Joey Harrington finally shipped to Miami

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:05 PM

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14565048.htm

Joey quicky decided on Miami, refusing to negotiate with anyone else, when they promised a lifetime supply of strawberries and champagne as a part of his contract.

Goodbye Joey. Have fun sitting behind Culpepper for the next 5 years.

rkmsuf · 05-12-2006, 02:07 PM

a sixth round pick is pretty bad. it's like we'll take a guy that has a 90% chance of never playing an nfl game for harrington.

sovereignstar · 05-12-2006, 02:08 PM

I wouldn't bet on Culpepper being the starter for the next five years.

GreenMonster · 05-12-2006, 02:09 PM

This is another great move for the Dolphins.. Harrington has been bad, but its tough in Detriot when your team is awful every year.. Harrington has put away his training wheels and most likely will see time starting for the Phins while Dante recovers.. Saban is GOD..

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

a sixth round pick is pretty bad. it's like we'll take a guy that has a 90% chance of never playing an nfl game for harrington.

The Lions didn't have a choice. Joey had his tiny brain set on Miami, and there was nothing that the Lions could do about it since Joey could refuse to renegotiate his contract somewhere else.

It's actually a miracle that Miami even gave the Lions anything, since Detroit would have had to cut him on June 15th anyway. The only reason Miami did the trade was to get Joey's sorry ass in mini-camp.

QuikSand · 05-12-2006, 02:10 PM

I have no idea if there's anything that can be reclaimed from this guy... but it certainly does seem that the spite he gets is out of proportion. I know, he singlehandedly hurt all the receivers and everything, and he probably was in cahoots with Maurice Clarett in his many misdeeds, but really now.

rkmsuf · 05-12-2006, 02:11 PM

A pretty bad job by the Lions to me. They did a horrible job positioning this guy regardless of their internal evaluation.

wade moore · 05-12-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I have no idea if there's anything that can be reclaimed from this guy... but it certainly does seem that the spite he gets is out of proportion. I know, he singlehandedly hurt all the receivers and everything, and he probably was in cahoots with Maurice Clarett in his many misdeeds, but really now.

This is something that amazes me too.

For the Dolphins, this seems like a VERY good pickup for a backup QB.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

I wouldn't bet on Culpepper being the starter for the next five years.

I wouldn't count on Harrington being more than a spot starter and career back-up. I watched every single game he's ever played, and yes, the talent around him has been poor, but he constantly makes bad decisions, gets too impatient in the pocket, and has terrible accuracy (see his career 54% completion % as proof).

cthomer5000 · 05-12-2006, 02:13 PM

I cannot possibly find fault with this move from the Dolphins perspective.

rkmsuf · 05-12-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

The Lions didn't have a choice. Joey had his tiny brain set on Miami, and there was nothing that the Lions could do about it since Joey could refuse to renegotiate his contract somewhere else.

It's actually a miracle that Miami even gave the Lions anything, since Detroit would have had to cut him on June 15th anyway. The only reason Miami did the trade was to get Joey's sorry ass in mini-camp.

True but I think this stems from prior years. The Lions never stuck up for this guy even if they only did it to increase his market. His stats are almost the same as Carr.

Just your sorry ass comment speaks to what has been proliferated about the guy.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by QuikSand

I have no idea if there's anything that can be reclaimed from this guy... but it certainly does seem that the spite he gets is out of proportion. I know, he singlehandedly hurt all the receivers and everything, and he probably was in cahoots with Maurice Clarett in his many misdeeds, but really now.

There reason he gets so much heat now, is because he's a quitter. Marinelli and Martz told him that he was the starter and were looking forward to meeting with him. Then Harrington came to QB camp, didn't pay attention, sulked, and generally acted like a douche. Then he asked for a trade.

Maybe we are being spiteful, but after all we've dealt with as Lion fans, I don't think people understand the frustration. The Lions have won 1 playoff game since 1956. One.

Desnudo · 05-12-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14565048.htm

Joey quicky decided on Miami, refusing to negotiate with anyone else, when they promised a lifetime supply of strawberries and champagne as a part of his contract.

Goodbye Joey. Have fun sitting behind Culpepper for the next 5 years.

