Is Bryant Young a future Hall of Famer ?

Darkiller · 05-17-2006, 03:40 PM

We recently had this discussion on the 49ers' official forum : while I think there is no question that Bryant Young is a great player, a tremendous inspirational leader on and off the field and without a doubt one of the great 49ers ever, I just don't see him being Hall of Fame material.

I wanted to ask you that question since you guys here are obviously less biased so it's interesting to see how you feel about that.

stevew · 05-17-2006, 03:42 PM

It's apparently that time of year again. (the HOF threads).

Danny · 05-17-2006, 03:42 PM

No chance in hell

wade moore · 05-17-2006, 03:43 PM

There's no way his stats come even CLOSE to matching up for HoF material, is there?

albionmoonlight · 05-17-2006, 03:44 PM

I could certainly be persuaded otherwise if I see a well-reasoned argument, but my gut instinct was never "that guy's a Hall of Famer." It was much more along the lines of "that guy's a heck of a defensive lineman."

Eaglesfan27 · 05-17-2006, 03:44 PM

Year	Team	G	Total	Tckl	Ast	Sacks	Pass Def
1994	San Francisco 49ers	16	44	42.0	2	6	1
1995	San Francisco 49ers	12	28	25.0	3	6	2
1996	San Francisco 49ers	16	75	60.0	15	11.5	4
1997	San Francisco 49ers	12	45	39.0	6	4	2
1998	San Francisco 49ers	12	53	42.0	11	9.5	2
1999	San Francisco 49ers	16	40	36.0	4	11	4
2000	San Francisco 49ers	15	44	32.0	12	9.5	3
2001	San Francisco 49ers	16	37	31.0	6	3.5	0
2002	San Francisco 49ers	16	35	28.0	7	2	0
2003	San Francisco 49ers	16	35	29.0	6	3.5	4
2004	San Francisco 49ers	16	46	36.0	10	3	1
2005	San Francisco 49ers	13	36	32.0	4	8	2
TOTAL		176	518	432.0	86	77.5	25

He had a few very good years, but I don't see his stats being HOF worthy.

Huckleberry · 05-17-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkiller

We recently had this discussion on the 49ers' official forum : while I think there is no question that Bryant Young is a great player, a tremendous inspirational leader on and off the field and without a doubt one of the great 49ers ever, I just don't see him being Hall of Fame material.

I wanted to ask you that question since you guys here are obviously less biased so it's interesting to see how you feel about that.

I say no if only because his leg break on Monday Night Football nearly made me lose my dinner.

Bee · 05-17-2006, 04:04 PM

I would guess my left testicle has about the same chance of making the HOF as Bryant Young.

Joe · 05-17-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

There's no way his stats come even CLOSE to matching up for HoF material, is there?

no

Raiders Army · 05-17-2006, 05:46 PM

Where's the trout option?

Logan · 05-17-2006, 05:54 PM

Huge Niner fan. Huge B. Young fan. Have his jersey and wear it proudly.

No.

Daimyo · 05-17-2006, 07:01 PM

My initital reaction was no way. I always thought of him as a very solid player, but not a great player. However, I wanted some point of comparison so I decided to compare him to Sapp who I would guess is a lock for the HOF. His stats actually compare better than I expected (although I'd still take Sapp). I still don't think he has a chance though... the football HOF is as much about reputation as stats and he just doesn't have it.

Player		G	Total	Tckl	Ast	Sacks	Int	Yds	Avg	Lg	TD	Pass Def
Young		176	518	432.0	86	77.5	0	0	0.0	0	0	25
Sapp		166	472	365.0	107	84.5	4	8	2.0	5	1	22

Logan · 05-17-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Daimyo

However, I wanted some point of comparison so I decided to compare him to Sapp who I would guess is a lock for the HOF.

He is?

EDIT: Legitimately in disbelief...not trying to be a dick or anything.

wade moore · 05-17-2006, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan

He is?

EDIT: Legitimately in disbelief...not trying to be a dick or anything.

This was my initial thought as well. I think Sapp had a few pretty solid years that were over-hyped because his size and personality made good TV.

Joe · 05-17-2006, 07:52 PM

the HOF is less about stats and more about hype. otherwise, Joe Namath wouldn't be there. Sapp has (had?) the hype. Young has neither.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-17-2006, 09:08 PM

I don't think Sapp is a lock for the hall either.

