It's for dinner!

[terpkristin]

Dinner poll!

I have some wine here I'd like to finish (my friend and I opened a bottle last night), a red. Being that it's a Friday in Lent and that I'm Catholic, today is meatless. I'm also allergic to most seafood, so I can't really go that route for dinner.

I'm thinking either perogies and broccoli or white pizza. The former I would need to cook here, the latter I'd get from a local place. The pizza would probably go better with the wine, but I'd actually have to go get the pizza.

So let's hear it, peanut gallery!!! Any other thoughts?

/tk

[JeeberD]

What the hell is perogies?

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

What the hell is perogies?

*gasp*


And I picked the white pizza, because I'm lazy and that sounds like the lazy option.

[st.cronin]

Grilled asparagus and tomatoes, served with a baked potato?

[Franklinnoble]

Pop tarts and lemonade.

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

What the hell is perogies?

I don't know what "type" of food it is, my grandmother's church makes them, but she's in a heavily Polish neighborhood and I know that a lot of Jewish people eat them. So I'm not sure what culture they come from...

But they're simply just dough filled with meat, or cheese, or potato, or cabbage, or onion, or some combination thereof. The ones I have are potato or potato and cheese. It's kind of like a wonton, but the dough is thicker.

/tk

[terpkristin]

dola,

Perogies are generally blended with other fine ingredients such as real aged cheddar cheese, onions, roasted garlic, bacon, sauerkraut, mushrooms, spinach, seasoned ground beef or even fresh jalepeno peppers.

Perogies are an ethnic food that originated with the people of Eastern European heritage and are most popular among the Polish, Ukranian, Czech, Slovakian, and Eastern German (Prussian) nationalities. The spelling of the name "Perogies" can vary with the geography but the word meaning is typically the same.




/tk

[JeeberD]

Interesting. Potato and cheese dough balls sound awfully heavy though...go for the pizza.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by terpkristin

I don't know what "type" of food it is, my grandmother's church makes them, but she's in a heavily Polish neighborhood and I know that a lot of Jewish people eat them. So I'm not sure what culture they come from...

But they're simply just dough filled with meat, or cheese, or potato, or cabbage, or onion, or some combination thereof. The ones I have are potato or potato and cheese. It's kind of like a wonton, but the dough is thicker.

/tk

I didn't know what perogies is either but I picked the option because I like broccoli more than white pizza or trout.

Now that you said what it is though, I know what they are and my vote still stands. Those are pretty tasty.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by terpkristin

I don't know what "type" of food it is, my grandmother's church makes them, but she's in a heavily Polish neighborhood and I know that a lot of Jewish people eat them. So I'm not sure what culture they come from...

But they're simply just dough filled with meat, or cheese, or potato, or cabbage, or onion, or some combination thereof. The ones I have are potato or potato and cheese. It's kind of like a wonton, but the dough is thicker.

/tk

TGI Firdays had GREAT perogies last time I was home. I had no idea what they were but my mom got some and they were delicious. Filled with cheese and beef I think.

[Raiders Army]

Fettucine Alfredo with Grilled Broccoli and Onions with garlic. I usually grill chicken with it, but Good Friday stuff...

[stevew]

Originally Posted by JeeberD

What the hell is perogies?

Perogies are god's gift to mankind. Typically it's a ravioli stuffed with a cheesy potato flavoring. But it can be much, much more elaborate than that. They are great if you panfry them in some oil or bake them, basically cook them to crispy like an empanada(surely you know what one of these are?). Top with some sort of sauce like maranara or salsa, maybe some sour cream and you gots some good eats. Other people like to boil them and serve them with butter and onions, but that isn't my style at all.

[ice4277]

Perogies get my vote. I had a giant plate of fish and chips for dinner and can barely move now. Going to the bar in an hour will be rough. I hope I am up for the challenge

[Eaglesfan27]

Perogies were a standard in my home growing up, but I voted for the white pizza because I eventually became quite sick of Perogies.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Perogies were a standard in my home growing up, but I voted for the white pizza because I eventually became quite sick of Perogies.

That happens to me every time I eat them. The first one is delicious beyond all reason, but by the third or fourth one I'm ready for the South Beach diet.

[sterlingice]

I still don't get how seafood isn't meat. It's like saying carrots aren't a veggie because they're orange.

SI

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I still don't get how seafood isn't meat. It's like saying carrots aren't a veggie because they're orange.

SI

That;s what I said to my friend the other day.

[QuikSand]

I pity the fool who don't eat my wife's pierogies!

[terpkristin]

I don't understand why fish isn't meat, either, but I don't make the rules, so that's the way it is (for Catholics anyway). Either way, I don't eat fish, so it works out.

