In light of QB signings/trades: Thoughts on the NFL draft?

[cthomer5000]

This could be absolute mayhem now... -we still don't know what Houston plans at #1. -After signing Brees, what does New Orleans do at #2? -How does this affect some lower teams that might be interested in a QB (Oakland)?

[st.cronin]

I wonder if Houston and New Orleans would do a trade? N.O. takes Bush, and Houston takes Ferguson or somebody on defense, plus picking up lots of extra picks.

[JPhillips]

The Saints have to find a trade partner. If Texas takes Bush, which seems likely, there is nobody but the QBs worth the number two.

[rkmsuf]

Jet/Titan bidding war for Line Art?

[Masked]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Jet/Titan bidding war for Line Art?

Looks great for the Saints. Either someone trades up to 1 and the Saints get Bush, or Titans/Jets/Raiders start bidding against each other for 2.

[DeToxRox]

Saints will deal down to 4 and get D'Brick. Jets will take Leinart like they've wanted all along.

[stevew]

Vince Young might be in the blue room a bit longer than anticipated now.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by stevew

Vince Young might be in the blue room a bit longer than anticipated now.

If he can find it. Those directions are complicated.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Kodos]

The Dolphins trade up to get Vince Young - to be their punter. The guy has a cannon for leg!

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

If he can find it. Those directions are complicated.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

lmao. count it.

[stevew]

I think that the big problem now, is that you won't really be able to see a deal for the #2 pick until the Texans decide what they are doing at #1, or already start negotiating with their soon-to-be pick. If they take Bush or Brick, then someone should make a strong trade up for Leinart. I think the Texans should stay put and take the Tackle, unless someone gives them an unreal deal to move down.

[st.cronin]

What happened to all the people saying VY was a better prospect than Leinart? VY seems to be falling on everybody's board.

[scooper]

I don't see the Texans taking Debrick, unless it's after a trade-down. Whoever is at #1 has to take Bush. I agree, though, the Saints can't move until after #1 is settled-just in case. There will be some dealing come draft day. The rumors will fly rampant between now and then.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What happened to all the people saying VY was a better prospect than Leinart? VY seems to be falling on everybody's board.

When he take da Wunderlik he stock go down.

[kingfc22]

And the Raiders still have no QB.

[Doug5984]

As a saints fan I am very happy about this. Lets face it, no matter how good Leinhard might be, he would still be a rookie QB. The Saints need a good season quick to keep the fans around, and I think Brees gives them the best chance at this. It also allows them to hopefully drop down a few spots and pick up D'Brick or AJ Hawk....both would be amazing additions for the team.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

And the Raiders still have no QB.

Marcus Vick

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Marcus Vick

nope, he'll be drafted by the Dolphins as well.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by scooper

I don't see the Texans taking Debrick, unless it's after a trade-down. Whoever is at #1 has to take Bush. I agree, though, the Saints can't move until after #1 is settled-just in case. There will be some dealing come draft day. The rumors will fly rampant between now and then.

The 2 players that would help the Texans the most are Brick and Bush. Ideally I would also trade off of #1 and nab D'Brick. But the problem being that you can only trade down so far and still hope to get your guy. So unless there is some wheel trading where they can hope to get to #3 behind Bush/Leinart, I don't know how they can actually trade the pick. I'm sure the Texans will price it out with the agents, when it comes down to it, I wouldn't be suprised if D'Brickashaw doesnt command a more "reasonable" long term deal at #1. 6 years/40 million or so. You've already committed a great deal of money to Dominack Davis. The Texans have looked for a LT their entire existance, at some point they even were considering making an offer for Pace, IIRC, and giving up the 2 #1's. Ferguson is the real deal I take him at #1 if I have to.

[Swaggs]

If I am the Saints, I think I sit tight and take whoever falls between Ferguson and Bush. They are both franchise players.

If they trade down, I wouldn't go further than fifth, where I could still get Mario Williams or Hawk.

[ISiddiqui]

I think the Jets deal up to get Leinart, the Saints take D'Brick, and Young falls to the Raiders.

[scooper]

Originally Posted by stevew

The 2 players that would help the Texans the most are Brick and Bush. Ideally I would also trade off of #1 and nab D'Brick. But the problem being that you can only trade down so far and still hope to get your guy. So unless there is some wheel trading where they can hope to get to #3 behind Bush/Leinart, I don't know how they can actually trade the pick. I'm sure the Texans will price it out with the agents, when it comes down to it, I wouldn't be suprised if D'Brickashaw doesnt command a more "reasonable" long term deal at #1. 6 years/40 million or so. You've already committed a great deal of money to Dominack Davis. The Texans have looked for a LT their entire existance, at some point they even were considering making an offer for Pace, IIRC, and giving up the 2 #1's. Ferguson is the real deal I take him at #1 if I have to.