Yes, he has the hype, but he really doesn't have the stats. Hype only carries one so far.

Eaglesfan27 · 05-17-2006, 09:19 PM

Most of the "Modern Era DT's" played before there was as much stat tracking, but here are stats of a few who I could find stats on who are in the Hall:

Randy White - 1,104 tackles, 701 solo tackles and 111 sacks.

Alan Page - 173 sacks.

Dan Hampton on the other hand only had 57 sacks.

Glengoyne · 05-17-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Drickman

No chance in hell

Nah he could buy a ticket. Or maybe Rice will have him comped when he goes in.

Daimyo · 05-17-2006, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan

He is?

EDIT: Legitimately in disbelief...not trying to be a dick or anything.

DTs don't generate stats as much as DEs or LBs. If you don't pick Sapp, what DT makes it from his era?

Swaggs · 05-17-2006, 11:18 PM

I would be surprised to see Young even make it as a finalist. When I think of the best DTs of his era, I think of Cortez Kennedy, John Randle, and (yes) Warren Sapp. I would put Young in the next tier with La'Roi Glover. With that said, if he played on the 49ers ten years earlier, he would have a great shot.

Jake Plummer · 05-18-2006, 03:59 AM

I'm a huge fan of the Niners and Bryant Young. The guy's been the face of the franchise ever since they let T.O. go. With that said, I still don't think he's a Hall of Famer. 49ers Ring of Honor? Absolutely. But I'm not going to argue that he's one of the game's greats. He plays a low-profile position and never really got much attention outside of San Fran.

Speaking of the 49ers, I got to meet Ronnie Lott last week. Now *that* is a HOF'er.

Raiders Army · 05-18-2006, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake Plummer

Speaking of the 49ers, I got to meet Ronnie Lott last week. Now *that* is a HOF'er.

I would guess that you would've met a lot of HOFers when you play the Raiders twice every year, Snake.

JeeberD · 05-18-2006, 09:20 AM

:o

Somehow I misread "Bryant Young" as "Kobe Bryant". Please ignore my YES vote...

stevew · 05-18-2006, 09:21 AM

Kobe Bryant Young MC

Bust a move~

Logan · 05-18-2006, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

Kobe Bryant Young MC

Bust a move~

Ken Norton Junior Bryant Young?

AgustusM · 05-18-2006, 04:52 PM

You cannot judge Defensive Lineman, especially DT on statistics.

I am not saying he is a sure HOF - he some great years, but has had injury problems. But good DT can dominate a game and barley show up on the stat sheet. Stats have no place in a discussion of DT worth.

Joe · 05-18-2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgustusM

You cannot judge Defensive Lineman, especially DT on statistics.

I am not saying he is a sure HOF - he some great years, but has had injury problems. But good DT can dominate a game and barley show up on the stat sheet. Stats have no place in a discussion of DT worth.

throw the stats out and hes still not close to the hof

MrBigglesworth · 05-18-2006, 06:36 PM

The Eagles play the Niners fairly often, and I never once thought, "Oh man, how are we going to stop Bryant Young?" So no.

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2006, 07:03 PM

young was never the same without stubblefield. that's the core of the problem

Jake Plummer · 05-19-2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I would guess that you would've met a lot of HOFers when you play the Raiders twice every year, Snake.

Yeah. Unfortunately for the Raiders, they were HOF-caliber players before they went to Oakland (i.e. Lott, Randy Moss, Warren Sapp).

daedalus · 05-19-2006, 05:25 AM

Not trying to provoke a fight, just curious (my mindset is similar to what has been said in this thread: great player, really liked him, not a HoFer), what would be a good . . . hrm . . . like, gauge for a defensive tackle making the Hall? As Daimyo and AgustusM said, it's hard to do numbers for them, as they just do not generate the same type of numbers as ends and linebackers.

As MrB said, teams don't really tend to go into games with the mindset of how to handle Young and adapting their gameplan for him (a la Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White). That is certainly a thought and falls into similar frame as what Swaggs said: Is he one of the best of his era? But how much of that is hype/reputation and do we end up falling into that trap (as the Hall is now reputed to be)?

stevew · 05-19-2006, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

The Eagles play the Niners fairly often, and I never once thought, "Oh man, how are we going to stop Bryant Young?" So no.