I'm sure sleeping on a large pile of money with many beautiful women in a tropical city will cushion the blow a little.

sovereignstar · 05-12-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I wouldn't count on Harrington being more than a spot starter and career back-up. I watched every single game he's ever played, and yes, the talent around him has been poor, but he constantly makes bad decisions, gets too impatient in the pocket, and has terrible accuracy (see his career 54% completion % as proof).

I didn't mean to imply anything about Harrington. It's just my opinion that Culpepper's best years are behind him and he won't last long as the starter (2 seasons tops).

albionmoonlight · 05-12-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

A pretty bad job by the Lions to me. They did a horrible job positioning this guy regardless of their internal evaluation.

Yup. David Carr and Joey Harrington are both highly drafted quarterbacks who went to sucky teams that have been managed poorly--making it hard to know how good they really are. The big difference between them, from what I can see, is that the Texans have not gone out of their way to say that Carr sucks. Which means that if/when they have to trade him, his value should be higher than Harrington's.

Butter · 05-12-2006, 02:17 PM

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Maybe we are being spiteful, but after all we've dealt with as Lion fans, I don't think people understand the frustration. The Lions have won 1 playoff game since 1956. One.

Yep, there are no other bad teams out there that people root for.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I'm sure sleeping on a large pile of money with many beautiful women in a tropical city will cushion the blow a little.

I think that fulfilled his entire set of goals in the NFL.

seriously, I'm bitter, but if he can succeed, more power to him. I'm not going to root against the guy, I just think he's capable of being nothing more than a Ty Detmer type of back-up without the leadership skills.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yep, there are no other bad teams out there that people root for.

Not in the NFL as far as length of futility.

Besides, I'm not saying people can't feel the same way about their teams, or not feel that way. I'm just saying how I feel.

My grandpa went 50 years hoping that the Lions would win again but they never did. The only teams that could relate are the Cubs, Red Sox (until 2004), and maybe the Blackhawks. I'm sure there are others, but that's all I can think of right now.

GoSeahawks · 05-12-2006, 02:22 PM

I have no problem with Harrington wanting out of Detroit. If I worked at a job where everyone hated me I wouldn't want to stay.

wade moore · 05-12-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I think that fulfilled his entire set of goals in the NFL.

seriously, I'm bitter, but if he can succeed, more power to him. I'm not going to root against the guy, I just think he's capable of being more than a Ty Detmer type of back-up without the leadership skills.

Which, even if that is all he is, is a decent pickup for a 6th round pick.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Which, even if that is all he is, is a decent pickup for a 6th round pick.

I suppose.

Desnudo · 05-12-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I think that fulfilled his entire set of goals in the NFL.

seriously, I'm bitter, but if he can succeed, more power to him. I'm not going to root against the guy, I just think he's capable of being more than a Ty Detmer type of back-up without the leadership skills.

It's certainly possible. I'm sure there's a lot of guys in the NFL doing it purely for the paycheck/women/fame rather than the game. Maybe he's one of them.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wade moore

Which, even if that is all he is, is a decent pickup for a 6th round pick.

By the way, I meant "nothing more than a Ty Detmer type.."

albionmoonlight · 05-12-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Not in the NFL as far as length of futility.

My grandpa went 50 years hoping that the Lions would win again but they never did. The only teams that could relate are the Cubs, Red Sox (until 2004), and maybe the Blackhawks. I'm sure there are others, but that's all I can think of right now.

The New Orleans Saints have won one playoff game EVER. I think that they belong in the conversation at least.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The New Orleans Saints have won one playoff game EVER. I think that they belong in the conversation at least.

Yeah, like I said, I'm sure I forgot some.

Crapshoot · 05-12-2006, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

There reason he gets so much heat now, is because he's a quitter. Marinelli and Martz told him that he was the starter and were looking forward to meeting with him. Then Harrington came to QB camp, didn't pay attention, sulked, and generally acted like a douche. Then he asked for a trade.

Maybe we are being spiteful, but after all we've dealt with as Lion fans, I don't think people understand the frustration. The Lions have won 1 playoff game since 1956. One.

Spare me. There are limits to the abuse. I'm a Giants fan (San Fran) - they haven't won a world series in 50 years, and they were 3 innings away from it - before blowing it. Its not a license for abuse, especially of the kind Harrington gets.

Moreover, not to be rude Schmidty, but how exactly are you a judge of how an athelete is a "quitter" ?