As for what I settled on, I eventually opted for the white pizza. As it turned out, I needed to go to Blockbuster and the pizza place I like is in the same shopping area, so I just got that. Of course, I heated up some perogies for lunch today.

I can see if you had them all the time, how you'd get sick of them. But in my family, growing up, they were only brought out on some Lenten Friday's and at Christmas, so luckily I never got tired of them.

/tk

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

I still don't get how seafood isn't meat.

It's not that it isn't meat, but "meat" it's not exactly what the original latin text says.

Abstinentiae lex vetat carne vesei, non autem ovis, lacticiniis et quibuslibet condimentis etiam ex adipe animalium

carnis (carne in the text) refers to mammal and birds, but is translated to "meat".

EDIT: Which means anyone who says fish isn't meat out of context with Lent doesn't know what they are talking about.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by sabotai

EDIT: Which means anyone who says fish isn't meat out of context with Lent doesn't know what they are talking about.

Ok, so "vegetarians" who eat fish are basically copying Catholicism (and probably not even realizing it). This will be fun information to use *grins evily*

SI

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by sabotai

It's not that it isn't meat, but "meat" it's not exactly what the original latin text says.

Abstinentiae lex vetat carne vesei, non autem ovis, lacticiniis et quibuslibet condimentis etiam ex adipe animalium

carnis (carne in the text) refers to mammal and birds, but is translated to "meat".

EDIT: Which means anyone who says fish isn't meat out of context with Lent doesn't know what they are talking about.

But, just out of curiosity... doesn't that merely suggest that back in those times, if there was a word meaning basically "edible mammals and birds" that the culture was pretty decisively making the same distinction that is challenged above... that, for edibility purposes, there's something distinc about the "meat" that comes from overland and the "meat" that comes from the sea? Strikes me that this distinction doesn't really start with the religious teachings, but rather that as a function of the time they were saying "meat... you know, not the fishies and stuff, but real meat."

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I pity the fool who don't eat my wife's pierogies!

Hehe.

Fool.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I pity the fool who don't eat my wife's pierogies!

Mrs. T has many many good flavors.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

But, just out of curiosity... doesn't that merely suggest that back in those times, if there was a word meaning basically "edible mammals and birds" that the culture was pretty decisively making the same distinction that is challenged above... that, for edibility purposes, there's something distinc about the "meat" that comes from overland and the "meat" that comes from the sea? Strikes me that this distinction doesn't really start with the religious teachings, but rather that as a function of the time they were saying "meat... you know, not the fishies and stuff, but real meat."

Well, for one thing, it's not just a distinction between mammals, birds and fish. It's basically saying everything, except for mammals and birds, is still fair game. Lizards, amphibians, insects, crustaceans, etc. So it's not just "overland" vs. "the sea".

And I'm sure there is a big distintion between meat from fish and meat from mammals or birds. Just like there is a distinction between meat from mammals and meat from birds. Why the Catholic church decided (or God decided) that meat from mammals and meat from birds had to go but meat from everything else was still a-ok, I have no idea. It probably did have to do with the general culture of the time. Maybe it had to do with some sort of superstition. Maybe it had to do with some kind of medical "knowledge" of the time.

Whatever the reason, I don't know. I would highly suspect, though, that the modern idea that "fish isn't meat" probably came from religious teachings that it was still ok to eat fish during Lent, a time when "meat" isn't allowed to be eaten. The modern definition of meat, at least in our language, clearly includes fish, along with anything else that is classified as an "animal".

[bosshogg23]

In honor of this thread and with respect for my tummy im making Potato, Monterey Jack & Swiss pierogies.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by bosshogg23

In honor of this thread and with respect for my tummy im making Potato, Montery Jack & Swiss pierogies.

Sweet, i just found a box of Cheddar and potato in my freezer. It's perogie night!

[bosshogg23]

Originally Posted by stevew

Sweet, i just found a box of Cheddar and potato in my freezer. It's perogie night!

Remember to boil them with butter like you enjoy

[bosshogg23]

A little bit of garlic salt, fried in butter, the pierogies are nearly done!

[terpkristin]

Originally Posted by bosshogg23

A little bit of garlic salt, fried in butter, the pierogies are nearly done!

I first read this line as "A little bit of organic salt, ..." and I couldn't for the life of me figure out exactly why you were using organic SALT of all things.

/tk

[finkenst]

just a thought...

perhaps the fish thing has to do with the miracle of feeding the 5000?

[st.cronin]

I'm going to guess that the difference between fish and red meat was an economic distinction: Fish being comparatively cheaper (easier to acquire) in the time and place where Christianity was born. So, abstaining from red meat was a way to unite the common man with the well off man.

It's just a guess, based on nothing at all.