LoL

View Poll Results: Will 49er DT/DE Bryant Young make the Hall of Fame ?
YES he has a good chance	4	6.06%
he MIGHT have a chance, but certainly not on the 1st ballot	13	19.70%
NO way he is ever elected	49	74.24%
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05-17-2006, 09:08 PM	#16
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I don't think Sapp is a lock for the hall either. Yes, he has the hype, but he really doesn't have the stats. Hype only carries one so far. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

05-17-2006, 09:19 PM	#17
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Most of the "Modern Era DT's" played before there was as much stat tracking, but here are stats of a few who I could find stats on who are in the Hall: Randy White - 1,104 tackles, 701 solo tackles and 111 sacks. Alan Page - 173 sacks. Dan Hampton on the other hand only had 57 sacks. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

05-17-2006, 11:18 PM	#20
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I would be surprised to see Young even make it as a finalist. When I think of the best DTs of his era, I think of Cortez Kennedy, John Randle, and (yes) Warren Sapp. I would put Young in the next tier with La'Roi Glover. With that said, if he played on the 49ers ten years earlier, he would have a great shot. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

05-18-2006, 03:59 AM	#21
Jake Plummer n00b Join Date: May 2006	I'm a huge fan of the Niners and Bryant Young. The guy's been the face of the franchise ever since they let T.O. go. With that said, I still don't think he's a Hall of Famer. 49ers Ring of Honor? Absolutely. But I'm not going to argue that he's one of the game's greats. He plays a low-profile position and never really got much attention outside of San Fran. Speaking of the 49ers, I got to meet Ronnie Lott last week. Now that is a HOF'er. __________________ Arizona Cardinals FOF Website

05-17-2006, 03:42 PM	#2
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	It's apparently that time of year again. (the HOF threads).

05-17-2006, 03:42 PM	#3
Danny General Manager Join Date: Jul 2001	No chance in hell

05-17-2006, 03:44 PM	#5
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I could certainly be persuaded otherwise if I see a well-reasoned argument, but my gut instinct was never "that guy's a Hall of Famer." It was much more along the lines of "that guy's a heck of a defensive lineman."

05-17-2006, 04:04 PM	#8
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I would guess my left testicle has about the same chance of making the HOF as Bryant Young.

05-17-2006, 05:46 PM	#10
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Where's the trout option?

05-17-2006, 05:54 PM	#11
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Huge Niner fan. Huge B. Young fan. Have his jersey and wear it proudly. No.

05-17-2006, 07:52 PM	#15
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	the HOF is less about stats and more about hype. otherwise, Joe Namath wouldn't be there. Sapp has (had?) the hype. Young has neither.

05-18-2006, 09:20 AM	#23
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	:o Somehow I misread "Bryant Young" as "Kobe Bryant". Please ignore my YES vote... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

05-18-2006, 09:21 AM	#24
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Kobe Bryant Young MC Bust a move~

05-18-2006, 04:52 PM	#26
AgustusM College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2003	You cannot judge Defensive Lineman, especially DT on statistics. I am not saying he is a sure HOF - he some great years, but has had injury problems. But good DT can dominate a game and barley show up on the stat sheet. Stats have no place in a discussion of DT worth.

05-18-2006, 06:36 PM	#28
MrBigglesworth College Starter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: PA	The Eagles play the Niners fairly often, and I never once thought, "Oh man, how are we going to stop Bryant Young?" So no.

05-18-2006, 07:03 PM	#29
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	young was never the same without stubblefield. that's the core of the problem

05-19-2006, 05:25 AM	#31
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Not trying to provoke a fight, just curious (my mindset is similar to what has been said in this thread: great player, really liked him, not a HoFer), what would be a good . . . hrm . . . like, gauge for a defensive tackle making the Hall? As Daimyo and AgustusM said, it's hard to do numbers for them, as they just do not generate the same type of numbers as ends and linebackers. As MrB said, teams don't really tend to go into games with the mindset of how to handle Young and adapting their gameplan for him (a la Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White). That is certainly a thought and falls into similar frame as what Swaggs said: Is he one of the best of his era? But how much of that is hype/reputation and do we end up falling into that trap (as the Hall is now reputed to be)?

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