This pissed me off...

Kodos · 03-13-2006, 09:31 AM

Randle El signs on with Washington
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON

The Washington Redskins snagged their second receiver in two days of free agency Sunday, agreeing to terms with Antwaan Randle El for a seven-year contract that could be worth up to $31 million.

The signing comes one day after the Redskins sent a third-round pick in this year's draft and a fourth-round selection in 2007 for San Francisco receiver Brandon Lloyd. Randle El and Lloyd are expected to be formally introduced at Redskins Park today.

Randle El caught 35 passes for 558 yards last season.

I wish he'd stayed with the Steelers, since his other choices seemed to be Chicago and most of the NFC East. Stupid Dan Snyder...

Butter · 03-13-2006, 09:33 AM

Anything that hurts the Steelers gets the thumbs-up from me.

QuikSand · 03-13-2006, 09:34 AM

I realize that he's a pretty exciting player, but an $11m signing bonus for a guy who has basically proven that he isn't an every down receiver seems too much to me. I like him a bit... I'd like to have him on my team as my 3rd wideout... but i'm not sure I'd pay top-starter money for the privilege.

Of course, I woudln't have given David Patten (?!?!?) a big contract, either.

stevew · 03-13-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Anything that hurts the Steelers gets the thumbs-up from me.

Other than Punt returns, I certainly won't be missing the mental midget.

Chas in Cinti · 03-13-2006, 09:45 AM

Mental Midget?

The guys plays WR, lines up at QB and RB, plus plays special teams. Pittsburgh's execution during "gimmick" plays directly correlates to his ability and expertise. That doesn't really make any sense to me?

-Chas

Butter · 03-13-2006, 09:46 AM

He DID throw their only TD in the Super Bowl.

stevew · 03-13-2006, 09:50 AM

He made approximately 6 big plays this whole season. Meanwhile he missed a bunch of catchable balls, ran east west on too many punt returns. Plus you get the added bonus of seeing him bitch to the ref about interference at any given opportunity, probably once every game. Even the daggar play vs Cincy, he ran about 10 yards way too far on that flea flicker, and almost screwed it up. I did like some of the things he brought to the table, but definately not a player worth more than 3 million a season, and that is even sketchy.

Kodos · 03-13-2006, 09:55 AM

He's my favorite current player not named Peyton Manning, but I think he's best suited as a third WR. And Washington definitely overpaid.

I just wanted him to go to a team that I could root for.

rkmsuf · 03-13-2006, 10:05 AM

wow, that's way too much for him and the 49er guy.

Ksyrup · 03-13-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chas in Cinti

Mental Midget?

The guys plays WR, lines up at QB and RB, plus plays special teams. Pittsburgh's execution during "gimmick" plays directly correlates to his ability and expertise. That doesn't really make any sense to me?

-Chas

But he went to school at Indiana. Maybe he needs an Against All Odds tribute as well.

WSUCougar · 03-13-2006, 10:14 AM

And seven years to boot. Yikes.

moriarty · 03-13-2006, 10:28 AM

I thought the Redskins learned their lessons from the Deon/Bruce Smith overspending days.

Ahh, I guess getting lucky with Santana Moss last year spoiled ole Danny Boy, and he's back to his crazy spending ways.

muns · 03-13-2006, 10:38 AM

Im with Stevew on this one. I like Randel El but not for that amount of money, i was glad the Steelers didnt try to counter. I really dont think we will miss much of a beat without him. As a WR he is average, a good returner even tho he does run east west too much, but the thing i hated about him was the way he would complain about not getting a call basically on every play. Good luck to the Redskins with him

wade moore · 03-13-2006, 10:56 AM

As a Skins fan I'm excited and scared about getting Randle El and Lloyd... Do I think it will help the offense on the field after watching the shmucks out there that called themselves WRs and weren't named Moss? Most definately YES!... Do I understand putting this much money behind these two guys? Ummm, no...

MikeVic · 03-13-2006, 11:00 AM

I wonder who the Steelers will use/get now?

QuikSand · 03-13-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

And seven years to boot. Yikes.