Raiders Army · 05-12-2006, 02:30 PM

I'm surprised that the phrase "thrown under the bus" hasn't been used yet in this thread. Dadgum.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot

Moreover, not to be rude Schmidty, but how exactly are you a judge of how an athelete is a "quitter" ?

Someone who would be given the right to start, but decides to not take the challenge and asks to be shipped off to be a back-up somewhere.

Seriously, that's a good question. I'm not really sure that there's a definitive answer to that.

stevew · 05-12-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm surprised that the phrase "thrown under the bus" hasn't been used yet in this thread. Dadgum.

"Drinking the Kool Aid" is also noticeably absent.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:34 PM

I'm just amazed by how much non-Lion fans (and a small portion of Lion fans) want to coddle the guy. He DID NOT produce, and he was the 3rd pick in the draft. He has to be held accountable.

Sure, he probably doesn't deserve all of the venom, but it comes with the territory.

stevew · 05-12-2006, 02:35 PM

Harrington looked good for a bit in the Lions/Steelers game. I thought it was a bit odd that he didnt want to go to Cleveland and compete for their starting job.

Gary Gorski · 05-12-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

A pretty bad job by the Lions to me. They did a horrible job positioning this guy regardless of their internal evaluation.

And you expected something else from this organization? Millen has not handled this team very well. First he hires a bad coach with a bad system and then realizing that...hires the guy who was the one who taught him the system in the first place. Can't imagine why bringing the same kind of coach in to replace the one you fired didn't work.

Then of course he was responsible for things like making the Lions the punchline of every draft coverage show when witty analysts sarcastically suggested they will take a WR and there was the incident when he went on Ditka's radio show and talked about how one of the players has no balls. And of course there was the whole business about what a liar one of the local Lions cover guys was when the organization was trying to cover up what they were going to do with Joey. Then there was the story with Joey tanking QB camp...its just been one huge trainwreck.

I'm not a Joey supporter - I think he was an average QB here. I don't understand why people give him such a hard time though - he wasn't that great but who was? I can't honestly look at this team and say now that Joey is gone everything will be great. We're lucky we got anything for him after the way the situation was handled. The Lions signed three QBs this offseason already - it wasn't exactly a secret that they were done with Harrington yet they still expected to get something decent in return when they practically announced to the world they were going to just give him away for nothing.

Millen and the Lions have done a terrible job both internally and from a public stance - they should take a look across town and see how Dumars and the Pistons run their organization. When it was time to move Darko I didn't see anyone hanging him out to dry. Then again maybe that is why the Pistons are the best team in the NBA and the Lions the punchline of the NFL and that's too bad because I'd give anything for the days of Wayne Fontes and Barry Sanders right about now.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Harrington looked good for a bit in the Lions/Steelers game. I thought it was a bit odd that he didnt want to go to Cleveland and compete for their starting job.

I agree. I think it just goes along with his whole make-up.

Anyway, off to lunch. Don't chew me up too much while I'm gone guys. I mean, it's not like I'm joey Harrington.

Desnudo · 05-12-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm surprised that the phrase "thrown under the bus" hasn't been used yet in this thread. Dadgum.

I am suprised that the "dadgum" was used, gramps.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Gorski

The Lions signed three QBs this offseason already - it wasn't exactly a secret that they were done with Harrington yet they still expected to get something decent in return when they practically announced to the world they were going to just give him away for nothing.

They didn't sign Kitna and McCown until right after the QB school thing, and the trade request, so I don't think that's the Lions fault as far as that goes.

JS19 · 05-12-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I am suprised that the "dadgum" was used, gramps.

I am thrilled this word was used, and i hope to see more of it.

Raiders Army · 05-12-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

I am suprised that the "dadgum" was used, gramps.

I'm referring to another thread, doggone it. And I'm still young enough to whip you pesky kids and your dumb dog!

stevew · 05-12-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I agree. I think it just goes along with his whole make-up.

Anyway, off to lunch. Don't chew me up too much while I'm gone guys. I mean, it's not like I'm joey Harrington.

