Guns don't shoot people - vice presidents do

Yossarian · 02-12-2006, 03:22 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4707354.stm

d'oh!

SackAttack · 02-12-2006, 03:25 PM

Except, y'know, he didn't kill anybody.

Now if you want to rephrase that to say "Guns don't shoot people - vice presidents do," you'd have an accurate headline.

Easy Mac · 02-12-2006, 03:29 PM

i can see that dog laughing at Cheney right now... Fuck you Duck Hunt!

terpkristin · 02-12-2006, 03:29 PM

Yeah, I saw this article on FARK. That was crazy. [the rest edited because I'm chickens**t and I like my job and something tells me getting arrested wouldn't look good]

/tk

cartman · 02-12-2006, 03:36 PM

I'm sure at the time wearing the Osama mask and turban sounded like a funny prank to play on Cheney.

twothree · 02-12-2006, 03:37 PM

So, Dick Cheney was hunting (Dan) quail (Do all vice-presidents get to hunt former vice-presidents?) and shot Harry Whittington instead.

Hmmm...this story must have also involved time travel, since I thought Harry Whittington died in 1990.

gstelmack · 02-12-2006, 03:50 PM

I checked the CNN story and it has an important detail left out of the original story: Harry Whittington is a lawyer. There go you liberals, leaving out an important detail to make the story sound worse for the Adiministration than it really is

(apologies to all the lawyers on the board, but I couldn't resist the easy lawyer joke...)

twothree · 02-12-2006, 04:00 PM

Must be lawyer hunting season down in Texas.

"Be vewy, vewy, quiet. I'm hunting lawyers. Hehehe."

M GO BLUE!!! · 02-12-2006, 05:58 PM

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The local sheriff's department is investigating the incident.

Uh huh. Sure... How exactly does a local sheriff investigate something like the Vice President shooting another man? "Mr. Cheney... We need you to come downtown with us and answer a few questions." Right. Sure. Yup.

Vegas Vic · 02-12-2006, 06:05 PM

He finally got fed up with the "Chickenhawk" Cheney nickname, and he wanted to show all those naysayers how well he could have done in combat if he hadn't gotten those six deferments.

Buccaneer · 02-12-2006, 06:18 PM

A duel involving a VP? That's so old school.

Rizon · 02-12-2006, 06:23 PM

Cheney should coach college b-ball.

sterlingice · 02-12-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Cheney should coach college b-ball.

I hear a certain Big XII program to the east of here is hiring

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cthomer5000 · 02-12-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

A duel involving a VP? That's so old school.

You probably had front row seats for Burr-Hamilton.

Karlifornia · 02-12-2006, 11:06 PM

Reminds me of an Aerosmith tune...Cheney's Got A Gun

EagleFan · 02-12-2006, 11:31 PM

or a little more 'old school'....

Cheney's got a gun, he's on the run.
Confusion in his mind, the blind leads the blind.
Oh, Cheney's gotta gun, he's gonna shoot ya down.
He's got evil in his eyes, gotta reason to despise.
There's danger in the air.
...

Glengoyne · 02-13-2006, 12:04 AM

Just Fucking Amateur.

He's supposed to be an experienced, responsible hunter, and he pulls some college boy, first time out with a gun stunt. This is the kind of thing the drunk assholes that "hunt" on the property across the street from our place pull. In fact I am actually interested if alcohol was involved.

sterlingice · 02-13-2006, 12:10 AM

Hey! A local boy! I saw they took him to the hospital I was born at

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Huckleberry · 02-13-2006, 08:07 AM

flere-imsaho · 02-13-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Just Fucking Amateur.

He's supposed to be an experienced, responsible hunter, and he pulls some college boy, first time out with a gun stunt. This is the kind of thing the drunk assholes that "hunt" on the property across the street from our place pull. In fact I am actually interested if alcohol was involved.