I think it's fairly obvious that the seven years does not reflect more commitment in the deal, but probably less. In all likelihood, this is a 7 year deal with $11.5m in bonus, where the first 2-3 years are for minimal salaries, and then there will be a "reckoning" after year three (or so) where the team will have to decide whether to renegotiate or cut him. The 7 year deal, rather than (say) a 5 year deal, is just an accounting gimmick to reduce the cap for this season.

The guaranteed money is the thing. $11.5m is a good deal more than even the Bears were offering.

QuikSand · 03-13-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

And seven years to boot. Yikes.

I think it's fairly obvious that the seven years does not reflect more commitment in the deal, but probably less. In all likelihood, this is a 7 year deal with $11.5m in bonus, where the first 2-3 years are for minimal salaries, and then there will be a "reckoning" after year three (or so) where the team will have to decide whether to renegotiate or cut him. The 7 year deal, rather than (say) a 5 year deal, is just an accounting gimmick to reduce the cap for this season.

The guaranteed money is the thing. $11.5m is a good deal more than even the Bears were offering.

MikeVic · 03-13-2006, 11:03 AM

I wonder who the Steelers will use/get now?

wade moore · 03-13-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I think it's fairly obvious that the seven years does not reflect more commitment in the deal, but probably less. In all likelihood, this is a 7 year deal with $11.5m in bonus, where the first 2-3 years are for minimal salaries, and then there will be a "reckoning" after year three (or so) where the team will have to decide whether to renegotiate or cut him. The 7 year deal, rather than (say) a 5 year deal, is just an accounting gimmick to reduce the cap for this season.

The guaranteed money is the thing. $11.5m is a good deal more than even the Bears were offering.

THe one thing I will say... After the first few years, Snyder (or his crew) seem to have really figured the salary cap out...

Cringer · 03-13-2006, 11:18 AM

Woohoo! Bears didn't get him. Good.

IwasHere · 03-13-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I wonder who the Steelers will use/get now?

Please don't forget that Hines Ward was a college QB.

If anything this will force the Steelers to bring in a real #2 WR and let Hines run the trick plays. I see this as an improvement in two ares for the Steelers.

I would of threw a fit if the Steelers tried to match the offer.

MikeVic · 03-13-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IwasHere

Please don't forget that Hines Ward was a college QB.

If anything this will force the Steelers to bring in a real #2 WR and let Hines run the trick plays. I see this as an improvement in two ares for the Steelers.

I would of threw a fit if the Steelers tried to match the offer.

I remembered Hines was a QB, but I thought it was high school only? I meant who will the Steelers use as their 2nd WR? Anyone have a list of WR FA?

Subby · 03-13-2006, 01:15 PM

What a great signing. Couldn't be happier...

Now the 'Skins need to go out and grab Archuleta.

wade moore · 03-13-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

What a great signing. Couldn't be happier...

Now the 'Skins need to go out and grab Archuleta.

um, already done

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Raiders Army · 03-13-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

I remembered Hines was a QB, but I thought it was high school only? I meant who will the Steelers use as their 2nd WR? Anyone have a list of WR FA?

He was a WR, RB, and QB in college.

Pyser · 03-13-2006, 03:09 PM

i used to be jealous of all the skins signings, every offseason.

now, i laugh. enjoy your cap hell.

signed, a giants fan.

wade moore · 03-13-2006, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyser

i used to be jealous of all the skins signings, every offseason.

now, i laugh. enjoy your cap hell.

signed, a giants fan.

That cap hell that we're in this season that everyone said we would be in?

I do enjoy it, I really do!

kcchief19 · 03-13-2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I think it's fairly obvious that the seven years does not reflect more commitment in the deal, but probably less. In all likelihood, this is a 7 year deal with $11.5m in bonus, where the first 2-3 years are for minimal salaries, and then there will be a "reckoning" after year three (or so) where the team will have to decide whether to renegotiate or cut him. The 7 year deal, rather than (say) a 5 year deal, is just an accounting gimmick to reduce the cap for this season.