Cleveland is obviously not as nice as miami. But Harrington can grow a mean looking beard. I think Joey could have beaten out Frye pretty easily. Plus he'd have Braylon Edwards and the fuckin' Soldier to throw to, as well as Joe Jerevicious. Their line is probably going to be okay, so I don't think he would get killed. I would have put up with 2 years starting in Cleveland, to try to get a better starting job and a big money contract elsewhere. Somewhere like Green Bay, where you could face the Lions 2 times a year.

Gary Gorski · 05-12-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

They didn't sign Kitna and McCown until right after the QB school thing, and the trade request, so I don't think that's the Lions fault as far as that goes.

It was being reported back in January that the Lions were considering his release. I don't know if they leaked that intentionally as some suspect but it's not like this QB school thing just came out of the blue and they all of a sudden had to change their plans with Joey.

MalcPow · 05-12-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Cleveland is obviously not as nice as miami. But Harrington can grow a mean looking beard. I think Joey could have beaten out Frye pretty easily. Plus he'd have Braylon Edwards and the fuckin' Soldier to throw to, as well as Joe Jerevicious. Their line is probably going to be okay, so I don't think he would get killed. I would have put up with 2 years starting in Cleveland, to try to get a better starting job and a big money contract elsewhere. Somewhere like Green Bay, where you could face the Lions 2 times a year.

For some reason, I did a lot of laughing at the Soldier line. Slow day.

AlexB · 05-12-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14565048.htm

Joey quicky decided on Miami, refusing to negotiate with anyone else, when they promised a lifetime supply of strawberries and champagne as a part of his contract.

Goodbye Joey. Have fun sitting behind Culpepper for the next 5 years.

Noooooooooo!!!! Tell me it ain;t true - so this off season we've traded for a QB who fumbles every other snap, and when we bench him we've got a QB who throws to the opposition every other snap?

My life is complete

Bubba Wheels · 05-12-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I wouldn't count on Harrington being more than a spot starter and career back-up. I watched every single game he's ever played, and yes, the talent around him has been poor, but he constantly makes bad decisions, gets too impatient in the pocket, and has terrible accuracy (see his career 54% completion % as proof).

Harrington is a down-field passer, something the Lions haven't seen since the days of Wayne Fontes and the 'Silver Streak' offense. Many pointed out that it was a big mistake drafting him for the West-Nile offense.

Marriucci had taken the prehistoric '3yards and a cloud of dust' offenses from the Woody Hayes/Bo Schembeckler days and perfected it in passing form. A feat that ranks up there with, maybe, adding cupholders on motorcycles...in other words completely needless and useless.

I pointed out before in this forum Nick Saban is a first-rate coach (which means, of course, that any pro/college team in Michigan would have no use for him, like Michigan State) so it will be very interesting for me to watch the Dolphins. I would expect great and surprising things from Harrington/Saban this year.

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba Wheels

I would expect great and surprising things from Harrington/Saban this year.

Just like you believe aliens are behind the gas crisis because you heard it on Coast-to-Coast. They both have the same odds of being true.

edited to as a semi-heartfelt

Schmidty · 05-12-2006, 06:50 PM

Just so you know Bubba, I'm just ribbing. No real offense intended.

Rizon · 05-12-2006, 06:55 PM

Wow, in years past the Dolphins would have traded a 2nd round pick for him. This is a definate improvement on our trade AI.

chinaski · 05-12-2006, 06:57 PM

im probably the only Harrington fan still alive. Joey has what it takes, you will see - mark my words

Sucks he couldnt end up some place where he could start now, but more than likely Culpepper will implode or get hurt.

Bubba Wheels · 05-12-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Just like you believe aliens are behind the gas crisis because you heard it on Coast-to-Coast. They both have the same odds of being true.

edited to as a semi-heartfelt

Well, while I do listen to coast-to-coast the only aliens I really care about are the undocumented ones. And if you dig up my previous post you'll find I was absolutely right about Saban, because he be the man!

Bubba Wheels · 05-12-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chinaski

im probably the only Harrington fan still alive. Joey has what it takes, you will see - mark my words

Sucks he couldnt end up some place where he could start now, but more than likely Culpepper will implode or get hurt.

Word I heard is that Culpepper's knee is worse than reported and he could be out the first five games. Joey will get some game time. I really am interested to see what he can do under a real coach and a real pro offense.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-12-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rizon

Wow, in years past the Dolphins would have traded a 2nd round pick for him. This is a definate improvement on our trade AI.

