Outsourcing Going a Bit Too Far

sterlingice · 01-17-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spam

Dear Sir/Madam,
My name is Raghu, I am Offshore Recruiter for one of US based company called TAJ Technologies. Past from 5 years I am working for US Market sitting in India. I got your e-mail address from dice.
Sir/Madam, I want to make a name in Information Technology field. Here my request is , if you start your own organiation, you can make India as a offshore development centre as well as a consulting company.
Sir/Madam, as you know the currency value in India is very low $1 equal to Rs.45 here in India.You can do a much better business from India. In the beginning you can start with online data entry or recruiting work from here. I don't expect any remuneration for this, once fou feel that you can do good business from here, you can open your own organization here in India.

"I do appreciate your response for my concern"
Raghu

So now there are people combing for names on Dice, looking to get you to oursouce. *sigh* Not the spam I want to read while looking for a job.

SI

MrBigglesworth · 01-17-2006, 08:13 PM

I think we need to track down 'dice' and tell him/her/it to stop giving people your email.

Celeval · 01-17-2006, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I think we need to track down 'dice' and tell him/her/it to stop giving people your email.

dice = dice.com, tech jobs site

sterlingice · 01-17-2006, 08:39 PM

Whoops- my bad. Dice. I knew it was in there somewhere. Corrected above

SI

Donnie Baker · 01-17-2006, 11:32 PM

I thought maybe you were calling that line for hot and horny college girls ("I am the only Amber that is here...") ..... After about the 5th time, I figured it out.

Dutch · 01-18-2006, 12:00 AM

I would suggest a book called, "The World Is Flat" by Thomas L Friedman.

An interesting yet chilling look at outsourcing. The basic concept is before the year 2000, the US and Europe (and Japan) was disproportionately more advanced than most of the rest of the world. But China and India (in particular) are making fast strides in attempting to catch up.

They are leveling the playing field quickly (where the title of the book gets it's message from).

The author says, "In the old days parents would tell your kids, eat your dinner, there are kids in China that are starving."

But he says, parents better be changing their tune a bit and say, "Do your homework, their are kids in China starving for your future job."

What's fair is fair, if they can provide a better service for cheaper, I'm not sure i see a problem with that, minus the fact that we will lose jobs.

Reuters, for instance sent a guy to India in 2000 to see if he could find Indian tech journalists that could get information and relay it to their London office just as fast as the guys in New York could. The guy hired 6 Indians to work with him. The time difference between getting info straight from NY to London and from NY to Bangalore (India) to London was negligible (since it was all done electronically). Rueters had 3,000 employees in 2000 located primarily in NY and London. In 2005, they had 1,500 employees in Bangalore, India being paid 1/6 of what the NY and London guys were being paid. (It wasn't clear if Reuters cut 1,500 NY/London jobs or if they added 1,500 jobs or a little of both).

But so far, it's an interesting look at the present and future of globalization.

MrBigglesworth · 01-18-2006, 01:47 AM

I don't suggest reading anything by Friedman, he is absolutely brutal to get through with his misaligned metaphors and imagery. Plus his ignorance of history (saying Columbus proved the world wasn't flat for example) and policy areas such as education make it painful to read. Dutch did a good job summing up the important points of the book, reading it wouldn't add much value for you.

Crapshoot · 01-18-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

I would suggest a book called, "The World Is Flat" by Thomas L Friedman.

An interesting yet chilling look at outsourcing. The basic concept is before the year 2000, the US and Europe (and Japan) was disproportionately more advanced than most of the rest of the world. But China and India (in particular) are making fast strides in attempting to catch up.

They are leveling the playing field quickly (where the title of the book gets it's message from).

The author says, "In the old days parents would tell your kids, eat your dinner, there are kids in China that are starving."

But he says, parents better be changing their tune a bit and say, "Do your homework, their are kids in China starving for your future job."

What's fair is fair, if they can provide a better service for cheaper, I'm not sure i see a problem with that, minus the fact that we will lose jobs.

Reuters, for instance sent a guy to India in 2000 to see if he could find Indian tech journalists that could get information and relay it to their London office just as fast as the guys in New York could. The guy hired 6 Indians to work with him. The time difference between getting info straight from NY to London and from NY to Bangalore (India) to London was negligible (since it was all done electronically). Rueters had 3,000 employees in 2000 located primarily in NY and London. In 2005, they had 1,500 employees in Bangalore, India being paid 1/6 of what the NY and London guys were being paid. (It wasn't clear if Reuters cut 1,500 NY/London jobs or if they added 1,500 jobs or a little of both).

But so far, it's an interesting look at the present and future of globalization.

