the "majority" Americans are done trying to defend being whatever race they are.

You, sir, have an inaccurate perspective on race relations in this country.

Scarecrow · 01-06-2006, 10:39 AM

DONE DEAL!!!!!!

Only cost KC a 4th round pick

Raiders Army · 01-06-2006, 11:01 AM

Every time I see this thread, I read it as KFC trying to hire Edwards as coach.

rkmsuf · 01-06-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

DONE DEAL!!!!!!

Only cost KC a 4th round pick

Jets make out there.

Herm is a cheap imitation of Vermeil without the game managing skills or crying.

GrantDawg · 01-06-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Jets make out there.

Herm is a cheap imitation of Vermeil without the game managing skills or crying.

Maybe, but a fourth isn't a huge compensation.

rkmsuf · 01-06-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Maybe, but a fourth isn't a huge compensation.

Not at all but decent to get anything for a guy you didn't want coaching the team anyway.

gottimd · 01-06-2006, 11:42 AM

ninnys.

rkmsuf · 01-06-2006, 11:58 AM

post reported

gottimd · 01-06-2006, 12:03 PM

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post reported

I reported a post once, when I went to prom.

ninny.

General Mike · 01-06-2006, 12:20 PM

I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades.

The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap.

Cotton · 01-06-2006, 12:31 PM

Pats fans are more upset about this than Jets fans, trust me.
Herm fails upward again.

miked · 01-06-2006, 01:09 PM

What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

sterlingice · 01-06-2006, 01:14 PM

I'm not sure throwing around stats like 60% of the time in the playoffs. Neifi Perez started last year at .600, I think, but I'm not sure that merits saying he's a .600 hitter. Probably best to say 3 out of 5 years. Never mind 60%+ which makes it sound like he does it even more

That said, I'm curious to see Jets fans opinions on Herm Edwards, too.

SI

rkmsuf · 01-06-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by miked

What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented.

:shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

because he's a lousy coach. listen to the guy. nothing more than a cheerleader out there shaking everyone's hand and hugging them.

I'll buy that he is a motivator of sorts but that stuff is crap in the pros. Cowher is the only one I've seen of that ilk last. he's the exception.

Ryche · 01-06-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades.

The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap.

Well, they could hire Mike Tice. He's from Long Island and will work cheap

Daimyo · 01-06-2006, 01:59 PM

Didn't he get the Jets to the playoffs three out of his four seasons there? Seems pretty good to me considering they shared a division with the Pats and it was the Jets.

miked · 01-06-2006, 02:04 PM

Yeah, he made the playoffs with a team that probably really wasn't as good as some that missed it. He always seemed to get more out of guys than one would think. I'm not all that keen on his gameplanning, or whatever you want to call it, but he had pretty decent success without an All-Pro cast.

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Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I would be interested in reading the argument for why teams should be required to interview a white candidate.

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General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Giving up a 4th and 5th rounder is too much compensation for Herm. Just because he is a nice guy doesn't mean he is a good coach.

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General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	I would have given KC a 4th rounder to take Herm Edwards. Couldn't have been any worse than any of Bradway's other trades. The Jets won't hire a big time coach tho. They are too cheap. __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

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miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	What are the digs on Herm? Always seemed like he got more out of the Jets than I thought he would. I mean, I guess we're at a point where leading a team to the playoffs for 60+% isn't good enough, especially when they probably weren't the most talented. :shrug: I just don't know why everyone is so down on Edwards.

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'm not sure throwing around stats like 60% of the time in the playoffs. Neifi Perez started last year at .600, I think, but I'm not sure that merits saying he's a .600 hitter. Probably best to say 3 out of 5 years. Never mind 60%+ which makes it sound like he does it even more That said, I'm curious to see Jets fans opinions on Herm Edwards, too. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Didn't he get the Jets to the playoffs three out of his four seasons there? Seems pretty good to me considering they shared a division with the Pats and it was the Jets.

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miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Yeah, he made the playoffs with a team that probably really wasn't as good as some that missed it. He always seemed to get more out of guys than one would think. I'm not all that keen on his gameplanning, or whatever you want to call it, but he had pretty decent success without an All-Pro cast.

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