Bonds hits number 714!

DanGarion · 05-20-2006, 03:52 PM

I don't really care, but I figured I would announce it.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...ic.php?t=93980

Solecismic · 05-20-2006, 04:08 PM

Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought Hank Aaron held the record, not that Bonds or a team of steroid-addled idiots could erase what Ruth did in his time.

The only drama here is what happens when he asks the Angels for $20 million next year so he can continue to gimp after the record, and they offer $5 million.

Dutch · 05-20-2006, 04:08 PM

Yay! Bonds is tied for #2!

JS19 · 05-20-2006, 04:10 PM

2nd place is the first loser. I'm not one of those anti-Bonds guys, but I don't see the huge deal in tying 2nd place.

FBPro · 05-20-2006, 04:11 PM

Please hit one more soon so we can forget you.......

DanGarion · 05-20-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought Hank Aaron held the record, not that Bonds or a team of steroid-addled idiots could erase what Ruth did in his time.

The only drama here is what happens when he asks the Angels for $20 million next year so he can continue to gimp after the record, and they offer $5 million.

Honestly I don't really know. The Angels won't even give him an offer, regardless of the lack of class that Arte has.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-20-2006, 04:12 PM

Whoopdie f'n doo.
Does this mean steroid boy can be on TV and print less now?

DaddyTorgo · 05-20-2006, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Whoopdie f'n doo.
Does this mean steroid boy can be on TV and print less now?

well said

Bad-example · 05-20-2006, 04:19 PM

Congrats to Barry. Now tied for most homers by a lefty.

I don't see him in the AL next year, or on any team other than the Giants. No club is going to give him the same star treatment he gets in SF. He either resigns or retires.

bosshogg23 · 05-20-2006, 04:20 PM

I dont think its a big deal but when someone hits 62 homers in the future, it will be noted for passing Maris, even though that puts them in something like 7th place.

Id prefer if the channels didnt go to his ABs live but thats about my only issue.

Schmidty · 05-20-2006, 04:20 PM

That's a shame.

Galaril · 05-20-2006, 04:30 PM

I can't find this but I read that Aaron died in the last year or two. I don't remember seeing this? Is he still living?

Rizon · 05-20-2006, 04:31 PM

Of course it had to come against Chokeland. Great.

VPI97 · 05-20-2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

I can't find this but I read that Aaron died in the last year or two. I don't remember seeing this? Is he still living?

He's alive and well.

DanGarion · 05-20-2006, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

I can't find this but I read that Aaron died in the last year or two. I don't remember seeing this? Is he still living?

Yeah he died.

Schmidty · 05-20-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dangarion

Yeah he died.

What's with the rolleyes? He just asked a question.

FBPro · 05-20-2006, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Whoopdie f'n doo.
Does this mean steroid boy can be on TV and print less now?

God I hope so.....

DanGarion · 05-20-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

What's with the rolleyes? He just asked a question.

Because I took his question as sarcasm.

Schmidty · 05-20-2006, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dangarion

Because I took his question as sarcasm.

Ooooh.

Schmidty · 05-20-2006, 04:53 PM

The rolleye smilie confuses me a lot. It can mean so many things, but 90% of the time I take it as negative. It's a wierd little thing.

DanGarion · 05-20-2006, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

The rolleye smilie confuses me a lot. It can mean so many things, but 90% of the time I take it as negative. It's a wierd little thing.

I probably used it in the wrong context, but I roll my eyes a lot.

GrantDawg · 05-20-2006, 04:59 PM

I can see it as a big deal. Only three guys in 120+ years of baseball history has ever hit that many HR. How is that not a big deal? Now, the fact he did it by using steriods does tarnish the accomplishment. I don't see how it is unimportant though.

mckerney · 05-20-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaril

I can't find this but I read that Aaron died in the last year or two. I don't remember seeing this? Is he still living?

He's still alive, but he was on a plane with John Travolta. Maybe that's where you got confused.

Crapshoot · 05-20-2006, 05:08 PM

Woo hoo!

JS19 · 05-20-2006, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I can see it as a big deal. Only three guys in 120+ years of baseball history has ever hit that many HR. How is that not a big deal? Now, the fact he did it by using steriods does tarnish the accomplishment. I don't see how it is unimportant though.

I actually agree now that I think about it. It's not that people don't view it as an amazing accomplishment, or that it shouldn't be talked about, it's that SportsCenter and all this other idiots have been talking about Bonds for so long now that people are sick of anything Bonds related, good or bad.

bulletsponge · 05-20-2006, 05:56 PM

Quote:

I actually agree now that I think about it. It's not that people don't view it as an amazing accomplishment, or that it shouldn't be talked about, it's that SportsCenter and all this other idiots have been talking about Bonds for so long now that people are sick of anything Bonds related, good or bad.

yep, once ESPN gets thier mouth around some sports stars **** they wont stop sucking it dry until we can stand it no more

duckman · 05-20-2006, 06:03 PM

God hates baseball fans.