The guaranteed money is the thing. $11.5m is a good deal more than even the Bears were offering.

What's interesting to me is that this is the the third year in a row the Redskins have overpaid for talent in free agency. Have they discovered a new salary cap gimmick, or is it just a matter of time until their salary cap day of reckoning comes they end up with an FOF salary cap hell season where they can only carry 51 players without cutting their starting quarterback?

Pyser · 03-13-2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

That cap hell that we're in this season that everyone said we would be in?

I do enjoy it, I really do!

well, the cap went up $17m this year. that was unexpected, but helped you this time.

Subby · 03-13-2006, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyser

i used to be jealous of all the skins signings, every offseason.

now, i laugh. enjoy your cap hell.

signed, a giants fan.

That's funny - you could have cut and pasted that from some other 'Skins hater's post for the past six off-seasons...say what you want about the 'Skins front office, but they do a great job managing the cap.

Subby · 03-13-2006, 03:31 PM

matt - i think the "secret" is they give these guys lots of showy upfront money but have them on real long deals. Plus, they renegotiate the bejesus out of their roster every season...

stevew · 03-13-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

What's interesting to me is that this is the the third year in a row the Redskins have overpaid for talent in free agency. Have they discovered a new salary cap gimmick, or is it just a matter of time until their salary cap day of reckoning comes they end up with an FOF salary cap hell season where they can only carry 51 players without cutting their starting quarterback?

Looks actually like it was fairly easy.

http://redskins.scout.com/2/507127.html

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Some 48 hours after being on the brink of being very limited in the free agent market, the Redskins are breathing much easier. Thanks to the CBA extension, with a few simple moves and player releases, the Redskins will be able to create plenty of cap space to fill their needs. Our resident Capologist looks at the potential moves and adds up the savings.

In Joe Gibbs own words “We (the Redskins) are very aggressive in free agency”. With the chances of an extension to the CBA looking in the balance for the last week, the Redskins could have been looking at an offseason of restraint instead of aggressive buying. However, when the owners agreed to the last obstacle in the way of a new labor agreement - a revenue sharing deal – on Wednesday evening, the Redskins were back in an “aggressive mood”.

With the new labor agreement now in place, the restrictions of the 30 percent rule and the prorating of bonus monies for only 4 years are washed away, so the Redskins can look at creating cap space to be an active player if free agency.

The first order of business is getting under the new cap limit for 2006 which has been set at $102.0m and we will start at the figure of $115.5m. Three occurrences have helped the Skins already without having to barely raise a finger:

* The mutually agreed release of LaVar Arrington and his killer contract (saving nearly $4.3m off his previous cap figure)
* The automatic spreading of option bonuses due in 2006 over the next 5 years instead of 4 (for those players who will have 5+ years left on their contracts after the options are exercised), saving $1.2m. The players involved Santana Moss ([body].350m savings), Chris Samuels ([body].350m), Casey Rabach ([body].1m) and Carlos Rogers ([body].4m), and
* The automatic voiding of likely to be earned (LTBE) incentive clauses tied to “no new CBA” in the contracts of Samuels ($3.5m), David Patten ([body].6m), Rabach ($1.6m) and Renaldo Wynn (0.4m), totalling $6.0m in savings.

The team has also tendered offers to three of its restricted free agents at the lower tender of [body].712m – Dockery, Jimoh and Chris Clemons.

Also the new CBA deal has increased base salaries across the board by $40,000 per player and this has a $1m impact on the Skins cap number.

This would leave the team at a cap figure of $105.4m, just $3.4m over the cap.

The Redskins also have 8 key players who have large roster bonuses due in 2006 (totalling $13.650m) that could be guaranteed and spread out over the remaining life of the contract or to 2010 if the tenure is longer. This move would result in a further $10.4m in savings for 2006, bringing the Redskins into cap compliance with $7m in cap space already created.

All this and the team has yet to cut or trade a player in the process.

