2006 Yahoo Fantasy Baseball

[sterlingice]

Ok, I'm looking to start 2 FOFC Baseball leagues.


League 1
The first is a deep league- 16 teams, 6x6 H2H, and a lot of roster (24 spots, see below) so that's about half the league drafted. I'm still tweaking the final rules and would like any input. I think there needs to be more stuff for SPs and more IPs. It has a live draft, set for Sat Mar 4 6:30pm CST.

Roster Positions:	C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, IF, LF, CF, RF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories:	R, HR, RBI, SB, OBP, SLG, W, L, SV, K, ERA, WHIP

League ID#: 94648
Password: dola


A couple of notes: I'm not wedded to either the stat categories or roster positions yet so I'll be tweaking those in the next few days. Any comments are welcome



League 2
The second is a "hardcore" league- 12 teams, 8x8 H2H, and a smaller roster (21 spots). I'm also still tweaking the final rules and would like input.

This one is going to be a slow live draft. For those unfamiliar, it's basically an email draft where a person has 24 hours to make their pick via email (or get list picked- too many and they get kicked from the league and another owner can join with their roster and finish the draft). This one will get started as soon as the rules are finalized and the league roster set- probably early next week.

Roster Positions:	C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories:	R, HR, RBI, SB, FPCT, AVG, OBP, SLG, W, L, SV, SVOP, ERA, WHIP, K/BB, K/9

League ID#: 94672
Password: doubledola



Other
There's one thing that won't fly, tho- I have saved FOFC leagues I have played in from year's past and if there's anyone who has abandoned leagues, they're going to get kicked out. One of the current hockey leagues is an 18 team league: we have a total of 3 abandoned teams and it's great. I'm going to be going over these lists once the league is getting closer to full and getting rid of people who have abandoned teams in the past. If there's a good reason, then PM me and I'll decide if you can stick around.

Also, I'd try to get a different mix of people in each league so try to pick one or the other. Tho, maybe later we can fill spots in one or the other if there aren't enough.

SI

[Sublime 2]

Sublime_2's Fat Bastards are signed up in the hardcore league!

[RGunner]

im signed up in league 1 as the gunners

[kingfc22]

Fremont Firebirds are ready for league 2

[sterlingice]

Both leagues have their charms- you need to both be quick on your feet and good at knowing the depth of large leagues in the larger one whereas the second one is more "hardcore" and you have to have the patience and persistence to put up with a slow, live email draft (frankly, my favorite format as it allows a decent amount of time to make your decision)

SI

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

(frankly, my favorite format as it allows a decent amount of time to make your decision)

SI

Exactly why I chose this league.

[QuikSand]

I am not familiar with "Save Opportunties" as a category, assuming that's what SvOp is.

Am I misunderstanding, os is this just some weird way to try to keep closers being worth a damn? And don't you end up basically rewarding all sorts of pitchers who just come into games in "close and late" situations, regardless of whether they are actually successful in their efforts?

[Arctus]

Signed up in League 1 as the Bombay Sapphires

[JeeberD]

In on League 1!

[Toddiec]

I am in League 1 as The Cover Team! I had a good time in the FOFC Baseball League last year and I look forward to another year of tough competition.

[Simms]

Signed up for League 2. (Name Withheld)

[mrkilla22]

Signed up on League #1 as the Crazydoods.

[bosshogg23]

I joined up in league 1.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I am not familiar with "Save Opportunties" as a category, assuming that's what SvOp is.

Am I misunderstanding, os is this just some weird way to try to keep closers being worth a damn? And don't you end up basically rewarding all sorts of pitchers who just come into games in "close and late" situations, regardless of whether they are actually successful in their efforts?

Whoops- I thought I had gotten rid of that. I originally wanted Sv/Blown Sv- kindof the W/L dichotomy where just because you can run the most pitchers out there for the week doesn't mean you win the counting stats. But I don't think there were BS's and I meant to change that but didn't.

I kindof wanted to do another RP stat since in an 8x8, RPs won't be nearly as valuable but, well, holds suck- I've played in leagues with holds before- it's stupid as it is so variable from month to month, you might as well be throwing darts at a dart board. And let's not even talk about year to year where the top 10 maybe have 1 or 2 repeats. And it's impossible to find stats for them.

It was like a a friend of mine who played in a 6x6 league last year and triples were a category to give more emphasis to spead. Triples?!? Chone Figgins with his multi-positions, SBs, and 3Bs might as well have been the MVP.

Instead, I added K's as a counting stat as there are a lot of rate stats in that league but not a lot of counting stats- gotta have both quality and quantity.

Any other suggestions?

SI

[Simms]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Any other suggestions?