All correct, and I think Ferguson is hands down the player who could help them the most. However, for some reason, once a guy is slotted as the first pick in the NFL, he always goes #1. Be it to the original team or via trade. There almost seems to be a fear of missing out on that next great one for the sake of taking the guy everybody thinks you should take. So unless they trade down and not very far as you say, it will be Bush.

In another scenario, let's say the Jets buck the trend and get itchy about getting Leinart and the Texans trade down and Ferguson's gone. With the Texans switching to a 4-3, Williams would make for an interesting pick.

One thing's for certain, who comes out of the top 5 with which players is an interesting question this year.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I don't care what happens between picks 1-8, so long as Leinhart, Cutler, and Young are drafted.

[scooper]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I don't care what happens between picks 1-8, so long as Leinhart, Cutler, and Young are drafted.

Don't worry, Blue. Santonio Holmes will still be on the board.

[Huckleberry]

I hope Young comes out with the truth shortly after he signs. It will probably all come out eventually.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by scooper

All correct, and I think Ferguson is hands down the player who could help them the most. However, for some reason, once a guy is slotted as the first pick in the NFL, he always goes #1. Be it to the original team or via trade. There almost seems to be a fear of missing out on that next great one for the sake of taking the guy everybody thinks you should take. So unless they trade down and not very far as you say, it will be Bush.

In another scenario, let's say the Jets buck the trend and get itchy about getting Leinart and the Texans trade down and Ferguson's gone. With the Texans switching to a 4-3, Williams would make for an interesting pick.

One thing's for certain, who comes out of the top 5 with which players is an interesting question this year.

Looking at it, I wouldnt be extremely suprised if Tennesee gets very leary now of getting scooped out of Leinart by whomever moves to #2. The Texans might trade with them for a #3 if they get word from the Titans about who exactly they will be taking. That way you still get Bush or Ferguson. Unless the Titans have no interest in Leinart.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

I hope Young comes out with the truth shortly after he signs. It will probably all come out eventually.

Sounds just like Jose Canseco's book!

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Sounds just like Jose Canseco's book!

Not even close.

It's in his best interest, though, not to say anything until the contract is signed. That's about all I'll say.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Doug5984

As a saints fan I am very happy about this. Lets face it, no matter how good Leinhard might be, he would still be a rookie QB. The Saints need a good season quick to keep the fans around, and I think Brees gives them the best chance at this. It also allows them to hopefully drop down a few spots and pick up D'Brick or AJ Hawk....both would be amazing additions for the team.

I agree. I was looking forward to seeing Leinart at the dome and was planning on going to at least a few games this year, but what they have done has been very smart. I think they are going to get good value for the #2 pick while still getting one of the two players you mentioned.

[rkmsuf]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Not even close.

It's in his best interest, though, not to say anything until the contract is signed. That's about all I'll say.

I mean just the sentence you wrote. Jose was on the radio a couple times saying "It will all be revealed when my book comes out in September." Now this was April.

I could care less about Young either way. I'm just amused by the story. Pretending he is dumber than dirt is fun. For me.

[albionmoonlight]

Saints need quality on defense. A.J. Hawk probably makes the most sense in a trade down type situation.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by scooper

Don't worry, Blue. Santonio Holmes will still be on the board.

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[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by rkmsuf

I mean just the sentence you wrote. Jose was on the radio a couple times saying "It will all be revealed when my book comes out in September." Now this was April.

I could care less about Young either way. I'm just amused by the story. Pretending he is dumber than dirt is fun. For me.

I see.

I honestly have no idea if Vince or his people are planning on saying anything. I would imagine that they're not, although I think they should.

As of right now, the public has no reason to think anything other than that he's dumber than dirt. But oddly enough, that's probably his best option until he signs a contract.

[rkmsuf]

maybe he's frickin genius

maybe it was sabotagie

maybe it was video games to blame

whatever. at least I get to make fun of him before he makes gazillion more dollars than I ever will.

[Doug5984]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I agree. I was looking forward to seeing Leinart at the dome and was planning on going to at least a few games this year, but what they have done has been very smart. I think they are going to get good value for the #2 pick while still getting one of the two players you mentioned.

It is also nice to see the Saints finally spend some real money in free agency. It shows me that atleast they care a little. Maybe in the long run passing on Leinart will be the wrong choice...but atleast they are trying to do something to win right now.

I don't know if we would have ever seen the Saints sign a Brees type player in free agency 3 years ago....or last year even.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Saints will deal down to 4 and get D'Brick. Jets will take Leinart like they've wanted all along.

Yes yes.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

I see.

I honestly have no idea if Vince or his people are planning on saying anything. I would imagine that they're not, although I think they should.

As of right now, the public has no reason to think anything other than that he's dumber than dirt. But oddly enough, that's probably his best option until he signs a contract.