So what other moves could assist in creating additional cap space and potential free agent dollars? Those likely to happen are the following:

* Patrick Ramsey could be traded (saving $1.7m)
* Brandon Noble ($1.7m), Cory Raymer ($1.0m), Matt Bowen ($2.0m), Tom Tupa ([body].6m) and Walt Harris ($2.0m) will probably be released within the next 48 hours (saving $7.3m)
* Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas could undertake a basic 2006 base salary to bonus conversion restructure in thier contracts that could save a further $5.1m.

If all these moves were made (allowing for replacement of released players under the Rule of 51), another $12.2m would be saved, pushing the projected cap number down to $18.2m below the NFL limit.

The Redskins may also be eligible for LTBE incentive cap credits carried over from 2005 would increase this gap even further.

So Washington has plenty of cap room to pursue its needs in free agency in 2006

2007 impact

At this point in time the Redskins have 51 players under contract in 2007 with Ladell Betts and Ethan Albright being the only notable UFA’s. These players currently count $93.730m – and that’s before any 2006 roster bonuses or other contract maniplutions are taken into account. The NFL salary cap in 2007 is predicted at around $109.0m. However, the new labor deal contains a mechanism to adjust the salary cap based on how much the teams collectively spend on player compensation. If the teams collectively spend more than the salary cap in a season -- which is possible since the cap is a flexible spending limit -- the cap would be automatically adjusted downward in subsequent seasons. If the teams collectively spend less than the salary cap in a season, the cap would be automatically adjusted upward in the future

IwasHere · 03-13-2006, 04:33 PM

Ward became the starting QB for Georgia his Freshman year after an injury to the regular starter. But, he started that year at the RB position.

Hines WArd was the Peach Bowl MVP after throwing for over 400yds and rush for over 50yds.

IwasHere · 03-13-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris

That's funny - you could have cut and pasted that from some other 'Skins hater's post for the past six off-seasons...say what you want about the 'Skins front office, but they do a great job managing the cap.

LOL And, this is why I will see Pro Bowl LB Lavar Arrington in a Skins uniform this year?

Pyser · 03-13-2006, 06:03 PM

another 6 yr, 30m deal handed out by wash today. this time to de/olb carter.

i continue to love it

still signed, a giants fan

jamesUMD · 03-13-2006, 06:19 PM

Arrington did not fit into their plans so his reluctance to renegotiate his deal meant he was gone. The Redskins have done a great job of managing the cap considering that they let guys go but manage to keep moving forward.

We let Pierce and Smoot go last year and got by fine. I really hope that Arrington goes to the Giants so you can feel our pain. All that talnet and desire and yet no discipline to channell the immense talent he has.

One of my friends is a Steelers fan and convinced me that it would be a good pick up for us. Pittsburgh is a run first team and Randle El will do well for us. If he can catch 40 balls a year it will be worth it. We just need someone to soften the coverage for Moss.

Mark my words the Redskins will:
Sign Todd Collins to mentor Jason Campbell in Saunders offense
On gameday the Skins will dress Brunell, Randle El, and Campbell, and leave Collins inactive for an extra spot on gameday.

wade moore · 03-14-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

well, the cap went up $17m this year. that was unexpected, but helped you this time.

Ummm.. maybe the STUPID owners didn't expect it, but the Skins and other teams did.

sachmo71 · 03-14-2006, 08:19 AM

This is very good news for the Cowboys.

duckman · 03-14-2006, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

This is very good news for the Cowboys.

Indeed.

Daimyo · 03-14-2006, 10:07 AM

Randel-El makes Wayne's look like a blue light special!

Kodos · 03-14-2006, 10:30 AM

I wanted him to go to Indy as the third WR.

Bee · 03-14-2006, 10:50 AM

I think it's hard to criticize the Redskins for overpaying for talent (which I think they do overpay). Six years ago I thought they were going to be in cap hell in 3 years. It never happened and every year it's the same thing. I think they understand the cap better than anyone else in the NFL and with an owner who's willing to spend cash up front they seem to stay out of too much trouble. Also, overpaying players tends to create good will with them so most are willing to restructure their deals to help keep the system going.

