Will Any School Win A Football/Basketball Nat'l Title In the Same Year?

[DeToxRox]

I am sure it's been done, but maybe not.

But I want to know if anyone thinks we'll see someone pull off the football and basketball titles in the same season. I doubt it right now because schools seem to have to choose which to be a power in. Texas could do it this year but I don't see it happening, could be wrong though.

[Logan]

I think it'll happen.

Wouldn't Texas be considered the 2005 champs in football and the '06 champs in bball if they won it this season?

EDIT: Dark horse to do it this year: West Virginia.

[General Mike]

Georgia Tech almost did it back when they had Kenny Anderson.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

I doubt it right now because schools seem to have to choose which to be a power in. Texas could do it this year but I don't see it happening, could be wrong though.

That's the traditional argument, but I think we're entering a new era where it actually will make it more likely.

I think the pool of teams that have a legitimate shot at winning the national title in football is continuing to shrink. Right now, it's limited only to the upper level teams from the six BCS conferences -- if that. I think you could easily list 15 teams and find that that one of those schools will win the national title almost every year for the next 10 years.

In basketball it's a bit easier, and there are certainly basketball powers that don't play I-A football or play it well (Duke). Obviously football is the weedout -- get the 15 football schools who can win and you'll get the only teams who can do it. I think the number of teams who have a chance to win a basketball title is considerably larger -- you might have to name 50 teams before creating a pool who will win titles in the next 10 years.

What makes me think it is easier is that there are a handful of schools -- Texas being the most prominent to me -- that are positioned to do it. Texas has an in-state base strong in both sports, but they have absolutely amazing financial resources. Texas has a football budget higher than some other teams in the Big XII's whole ahtletic department budget -- and that gap is getting wider.

Why does that make a difference? Because Texas has absolutely amazing facilities to wow and pamper recruits. They can literally get almost any recruit they want in either sport. The only thing really holding them back is coaching, but I think they have two great coaches right now.

Texas is obviously a team that has a chance to win the basketball title this year. If they do, they'll be the reigning champs in football, basketball and baseball. They are creating a dynasty -- and I don't see an end in sight.

[Swaggs]

Part of the difficulty is that you can name a handful of traditional basketball powers, that are almost always in the hunt, that have very little chance of ever reaching a BCS bowl:

Kansas
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
UConn
Indiana

[panerd]

Originally Posted by General Mike

Georgia Tech almost did it back when they had Kenny Anderson.

So almost is winning neither of the titles? Wasn't the national title game a few years ago against UConn the only time they have ever been to the championship?

I would have to do a little research, but I think the Kenny Anderson years co-inside with Duke and UNLV's powerhouse runs also. So I don't recall them ever really being close.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

So almost is winning neither of the titles? Wasn't the national title game a few years ago against UConn the only time they have ever been to the championship?

I would have to do a little research, but I think the Kenny Anderson years co-inside with Duke and UNLV's powerhouse runs also. So I don't recall them ever really being close.

Neither of the titles?

Umm, they won the football championship, buddy.

[vex]

Originally Posted by panerd

I would have to do a little research, but I think the Kenny Anderson years co-inside with Duke and UNLV's powerhouse runs also. So I don't recall them ever really being close.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Part of the difficulty is that you can name a handful of traditional basketball powers, that are almost always in the hunt, that have very little chance of ever reaching a BCS bowl:

Kansas
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
UConn
Indiana

I would add Illinois, Villanova, & Michigan State to that list.

And also some football powerhouses that will never win the NCAA basketball tournament...

USC
Notre Dame
Miami
Penn State

[panerd]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Neither of the titles?

Umm, they won the football championship, buddy.

One of those half co-titles? We might as well count finishing second in basketball also.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

One of those half co-titles? We might as well count finishing second in basketball also.

Ok, were they or were they not football national champions?

The answer is they were.


And, they made the final four that year, also (where they lost to champions UNLV by the a huge nine point margin ).

Did you get an application to Tech rejected or something?

[HerRealName]

I could see Ohio State as preseason top 5 in both next year but still long shots to get it done in either sport.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

Ok, were they or were they not football national champions?

The answer is they were.


And, they made the final four that year, also (where they lost to champions UNLV by the a huge nine point margin ).

Did you get an application to Tech rejected or something?

I just didn't agree with the statement that they almost did it. UNLV was a monster team that year. So they not only would have had to beat UNLV (which they didn't) they would have also had to beat Duke.

[RPI-Fan]

Originally Posted by panerd

I just didn't agree with the statement that they almost did it. UNLV was a monster team that year. So they not only would have had to beat UNLV (which they didn't) they would have also had to beat Duke.

I simply don't understand this argument.

They played a single-digit game with UNLV in the semifinals. (read: They almost won the basketball title)

They did WIN the football national title.

They won one, and almost won the other. Thereby, they almost won both titles.

Not a very hard concept...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by panerd

... they would have also had to beat Duke.

Which isn't exactly a far-fetched possibility, considering Tech lost by 5 at home to them early in the year, lost by only 2 at Cameron & then beat them 83-72 in the ACC semi-finals.