Plus, I wonder if this was one of those "captive hunt" events, that he's taken part in before. For those who don't know, essentially what happens is a bunch of guys stand around in a field, and handlers release, near them, quail that have been farm-raised just for this purpose.

I've never seen the point in that.

Jesse_Ewiak · 02-13-2006, 08:33 AM

Hmm....18 hour delay between it happening and it being released. If there was an 18 hour delay of a report that Clinton took a piss, Republicans would be trying to call it ToiletGate.

Butter · 02-13-2006, 08:35 AM

Without being political, what sort of charges does one normally face when involved in an accidental shooting during a hunt? Does the person that was shot have to press charges, or is it an automatic sort of thing? I'm actually curious, not trying to destroy Cheney here. Is it some kind of "reckless endangering" charge or something similar?

JPhillips · 02-13-2006, 08:45 AM

I really hate the way the victim is being blamed for not announcing himself. If there's one thing I learned in my Boy Scout gun safety training(probably the NRA course but I don't recall) its that anything that happens with a gun is the shooters responsibility.

Kodos · 02-13-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

or a little more 'old school'....

Cheney's got a gun, he's on the run.
Confusion in his mind, the blind leads the blind.
Oh, Cheney's gotta gun, he's gonna shoot ya down.
He's got evil in his eyes, gotta reason to despise.
There's danger in the air.
...

Can you feel it in the air?
There's danger in the air!
Danger... Such a strange emotion...

This is taking strong on defense too far!

cartman · 02-13-2006, 08:53 AM

The talking points on this are already coming out. There are talking heads actually saying with a straight face "This kind of thing happens all the time with bird hunters". Jeebus, how do people take these folks seriously?

PSUColonel · 02-13-2006, 09:04 AM

I still say to this day: "Blaming guns for crime is like blaming the spoon for Rosie O'Donell

Jesse_Ewiak · 02-13-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I really hate the way the victim is being blamed for not announcing himself. If there's one thing I learned in my Boy Scout gun safety training(probably the NRA course but I don't recall) its that anything that happens with a gun is the shooters responsibility.

Yeah, but that would mean the upper levels in the administration taking blame for anything.

stevew · 02-13-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Plus, I wonder if this was one of those "captive hunt" events, that he's taken part in before. For those who don't know, essentially what happens is a bunch of guys stand around in a field, and handlers release, near them, quail that have been farm-raised just for this purpose.

I've never seen the point in that.

Yeah, i remember reading about him shooting like hundreds of birds in a hunt like this. Was actually a bit perverse IMO. Hunting for food or for pelt or for rack is one thing, but to just shoot at hundreds of birds for fun is pretty lousy.

Kodos · 02-13-2006, 09:18 AM

I say, give the birds guns and make it a fair fight!

albionmoonlight · 02-13-2006, 09:24 AM

The Talking Points Memo seems a bit obsessed with this incident. He's got some analysis for those that care:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Oilers9911 · 02-13-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Yeah, i remember reading about him shooting like hundreds of birds in a hunt like this. Was actually a bit perverse IMO. Hunting for food or for pelt or for rack is one thing, but to just shoot at hundreds of birds for fun is pretty lousy.

Agreed. Hunting for "sport" is just the most retarded thing out there. It's dumb enough in the wild where the animals are actually sometimes tough to find but on a game farm where they basically give you the animal (or birds) and say here shoot them, it's assinine. Killing for sport is for idiots. Apologies to any hunters on the board....well not really.

sterlingice · 02-13-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos

I say, give the birds guns and make it a fair fight!

C'mon, give 'em ray guns, Kodos

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sterlingice · 02-13-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers9911

Agreed. Hunting for "sport" is just the most retarded thing out there. It's dumb enough in the wild where the animals are actually sometimes tough to find but on a game farm where they basically give you the animal (or birds) and say here shoot them, it's assinine. Killing for sport is for idiots. Apologies to any hunters on the board....well not really.