MIJB#19 · 03-14-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

What's interesting to me is that this is the the third year in a row the Redskins have overpaid for talent in free agency. Have they discovered a new salary cap gimmick, or is it just a matter of time until their salary cap day of reckoning comes they end up with an FOF salary cap hell season where they can only carry 51 players without cutting their starting quarterback?

That explains why the Redskins have all that cap room. I mean, they don't even have a starting quarterback, do they?

Bee · 03-14-2006, 11:36 AM

If they would have spent the money from Randle El or Lloyd on Drew Brees, I think they'd have been in much better shape. Of course, I'm not a HOF coach.

wade moore · 03-14-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

That explains why the Redskins have all that cap room. I mean, they don't even have a starting quarterback, do they?

but they pay someone like they are one...

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wade moore · 03-14-2006, 11:37 AM

Dola: What the hell is with that formatting?!

Daimyo · 03-14-2006, 02:03 PM

I don't know that I'd say the Skins understand the cap better than anyone, but they definitely have an owner willing to spend what it takes to get players. I doubt most owners are that willing to put out that much in signing bonuses every year.

wade moore · 03-14-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

I don't know that I'd say the Skins understand the cap better than anyone, but they definitely have an owner willing to spend what it takes to get players. I doubt most owners are that willing to put out that much in signing bonuses every year.

But would you agree that the Skins are not headed for some impending cap doom?

rkmsuf · 03-14-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

But would you agree that the Skins are not headed for some impending cap doom?

It's not even that. You end up with a collection of big headed fat cats. Kills the team concept and overachivement if you have enough money to burn for 2 lifetimes.

Overpaying for good talent(not superstars, elite) is just a bad way to go about it.

Bee · 03-14-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

I don't know that I'd say the Skins understand the cap better than anyone, but they definitely have an owner willing to spend what it takes to get players. I doubt most owners are that willing to put out that much in signing bonuses every year.

I don't know...I've seen several articles in the last couple years where the writer says that another team's cap expert says the Redskins will be in trouble in free agency and every time they end up bringing in as much if not more than anyone else. The last one was just a couple weeks ago where either Peter King or Len Pasquelli (sp?) reported that according to another teams capologist even with a new CBA the Redskins wouldn't be able to sign both a WR and a DE. They've signed 2 expensive WRs, an expensive DE and a high dollar S.

03-13-2006, 09:45 AM	#5
Chas in Cinti High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH	Mental Midget? The guys plays WR, lines up at QB and RB, plus plays special teams. Pittsburgh's execution during "gimmick" plays directly correlates to his ability and expertise. That doesn't really make any sense to me? -Chas __________________ Email: [email protected]

03-13-2006, 09:46 AM	#6
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	He DID throw their only TD in the Super Bowl. __________________ My listening habits

03-13-2006, 10:05 AM	#9
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	wow, that's way too much for him and the 49er guy. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-13-2006, 10:14 AM	#11
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	And seven years to boot. Yikes. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

03-13-2006, 11:18 AM	#20
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	Woohoo! Bears didn't get him. Good. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

03-13-2006, 09:33 AM	#2
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Anything that hurts the Steelers gets the thumbs-up from me. __________________ My listening habits

03-13-2006, 09:34 AM	#3
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I realize that he's a pretty exciting player, but an $11m signing bonus for a guy who has basically proven that he isn't an every down receiver seems too much to me. I like him a bit... I'd like to have him on my team as my 3rd wideout... but i'm not sure I'd pay top-starter money for the privilege. Of course, I woudln't have given David Patten (?!?!?) a big contract, either.

03-13-2006, 09:50 AM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	He made approximately 6 big plays this whole season. Meanwhile he missed a bunch of catchable balls, ran east west on too many punt returns. Plus you get the added bonus of seeing him bitch to the ref about interference at any given opportunity, probably once every game. Even the daggar play vs Cincy, he ran about 10 yards way too far on that flea flicker, and almost screwed it up. I did like some of the things he brought to the table, but definately not a player worth more than 3 million a season, and that is even sketchy.

03-13-2006, 09:55 AM	#8
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	He's my favorite current player not named Peyton Manning, but I think he's best suited as a third WR. And Washington definitely overpaid. I just wanted him to go to a team that I could root for.