SI

I may be firmly in the minority here (and if that's the case, I'm fine keeping it as is), but I've never been a huge fan of h2h leagues in sports not named football. The hockey experience this year as reaffirmed that, as far as I'm concerned.

I mean, h2h is not horrible, by any means, but I find myself longing for straight-up rotisserie-style scoring again.

Don't suppose there's any chance of that?

[sterlingice]

Probably not- I really am not a fan of roto. I like fantasy point h2h most or, in this case, stat h2h but roto is just so stale to me as you rarely see any movement in the standings beyond the first month. It's not to say you can't pick up a point or two, but changes are just really rare. In H2H, I like that you have to play every week and every week you can move and there's importance there.

SI

[Johnny93g]

joined league 2, looks like fun

[sterlingice]

BTW, everyone in league 2 needs a valid email address that they can give out for the draft, tho I imagine we'll actually conduct it on a thread on the board since there's a timer built in.

SI

[Simms]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Probably not- I really am not a fan of roto. I like fantasy point h2h most or, in this case, stat h2h but roto is just so stale to me as you rarely see any movement in the standings beyond the first month. It's not to say you can't pick up a point or two, but changes are just really rare. In H2H, I like that you have to play every week and every week you can move and there's importance there.

SI

Fair enough.

Is it possible to do h2h without daily roster moves? With the hocky league, it seems like there's very little strategy...just move your guys in and out depending on whether or not they're playing. Needing to set a roster for a week ahead would, I think, require more decision-making.

The flip side is the potential for waning interest without the need for daily visits, but I guess that depends on how strong you feel the ownership group will be.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Simms

Fair enough.

Is it possible to do h2h without daily roster moves? With the hocky league, it seems like there's very little strategy...just move your guys in and out depending on whether or not they're playing. Needing to set a roster for a week ahead would, I think, require more decision-making.

The flip side is the potential for waning interest without the need for daily visits, but I guess that depends on how strong you feel the ownership group will be.

Yeah, but baseball is a lot different than fantasy hockey and basketball because everyone plays 5 days of the week- you do have to decide who you want to play. In "daily" leagues, I tend to only check twice a week (Sunday, Wednesday- before the off days) and it works just fine.

The problem with weekly changes is that pitching probables don't get solidified until 3-5 days in advance so if you can only put in moves on Sunday, you can extrapolate who your guy might pitch against but you also are wrong quite a bit because of injuries and managers fiddling with their rotations.

The other thing I don't really like about weekly is that you can't change up for injuries on the fly. Particularly with pitchers this is a big deal as I set a pretty high IP requirement per week (40) to limit LIMA (not Jose, the fantasy strategy) drafters- you need to have depth, not just draft a couple of elite pitchers and then sit back as they have just won all your rate stats for you. You actually have to throw 5-6 starts a week as well as your RPs.

Then there's what you mention with the lack of interest if you can't check it daily, at your leisure. Forget to set your lineup for a day, no big deal. Forget to set it for a week, people start dropping out.

I also could be backwards on this- but those are the reasons for daily moves. What's the downside of daily and the upside of weekly?

SI

[sterlingice]

Time to go back to the last couple of year's threads- I could have sworn I put some notes in there for future legaue ideas just like I did in my fantasy football thread (I'm going to make the "perfect" football league next year or at least I keep getting steps closer).

SI

[Arctus]

Ugh, I totally didn't realize that this wasn't Roto. H2H just isn't my cup of tea. I've withdrawn my team, sorry for any confusion.

Good luck to everyone.

[MizzouRah]

League 2, welcome the Troy Trojans.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Arctus

Ugh, I totally didn't realize that this wasn't Roto. H2H just isn't my cup of tea. I've withdrawn my team, sorry for any confusion.

Good luck to everyone.

No big deal. Sounds like there are quite a few roto fans in here so why don't one of you start a league and I'll post the info in the top post so everyone can see it.

SI

[TLK]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

blah.....blah.....blah.....

Hey Quik....

I'd like a rematch for our "AL" only league..... you game?

[SirFozzie]

Signed up for League 1, the Fozzie Bears

[CleBrownsfan]

Signed up for League 2 - team name: Dog Pound

[Poli]

Puke Green Sox registered League 1.

[rafini]

I'm up for doing a straight Roto league (AL, NL or both) as well if we have enough interested.

[Masked]

Signed up for league one. Would also be interested in a straight roto league.

[sterlingice]

The "hardcore" league is full but the other one still has a few spots left. I'll be doing a check later on today versus league abandoners to see if a spot opens up.