Are you seriously suggesting he puposely tanked his wonderlic? Hahahahaha

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Are you seriously suggesting he puposely tanked his wonderlic? Hahahahaha

No, but I'm curious what type of Wonderlic potential it takes to come to that conclusion.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

No, but I'm curious what type of Wonderlic potential it takes to come to that conclusion.

Well, then I don't know what "truth" you're waiting to come out. The guy was cocky, and probably not too bright. He didn't do any preparation for the test and got a crappy score.

Am I missing something? What "truth" are you waiting for?

[Solecismic]

Okay, so New Orleans trades out of #2 down to #9, takes Cutler at #9, Cutler holds out, joins training camp late, Brees wins the job and resumes where he left off with San Diego.

Rinse and repeat every other season.

Remember that New Orleans was heavily criticized for trading for Brooks because of the Wonderlic issue. The fans were proven right in that case for the most part.

The word around the NFL right now is that a mediocre quarterback intellectually may get you into the playoffs, but only a smart one can take on the best defenses in the league in the big games. That's why VY is dropping and Culpepper was moved (Saban has that arrogance that he wants to win AND get style points, so that's why Miami took him, and spent so little considering his past statistical performances).

I think Bush is still going #1. New Orleans will find someone in love with Leinart and trade out. Tennessee may well want Young at #3, given his connection to McNair. McNair's not the smartest guy in the world, but he's given everything he can to Tennessee, and they appreciate him. I think the Jets will take Cutler or Ferguson at #4 and the Packers will take the best defensive player, by their evaluations. SF will also go defense and Oakland may reach and look to boost the secondary or fall in love with the speedy tight end.

[Anthony]

if you were the Vikes and Saints, would you have pulled the trigger on Culpepper, this year's first and 2 or 3 other high end picks (2nd, 3rd rounders) for the #2 overall? basically it comes down to if you want Brees or Culpepper as your QB if you're Saints.

i think they should have done this deal. Culpepper is coming off a bad year, but he's still young and he's built like the Terminator. those QB's don't grow on trees. makes sense for both parties.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by moriarty

Well, then I don't know what "truth" you're waiting to come out. The guy was cocky, and probably not too bright. He didn't do any preparation for the test and got a crappy score.

Am I missing something? What "truth" are you waiting for?

He wasn't cocky about the test, but I'm not sure what the criteria for "not too bright" is. I wouldn't call him a genius or anything. The "truth" can be determined by people that have read all available information on him. But I'm not willing to say anything because he obviously doesn't want it out right now.

You're correct that he didn't prepare for the test. He's done some dumb things, primarily his choice of management teams.

I should probably just drop it as I'm not going to say anything. I'll be willing to PM the info after he signs his contract if reminded.

[ISiddiqui]

Could you be more cryptic?

[Mo.Raider]

Oakland may reach and look to boost the secondary or fall in love with the speedy tight end.

That last sentence scares me, because you could be right. I hope not because I think Huff shouldn't be taken this high, and Vernon Davis screams Ricky Dudley all over again.

[moriarty]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

He wasn't cocky about the test, but I'm not sure what the criteria for "not too bright" is. I wouldn't call him a genius or anything. The "truth" can be determined by people that have read all available information on him. But I'm not willing to say anything because he obviously doesn't want it out right now.

You're correct that he didn't prepare for the test. He's done some dumb things, primarily his choice of management teams.

I'd say a '6' on the wonderlic qualifies as not too bright. Even a 16 doesn't qualify him as an intelligent quarterback. But I appreciate your loyalty to Vince in not divulging his inner circle secrets to this message board.

[IwasHere]

Is Vince Young going to be this years Aaron Rodgers?

We will have to listen to Kiper talk about Young for every pick and then explain why this team did not pick him.

Rodgers who everyonethought was going to go #1 overall ended up sliding, and sliding, and sliding.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Vince Young will be taken by the Lions. I hear they love his running ability and size, and feel that with a little work can make a smooth transition to receiver... Then they will finally have that key piece to the puzzle and Joey Harrington will turn into Peyton Manning!

[Ryche]

Taking a quarterback makes sense for Tennessee considering they have connections with all of the big 3, but I have to think McNair would prefer to see them draft Ferguson to give him some protection.

It will be interesting to see if any of the quarterbacks fall past Oakland. After Oakland's pick, I don't see anyone else drafting a quarterback until Minnesota. Detroit will try Harrington and Kitna, Green doesn't have time to develop a quarterback in Arizona, Baltimore will probably sign Kerry Collins and Boller showed flashes at the end of the year.

Ultimately, I think the Titans, Jets and Raiders will end up with the quarterbacks. Don't know which ones will end up where though.

[Ragone]

I'm thinking cutler ends up in oakland.. cause apparently mcnair and vince young have some kinda love affair going

[Bad-example]

If the Titans and the Jest both take quarterbacks, the 49ers and Packers could be prime trade partners for a team wanting to move up and grab a qb before the Raiders pick at number 7. Oakland might end up needing to swap up a spot or 2 to make sure they get their man.