[Vegas Vic]

Oklahoma played for the national championship in football and basketball in the 1987 season. The 11-0 football team lost to 11-0 Miami, 20-14 in the Jan. 1988 Orange Bowl, and the basketball team lost to Kansas, 83-79 in the April 1988 NCAA championship game.

AFAIK, they're the only team to actually play for the national championship in both sports in the modern era.

[GreenMonster]

Until Uconn football becomes better, I believe the answer is no..

[Swaggs]

Michigan would have been a good candidate for this 10 or 15 years ago.

What the hell happened to their basketball program? When I was in Junior High, they were an elite basketball program. Now, it seems like they are a second tier basketball team in the B10.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Michigan would have been a good candidate for this 10 or 15 years ago.

What the hell happened to their basketball program? When I was in Junior High, they were an elite basketball program. Now, it seems like they are a second tier basketball team in the B10.

Same thing that happened with UNLV basketball and I am almost ashamed to admit it, Mizzou basketball. They stopped bribing players to come to their school. How many people have been implicated in the Fab Five scandal? Isn't it amazing that the five players all were so innocent while everyone else involved was dirty?

[panerd]

So you guys have all proven that you are able to look up the results of the 1990 championship game using a google/yahoo search engine. Apperently none of you actually remember the game. I will discuss this with any GT fan that wants to argue with me about the game, but I am afraid I can't discuss the halftime and final score with you guys who looked in up at basketball-statistics.com. UNLV was getting beat in this game and then during the second half they realized this was their chance to win it all and completly dominated for like the last 10 minutes. If anyone wants to dispute these facts (I have a good recollection from that year. It was when I first got into college basketball and was the year Mizzou was upset in the first round by Northern Iowa and when Hank Gathers died) feel free to. I may be somewhat off, but my recollection comes from watching the games, not looking up numbers.

[mauchow]

Wisconsin's chances are increasing every year, although you may argue that with Alvarez's leave.

[cthomer5000]

Rutgers 2012

[Logan]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

I could see Ohio State as preseason top 5 in both next year but still long shots to get it done in either sport.

Good call. Who knows how much Oden could dominate and what the other incoming freshman could add.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Wisconsin's chances are increasing every year, although you may argue that with Alvarez's leave.

Football I don't see - there's just not the kind of recruiting base that Ohio State or Texas has easy access to. I could see basketball and hockey in the same year.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by panerd

So you guys have all proven that you are able to look up the results of the 1990 championship game using a google/yahoo search engine. Apperently none of you actually remember the game.

I don't think the game matters a damn bit. Other than the Oklahoma run where they made the national title game in two sports in one year(losing both) Georgia Tech winning the national title in football and making the final four in basketball is the closest anyone has come. Just because they didn't have a prayer against UNLV doesn't mean they didn't "almost" do it.

Also, if you want to discredit the football national title, discredit Colorado's half. 5th down anyone?


Note: I don't give a rats ass about Georgia Tech in basketball, other than the fact they are an ACC team that isn't Duke, so I like them. My Tar Heels aren't going to be a part of this dual national title discussion though(other than stopping a team like texas from doing it in the future of course)


Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida would be the teams that come to mind that have a chance at doing it. However, those happen to be 3 teams that in the past 10 years or so I haven't really considered natinoal title contenders in basketball even when ranked in the top 10, one great season by TJ Ford notwithstanding.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by panerd

So you guys have all proven that you are able to look up the results of the 1990 championship game using a google/yahoo search engine.

Yes, UNLV beat Duke 103-73.

[Daimyo]

Indiana almost did it winning basketball in '87 and football in '88... except it was the other football...

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Part of the difficulty is that you can name a handful of traditional basketball powers, that are almost always in the hunt, that have very little chance of ever reaching a BCS bowl:

Kansas
Kentucky
UNC
Duke
UConn
Indiana

UConn is a sleeping giant in football. Given they are the public school with the most resources in the Northeast (that has not philosophically moved their athletic department to the midwest) many expect them to come to be the best program in the BE in a few years. I would be stunned if the don't make a BCS bowl in the next 5 or 6 years.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Samdari

UConn is a sleeping giant in football. Given they are the public school with the most resources in the Northeast (that has not philosophically moved their athletic department to the midwest) many expect them to come to be the best program in the BE in a few years. I would be stunned if the don't make a BCS bowl in the next 5 or 6 years.

The only way I can see UConn becoming a football power is if they use those resources to hire a big time, established head coach. Edsall is a good coach (and I actually suspect that he will end up at Syracuse at some time in the next few years), but he cannot go down to Florida or Georgia or Louisiana and clean up.

An interesting sidenote: It will be interesting to see how UConn will do in the post-Calhoun era. To me, he is similar to a Bowden at FSU or Paterno at PSU, where they have been there for all of their schools' successes.

[BuffaloHuskey]

I believe that UConn football will be a national contender in the next 5 years. Not sure they will ever be good enough to win it all, but they should contend for the BE title. The football team has made great strides in only a few years of Div. I competition and they should be able to clean up recruiting in the Northeast. The success of the basketball team has already helped with recruiting and will continue to help them in the future.

When Calhoun retires, I expect that either Carl Hobbs (George Washington) or Dave Leito (Virginia) will become the next head coach. Both have had very successful coaching careers to date, and they are Calhoun disciples.