03-13-2006, 10:28 AM	#12
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	I thought the Redskins learned their lessons from the Deon/Bruce Smith overspending days. Ahh, I guess getting lucky with Santana Moss last year spoiled ole Danny Boy, and he's back to his crazy spending ways.

03-13-2006, 10:38 AM	#13
muns Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baltimore MD	Im with Stevew on this one. I like Randel El but not for that amount of money, i was glad the Steelers didnt try to counter. I really dont think we will miss much of a beat without him. As a WR he is average, a good returner even tho he does run east west too much, but the thing i hated about him was the way he would complain about not getting a call basically on every play. Good luck to the Redskins with him

03-13-2006, 11:00 AM	#15
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I wonder who the Steelers will use/get now?

03-13-2006, 11:03 AM	#18
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I wonder who the Steelers will use/get now?

03-13-2006, 01:15 PM	#23
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	What a great signing. Couldn't be happier... Now the 'Skins need to go out and grab Archuleta. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

03-13-2006, 03:09 PM	#26
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	i used to be jealous of all the skins signings, every offseason. now, i laugh. enjoy your cap hell. signed, a giants fan. Last edited by Pyser : 03-13-2006 at 03:09 PM.

03-13-2006, 03:31 PM	#31
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	matt - i think the "secret" is they give these guys lots of showy upfront money but have them on real long deals. Plus, they renegotiate the bejesus out of their roster every season... __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

03-13-2006, 04:33 PM	#33
IwasHere Banned Join Date: Sep 2004	Ward became the starting QB for Georgia his Freshman year after an injury to the regular starter. But, he started that year at the RB position. Hines WArd was the Peach Bowl MVP after throwing for over 400yds and rush for over 50yds.

03-13-2006, 06:03 PM	#35
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	another 6 yr, 30m deal handed out by wash today. this time to de/olb carter. i continue to love it still signed, a giants fan

03-13-2006, 06:19 PM	#36
jamesUMD High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD	Arrington did not fit into their plans so his reluctance to renegotiate his deal meant he was gone. The Redskins have done a great job of managing the cap considering that they let guys go but manage to keep moving forward. We let Pierce and Smoot go last year and got by fine. I really hope that Arrington goes to the Giants so you can feel our pain. All that talnet and desire and yet no discipline to channell the immense talent he has. One of my friends is a Steelers fan and convinced me that it would be a good pick up for us. Pittsburgh is a run first team and Randle El will do well for us. If he can catch 40 balls a year it will be worth it. We just need someone to soften the coverage for Moss. Mark my words the Redskins will: Sign Todd Collins to mentor Jason Campbell in Saunders offense On gameday the Skins will dress Brunell, Randle El, and Campbell, and leave Collins inactive for an extra spot on gameday. __________________ HailtotheRedskins! Last edited by jamesUMD : 03-13-2006 at 06:25 PM.

03-14-2006, 08:19 AM	#38
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	This is very good news for the Cowboys.

03-14-2006, 10:07 AM	#40
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	Randel-El makes Wayne's look like a blue light special!

03-14-2006, 10:30 AM	#41
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I wanted him to go to Indy as the third WR.

03-14-2006, 10:50 AM	#42
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I think it's hard to criticize the Redskins for overpaying for talent (which I think they do overpay). Six years ago I thought they were going to be in cap hell in 3 years. It never happened and every year it's the same thing. I think they understand the cap better than anyone else in the NFL and with an owner who's willing to spend cash up front they seem to stay out of too much trouble. Also, overpaying players tends to create good will with them so most are willing to restructure their deals to help keep the system going.

03-14-2006, 11:36 AM	#44
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	If they would have spent the money from Randle El or Lloyd on Drew Brees, I think they'd have been in much better shape. Of course, I'm not a HOF coach.

03-14-2006, 02:03 PM	#47
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I don't know that I'd say the Skins understand the cap better than anyone, but they definitely have an owner willing to spend what it takes to get players. I doubt most owners are that willing to put out that much in signing bonuses every year.

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