Ugh - I strongly disagree. Freidman is the populist choice - the man loves his tortured metaphors and cliches, and insists on co-opting the world view to his chosen "title". If you're interested, Bhagwadati wrote a much better book on the subject.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/019...Fencoding=UTF8

George · 01-18-2006, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I think we need to track down 'dice' and tell him/her/it to stop giving people your email.

Coder · 01-18-2006, 10:05 AM

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Dutch · 01-18-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I don't suggest reading anything by Friedman, he is absolutely brutal to get through with his misaligned metaphors and imagery. Plus his ignorance of history (saying Columbus proved the world wasn't flat for example) and policy areas such as education make it painful to read. Dutch did a good job summing up the important points of the book, reading it wouldn't add much value for you.

You've just placed Friedman on a pedastal. Nice job.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-18-2006, 08:34 PM

FWIW ...

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...ztechjobs.html
Published on: 01/18/06

There may be some light at the end of the tunnel for the nation's layoff-weary technology workers.

Nearly 175,000 technology workers lost their jobs last year, accounting for about 16 percent of the nation's job cuts, a leading consulting firm reported Tuesday.

But the good news is that the cuts were the smallest since the dot-com bust, providing fresh evidence that tech industry layoffs may be leveling off. Last year's job cuts were slightly less than the 176,000 or so in the previous year, according to outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc.
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According to the Challenger report, last year's tech-industry layoffs were caused mainly by mergers. "Offshoring" — moving tech jobs overseas — was less of a reason.

"Those cuts [from offshoring] were minor compared to the fallout from corporate marriages," Challenger said.

01-17-2006, 08:39 PM	#4
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Whoops- my bad. Dice. I knew it was in there somewhere. Corrected above SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

01-18-2006, 01:47 AM	#7
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	I don't suggest reading anything by Friedman, he is absolutely brutal to get through with his misaligned metaphors and imagery. Plus his ignorance of history (saying Columbus proved the world wasn't flat for example) and policy areas such as education make it painful to read. Dutch did a good job summing up the important points of the book, reading it wouldn't add much value for you. Last edited by MrBigglesworth : 01-18-2006 at 01:47 AM.

01-18-2006, 08:34 PM	#12
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	FWIW ... http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...ztechjobs.html Published on: 01/18/06 There may be some light at the end of the tunnel for the nation's layoff-weary technology workers. Nearly 175,000 technology workers lost their jobs last year, accounting for about 16 percent of the nation's job cuts, a leading consulting firm reported Tuesday. But the good news is that the cuts were the smallest since the dot-com bust, providing fresh evidence that tech industry layoffs may be leveling off. Last year's job cuts were slightly less than the 176,000 or so in the previous year, according to outplacement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas Inc. ... According to the Challenger report, last year's tech-industry layoffs were caused mainly by mergers. "Offshoring" — moving tech jobs overseas — was less of a reason. "Those cuts [from offshoring] were minor compared to the fallout from corporate marriages," Challenger said. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

01-17-2006, 08:13 PM	#2
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	I think we need to track down 'dice' and tell him/her/it to stop giving people your email.

01-17-2006, 11:32 PM	#5
Donnie Baker n00b Join Date: Sep 2005	I thought maybe you were calling that line for hot and horny college girls ("I am the only Amber that is here...") ..... After about the 5th time, I figured it out.

01-18-2006, 12:00 AM	#6
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I would suggest a book called, "The World Is Flat" by Thomas L Friedman. An interesting yet chilling look at outsourcing. The basic concept is before the year 2000, the US and Europe (and Japan) was disproportionately more advanced than most of the rest of the world. But China and India (in particular) are making fast strides in attempting to catch up. They are leveling the playing field quickly (where the title of the book gets it's message from). The author says, "In the old days parents would tell your kids, eat your dinner, there are kids in China that are starving." But he says, parents better be changing their tune a bit and say, "Do your homework, their are kids in China starving for your future job." What's fair is fair, if they can provide a better service for cheaper, I'm not sure i see a problem with that, minus the fact that we will lose jobs. Reuters, for instance sent a guy to India in 2000 to see if he could find Indian tech journalists that could get information and relay it to their London office just as fast as the guys in New York could. The guy hired 6 Indians to work with him. The time difference between getting info straight from NY to London and from NY to Bangalore (India) to London was negligible (since it was all done electronically). Rueters had 3,000 employees in 2000 located primarily in NY and London. In 2005, they had 1,500 employees in Bangalore, India being paid 1/6 of what the NY and London guys were being paid. (It wasn't clear if Reuters cut 1,500 NY/London jobs or if they added 1,500 jobs or a little of both). But so far, it's an interesting look at the present and future of globalization.

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