My dad wasn't a hunter but he did fish a lot. And one thing he never did was catch and release unless it was too small (ie below the legal limit- "I'll let those go and grow back into big fish to catch next year"). If we caught it, we ate it

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Glengoyne · 02-13-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I really hate the way the victim is being blamed for not announcing himself. If there's one thing I learned in my Boy Scout gun safety training(probably the NRA course but I don't recall) its that anything that happens with a gun is the shooters responsibility.

I felt the same way when I heard the characterization that "Whinnington approached from behind unanounced." That is just garbage. First they were hunting. You don't announce your presense when you are hunting. Second, actually it is a cardinal rule of handling firearms that you do not turn around to track a target you are aiming at. If it moves behind you..you missed the shot. If you turn around to take the shot you are endangering people who were standing "safely" behind you.

Buccaneer · 02-13-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse_Ewiak

Hmm....18 hour delay between it happening and it being released. If there was an 18 hour delay of a report that Clinton took a piss, Republicans would be trying to call it ToiletGate.

It would have taken Clinton that long just to organize a polling group to see whether he should take a piss or not.

Swaggs · 02-13-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

It would have taken Clinton that long just to organize a polling group to see whether he should take a piss or not.

If it was Clinton, I am sure there would already be an independent counsel investigating attempted murder. (Since this thread was about Clinton

)

gstelmack · 02-13-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

If it was Clinton, I am sure there would already be an independent counsel investigating attempted murder. (Since this thread was about Clinton

)

And it would take Clinton 3 months of searching through the Whitehouse to find the gun involved in the incident (hey, we weren't the first to bring Clinton into the thread...)

EagleFan · 02-13-2006, 10:21 PM

But it was just a lawyer, not an actual human....

Tigercat · 02-13-2006, 11:10 PM

See, I won't argue against someone enjoying hunting for sport. But stocked land with a shotgun? Isn't that like fishing out of an aquarium full of fish with 10 lines in the water?

Give me some serious tough sport, like going after wild turkeys with a bow and arrow!

MrBigglesworth · 02-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigercat

See, I won't argue against someone enjoying hunting for sport. But stocked land with a shotgun? Isn't that like fishing out of an aquarium full of fish with 10 lines in the water?

Give me some serious tough sport, like going after wild turkeys with a bow and arrow!

When you're a fat old guy with a heart condition, your options for sport are somewhat limited.

Coop · 02-13-2006, 11:57 PM

http://home.comcast.net/~kennedyl079/cheney.gif

Honolulu_Blue · 02-13-2006, 11:58 PM

I just love looking at the different headlines about this story.

www.foxnews.com

"PRESS ATTACKS"

www.cbsnews.com

"Questions Persist Over Cheney Shooting"

Fox News... Just no shame there what so ever.

sterlingice · 02-14-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I just love looking at the different headlines about this story.

www.foxnews.com

"PRESS ATTACKS"

www.cbsnews.com

"Questions Persist Over Cheney Shooting"

Fox News... Just no shame there what so ever.

Yet, remember those lovely studies about how Fox's news is just to the left of center and it was just their other 23 hours a day of programming that was super right wing

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Glengoyne · 02-14-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Yet, remember those lovely studies about how Fox's news is just to the left of center and it was just their other 23 hours a day of programming that was super right wing

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Hey I maintain that as a whole, I find the Fox-News(the News) to be less biased than CNN, or than the AP for that matter. However when they do lean right...they don't screw around. Much more aggregious than your average CNN or AP story. The other 20 someodd hours on Fox, is pretty much Balderdash though.

MrBigglesworth · 02-14-2006, 12:16 AM

Rob Courdry Daily Show Vice Presidential Firearms Mishap Analyst: Jon, tonight the Vice President is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Whittington. Now according to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time there were quail in the brush. And while the quail turned out to be a 78 year old man, even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face. Jon, he believes the world is a better place for his spreading buckshot throughout the entire region of Mr. Whittington's face.