SI

[sterlingice]

Great news- I didn't find anyone in the "Hardcore" League who had dropped out in the previous 7 FOFC leagues I've played in and saved. I'll start a new thread for it shortly- I think we'll have a couple of days to do rules discussion before starting the draft- either this weekend or Monday. Everything has to be finalized before the draft.

SI

[sterlingice]

Ok, here's the thread: 2006 FOFC Hardcore Baseball League

Everyone check in so we know everyone's in.

SI

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Ok, here's the thread: 2006 FOFC Hardcore Baseball League

Everyone check in so we know everyone's in.

SI

Looks like a broken link...

[sterlingice]

Yeah, just fixed it.

SI

[dacman]

Bump for league 1 -- we have 11 teams right now so STEP UP!

[sterlingice]

Got about a week until the draft- it's next Saturday night. Hope everyone remembers and more sign up.

SI

[dacman]

Are you a wuss? No? Prove it! (bump)

[sterlingice]

Whether we have 16 teams or not, we're having the draft Saturday.

Anyone in the hardcore league, if you're not in this league and want in another, feel free to join up now.

Anyone not able to draft or have not made your draft list (you don't have to be there live, but make sure you make your list), please withdraw from the league.

SI

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Anyone not able to draft, please withdraw from the league.

SI

Wait, so if I can't be there live you want me out of the league? Even if I have my draft list set up and ready to go?

[sterlingice]

Also, it's time to do a roll call for anyone in the 16-team league. All you have to do is post here, if you're in that league.

I'm trying to weed out the people who joined and then forgot and subsequently would be inactive.

Roll Call
1. Houston Hippopotami (sterlingice)
2. Los DisAstros (JeeberD)
3. Firebirds (dacman)
4. Nine Masked Men (Masked)
5. The Cover Team (toddiec)
6. Twerp Sox (terpkristin)
7. Philly Chumps (bosshogg23)
8. Big Bangers (msf518)
9. Crazydoods (mrkilla22)
10. Fozzie Bears (Sir Fozzie)
11. Puke Green Sox (ardent enthusiast)
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

Wait, so if I can't be there live you want me out of the league? Even if I have my draft list set up and ready to go?

No, no, that's a good point- I should clarify that. If you can make a list and are drafting, that's fine. I'll fix that in the post above.

SI

[dacman]

Here, obviously.

edit: Firebirds

[JeeberD]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

No, no, that's a good point- I should clarify that. If you can make a list and are drafting, that's fine. I'll fix that in the post above.

SI

Gracias

[Masked]

Still around.

[sterlingice]

Since Jeebs has been posting, he's obviously here. I got a PM from toddiec last night about the league, too, so they're on the roll call list.

SI

[dacman]

Couple of things:

1) You have to have an even number of teams in a league to draft on Yahoo. Not sure what happens if you don't, but if we wind up with 13 or 15 or something, you may have to axe someone right before the draft. In the past, if you have an odd number of teams at the moment the draft started the Yahoo draft bot would delete the entire league. Not sure if that's still how they do it.

2) We have 11 rosters spots for batters, but only 7 for pitchers. I would be in favor of an additional SP or P spot (preferably SP to deter someone from hoarding closers).

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by dacman

Couple of things:

1) You have to have an even number of teams in a league to draft on Yahoo. Not sure what happens if you don't, but if we wind up with 13 or 15 or something, you may have to axe someone right before the draft. In the past, if you have an odd number of teams at the moment the draft started the Yahoo draft bot would delete the entire league. Not sure if that's still how they do it.

2) We have 11 rosters spots for batters, but only 7 for pitchers. I would be in favor of an additional SP or P spot (preferably SP to deter someone from hoarding closers).

I'll keep #1 in mind.

For #2, this is a great time to discuss any possible rule changes since there won't be any after the draft.

For this particular one, since there are the same number of stat categories for pitchers and hitters, it doesn't really matter all that much. Frankly, having that many more hitters makes each worth less. I guess I could add an SP spot and also get rid of the UTIL spot to make it more even since we've already got OF and IF. As for the hoarding RPs, that's going to happen anyways, maybe I'll just change the P spot to SP because we all know that last P spot will be used for RP hoarders (not that you can easily do that in a big league and with L's counting as a category, that prevents it some).

SI

[Toddiec]

SI, I agree with you and Dacman. Adding another pitcher slot sounds great as long as it is a SP.

Also, I would like to propose a rule that doubles the stats put up by Royals players. Or at least let them be graded on a curve or something.

[dacman]

SI, looks good.

Originally Posted by Toddiec

Also, I would like to propose a rule that doubles the stats put up by Royals players. Or at least let them be graded on a curve or something.

Yes, Jose Lima's losses and ERA should count double.