I'm glad the Eagles dealt with them when they had their Beta AI

TroyF · 05-12-2006, 08:05 PM

I'm not sure if Harrington will ever be even an average QB. But I'm not sure Detroit ever really gave him a fair shake.

I'll never forget that Thanksgiving game. Joey is doing ok. Not great, but OK. The play calling is ridiculous. The Lions abandoned the run about fifteen seconds into the game. Joey has a drive that looks pretty good. They get inside Atlanta territory. Then the RT forgets how to block. (OK, I'm not sure he ever really knew how to block)

Patrick Kearney comes clean three straight plays and Harrington is drilled everytime.

Then we go to the sideline reporter. "The Lions are bringing in a new QB. The offensive coaches told the Lions WR to stay on their toes because the ball is going to be coming out quicker"

Ummmm. . . if you liked Garcia better, you should have started him. Joey didn't play that badly. Yet the Lions seemed to want to place the blame on him. As I said up there, I'm not sure he's ever going to be anything. But I don't think he got a fair shake either.

05-12-2006, 02:07 PM	#2
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	a sixth round pick is pretty bad. it's like we'll take a guy that has a 90% chance of never playing an nfl game for harrington. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

05-12-2006, 02:11 PM	#7
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	A pretty bad job by the Lions to me. They did a horrible job positioning this guy regardless of their internal evaluation. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

05-12-2006, 02:34 PM	#30
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I'm just amazed by how much non-Lion fans (and a small portion of Lion fans) want to coddle the guy. He DID NOT produce, and he was the 3rd pick in the draft. He has to be held accountable. Sure, he probably doesn't deserve all of the venom, but it comes with the territory. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

05-12-2006, 06:50 PM	#44
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Just so you know Bubba, I'm just ribbing. No real offense intended. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

05-12-2006, 02:08 PM	#3
sovereignstar Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004	I wouldn't bet on Culpepper being the starter for the next five years.

05-12-2006, 02:09 PM	#4
GreenMonster High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005	This is another great move for the Dolphins.. Harrington has been bad, but its tough in Detriot when your team is awful every year.. Harrington has put away his training wheels and most likely will see time starting for the Phins while Dante recovers.. Saban is GOD..

05-12-2006, 02:10 PM	#6
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	I have no idea if there's anything that can be reclaimed from this guy... but it certainly does seem that the spite he gets is out of proportion. I know, he singlehandedly hurt all the receivers and everything, and he probably was in cahoots with Maurice Clarett in his many misdeeds, but really now.

05-12-2006, 02:22 PM	#19
GoSeahawks High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Olympia, Wa	I have no problem with Harrington wanting out of Detroit. If I worked at a job where everyone hated me I wouldn't want to stay.

05-12-2006, 02:30 PM	#27
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I'm surprised that the phrase "thrown under the bus" hasn't been used yet in this thread. Dadgum.

05-12-2006, 02:35 PM	#31
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Harrington looked good for a bit in the Lions/Steelers game. I thought it was a bit odd that he didnt want to go to Cleveland and compete for their starting job.

05-12-2006, 06:57 PM	#46
chinaski College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon	im probably the only Harrington fan still alive. Joey has what it takes, you will see - mark my words Sucks he couldnt end up some place where he could start now, but more than likely Culpepper will implode or get hurt.

05-12-2006, 08:05 PM	#50
TroyF Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm not sure if Harrington will ever be even an average QB. But I'm not sure Detroit ever really gave him a fair shake. I'll never forget that Thanksgiving game. Joey is doing ok. Not great, but OK. The play calling is ridiculous. The Lions abandoned the run about fifteen seconds into the game. Joey has a drive that looks pretty good. They get inside Atlanta territory. Then the RT forgets how to block. (OK, I'm not sure he ever really knew how to block) Patrick Kearney comes clean three straight plays and Harrington is drilled everytime. Then we go to the sideline reporter. "The Lions are bringing in a new QB. The offensive coaches told the Lions WR to stay on their toes because the ball is going to be coming out quicker" Ummmm. . . if you liked Garcia better, you should have started him. Joey didn't play that badly. Yet the Lions seemed to want to place the blame on him. As I said up there, I'm not sure he's ever going to be anything. But I don't think he got a fair shake either.

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