Jon: Rob, why if he had known that Mr. Whittington was not a bird, if he'd had that information Rob, why would the Vice President still have shot him in the face?

Rob: Good question. Jon, in a post 9/11 world the American people expect their leaders to be decisive. To not have shot his friend in the face would have sent a message to the quail that America is weak.

Jon: Rob, that is, I have to say, to my ears that is horrible that he would still do that.

Rob: Look Jon the mere fact that we're even talking about how the Vice President drives up with his rich friends, in cars, to shoot farm raised, wingless quailtards, is letting the quail know how we're hunting them. Jig's up Jon, quails 1, America 0.

Jon: On a purely human level, on a human level, is the Vice President at least sorry?

Rob: Jon what difference does it make, the bullets are already in the man's face!

ThunderingHERD · 02-14-2006, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

Rob Courdry Daily Show Vice Presidential Firearms Mishap Analyst: Jon, tonight the Vice President is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Whittington. Now according to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time there were quail in the brush. And while the quail turned out to be a 78 year old man, even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face. Jon, he believes the world is a better place for his spreading buckshot throughout the entire region of Mr. Whittington's face.

Jon: Rob, why if he had known that Mr. Whittington was not a bird, if he'd had that information Rob, why would the Vice President still have shot him in the face?

Rob: Good question. Jon, in a post 9/11 world the American people expect their leaders to be decisive. To not have shot his friend in the face would have sent a message to the quail that America is weak.

Jon: Rob, that is, I have to say, to my ears that is horrible that he would still do that.

Rob: Look Jon the mere fact that we're even talking about how the Vice President drives up with his rich friends, in cars, to shoot farm raised, wingless quailtards, is letting the quail know how we're hunting them. Jig's up Jon, quails 1, America 0.

Jon: On a purely human level, on a human level, is the Vice President at least sorry?

Rob: Jon what difference does it make, the bullets are already in the man's face!

That is hilarious.

DanGarion · 02-15-2006, 10:06 AM

02-12-2006, 03:29 PM	#4
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02-12-2006, 03:50 PM	#7
gstelmack Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cary, NC	I checked the CNN story and it has an important detail left out of the original story: Harry Whittington is a lawyer. There go you liberals, leaving out an important detail to make the story sound worse for the Adiministration than it really is (apologies to all the lawyers on the board, but I couldn't resist the easy lawyer joke...) __________________ -- Greg -- Author of various FOF utilities

02-12-2006, 11:06 PM	#15
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Reminds me of an Aerosmith tune...Cheney's Got A Gun __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

02-13-2006, 12:04 AM	#17
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Just Fucking Amateur. He's supposed to be an experienced, responsible hunter, and he pulls some college boy, first time out with a gun stunt. This is the kind of thing the drunk assholes that "hunt" on the property across the street from our place pull. In fact I am actually interested if alcohol was involved. Last edited by Glengoyne : 02-13-2006 at 01:03 AM.

02-12-2006, 03:25 PM	#2
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	Except, y'know, he didn't kill anybody. Now if you want to rephrase that to say "Guns don't shoot people - vice presidents do," you'd have an accurate headline.

02-12-2006, 03:29 PM	#3
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	i can see that dog laughing at Cheney right now... Fuck you Duck Hunt!

02-12-2006, 03:37 PM	#6
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	So, Dick Cheney was hunting (Dan) quail (Do all vice-presidents get to hunt former vice-presidents?) and shot Harry Whittington instead. Hmmm...this story must have also involved time travel, since I thought Harry Whittington died in 1990.

02-12-2006, 04:00 PM	#8
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	Must be lawyer hunting season down in Texas. "Be vewy, vewy, quiet. I'm hunting lawyers. Hehehe."

02-12-2006, 06:05 PM	#10
Vegas Vic Checkraising Tourists Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cocoa Beach, FL	He finally got fed up with the "Chickenhawk" Cheney nickname, and he wanted to show all those naysayers how well he could have done in combat if he hadn't gotten those six deferments.

02-12-2006, 06:18 PM	#11
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	A duel involving a VP? That's so old school.

02-12-2006, 11:31 PM	#16
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	or a little more 'old school'.... Cheney's got a gun, he's on the run. Confusion in his mind, the blind leads the blind. Oh, Cheney's gotta gun, he's gonna shoot ya down. He's got evil in his eyes, gotta reason to despise. There's danger in the air. ...

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02-13-2006, 08:33 AM	#21
Jesse_Ewiak Banned Join Date: Apr 2004	Hmm....18 hour delay between it happening and it being released. If there was an 18 hour delay of a report that Clinton took a piss, Republicans would be trying to call it ToiletGate.

02-13-2006, 08:35 AM	#22
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Without being political, what sort of charges does one normally face when involved in an accidental shooting during a hunt? Does the person that was shot have to press charges, or is it an automatic sort of thing? I'm actually curious, not trying to destroy Cheney here. Is it some kind of "reckless endangering" charge or something similar? __________________ My listening habits Last edited by Butter : 02-13-2006 at 08:35 AM.

02-13-2006, 08:45 AM	#23
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I really hate the way the victim is being blamed for not announcing himself. If there's one thing I learned in my Boy Scout gun safety training(probably the NRA course but I don't recall) its that anything that happens with a gun is the shooters responsibility. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

02-13-2006, 08:53 AM	#25
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	The talking points on this are already coming out. There are talking heads actually saying with a straight face "This kind of thing happens all the time with bird hunters". Jeebus, how do people take these folks seriously? __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 02-13-2006 at 08:53 AM.

02-13-2006, 09:04 AM	#26
PSUColonel Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wayne, PA	I still say to this day: "Blaming guns for crime is like blaming the spoon for Rosie O'Donell

02-13-2006, 09:18 AM	#29
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I say, give the birds guns and make it a fair fight!

02-13-2006, 09:24 AM	#30
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The Talking Points Memo seems a bit obsessed with this incident. He's got some analysis for those that care: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

02-13-2006, 10:21 PM	#38
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	But it was just a lawyer, not an actual human....

02-13-2006, 11:10 PM	#39
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	See, I won't argue against someone enjoying hunting for sport. But stocked land with a shotgun? Isn't that like fishing out of an aquarium full of fish with 10 lines in the water? Give me some serious tough sport, like going after wild turkeys with a bow and arrow!

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02-14-2006, 12:16 AM	#45
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	Rob Courdry Daily Show Vice Presidential Firearms Mishap Analyst: Jon, tonight the Vice President is standing by his decision to shoot Harry Whittington. Now according to the best intelligence available, there were quail hidden in the brush. Everyone believed at the time there were quail in the brush. And while the quail turned out to be a 78 year old man, even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists he still would have shot Mr. Whittington in the face. Jon, he believes the world is a better place for his spreading buckshot throughout the entire region of Mr. Whittington's face. Jon: Rob, why if he had known that Mr. Whittington was not a bird, if he'd had that information Rob, why would the Vice President still have shot him in the face? Rob: Good question. Jon, in a post 9/11 world the American people expect their leaders to be decisive. To not have shot his friend in the face would have sent a message to the quail that America is weak. Jon: Rob, that is, I have to say, to my ears that is horrible that he would still do that. Rob: Look Jon the mere fact that we're even talking about how the Vice President drives up with his rich friends, in cars, to shoot farm raised, wingless quailtards, is letting the quail know how we're hunting them. Jig's up Jon, quails 1, America 0. Jon: On a purely human level, on a human level, is the Vice President at least sorry? Rob: Jon what difference does it make, the bullets are already in the man's face! Last edited by MrBigglesworth : 02-14-2006 at 01:06 AM.

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