Young Drachma · 05-21-2006, 01:21 AM

It's not unimportant. People stink.

ISiddiqui · 05-21-2006, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I can see it as a big deal. Only three guys in 120+ years of baseball history has ever hit that many HR. How is that not a big deal? Now, the fact he did it by using steriods does tarnish the accomplishment. I don't see how it is unimportant though.

Indeed. It's like saying someone hitting 500 HRs wasn't a big deal, though a lot of people seemed to care when Griffey, Jr. was coming up to it. It's a milestone, it's important.

RawIsDan · 05-21-2006, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman

God hates baseball fans.

BradS · 05-21-2006, 10:17 AM

yeah, he went from a career high 49 to 73

hmm....no mystery here.

MizzouRah · 05-21-2006, 11:07 AM

At least he got one thing right in his press conference, "Now you can all go and watch Pujols".

miami_fan · 05-21-2006, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradS

yeah, he went from a career high 49 to 73

hmm....no mystery here.

Bad rational. If (When?) Albert hits 74 this year he would have jumped from a career high of 46.

clintl · 05-21-2006, 11:43 AM

This is pretty interesting - a pretty solid, well-reasoned attempt to estimate how many homers Barry would have hit by now without steroids if the allegations that he started taking them in 1999 are true.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=hruby/060512

clintl · 05-21-2006, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad-example

I don't see him in the AL next year, or on any team other than the Giants. No club is going to give him the same star treatment he gets in SF. He either resigns or retires.

If he continues to struggle, like he has so far this year, I don't see him coming back next year at all. I remember seeing a quote from him a few years in which he mentioned asking Willie Mays how Willie knew when it was time to retire, and Willie told him when it hurt too much to play any longer. I think Barry's there now.

pennywisesb · 05-21-2006, 11:51 AM

I just wish it hadn't come against Oakland.

clintl · 05-21-2006, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradS

yeah, he went from a career high 49 to 73

hmm....no mystery here.

The same year, Luis Gonzalez went from a career high of 31 to 57. You think based solely on the one-season jump in HRs that he was taking steroids? Luis is a skinny guy, was a skinny guy in 2001, and has always been a skinny guy.

You can't take a statistical jump in one season, and logically say that it proves anything at all. Baseball history is full of such occurrences (look at Davey Johnson in 1973, for example, when he hit 43 HRs, while never hitting more than 18 in any other season in his career).

Franklinnoble · 05-21-2006, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic

Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought Hank Aaron held the record, not that Bonds or a team of steroid-addled idiots could erase what Ruth did in his time.

The only drama here is what happens when he asks the Angels for $20 million next year so he can continue to gimp after the record, and they offer $5 million.

SFL Cat · 05-21-2006, 06:44 PM

People WOULD be very excited for him if he WEREN'T such a 'roid monster me-first jerk.

MrBug708 · 05-21-2006, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintl

The same year, Luis Gonzalez went from a career high of 31 to 57. You think based solely on the one-season jump in HRs that he was taking steroids? Luis is a skinny guy, was a skinny guy in 2001, and has always been a skinny guy.

You can't take a statistical jump in one season, and logically say that it proves anything at all. Baseball history is full of such occurrences (look at Davey Johnson in 1973, for example, when he hit 43 HRs, while never hitting more than 18 in any other season in his career).

If Luis would have added 60 pounds of muscle, people might raise their eyebrows...

clintl · 05-21-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

If Luis would have added 60 pounds of muscle, people might raise their eyebrows...

But that was my point. You can't look only at a sudden jump in HRs and conclude it was because of steroids because that kind of thing happened many times with many players in the past.

You want to know who else had that kind of sudden jump in HRs? Roger Maris. He went from a career high to 39 HRs to 61, then never hit more than 33 in a season the rest of his career. That's a bigger jump on a percentage basis than Bonds had. (Gonzalez's jump was almost twice as big on a percentage basis).

Young Drachma · 05-22-2006, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFL Cat

People WOULD be very excited for him if he WEREN'T such a 'roid monster me-first jerk.

I'm not here to talk about the past.

Karlifornia · 05-22-2006, 03:39 AM

Barry is the man, plain and simple. If he played for the Brewers, maybe I could find it my gentle heart to hate him (because, after all, he has murdered and eaten thousands of starving children), but the man is the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Also, steroids don't give you the unbelieveable plate discipline that he posesses

Deattribution · 05-22-2006, 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Barry is the man, plain and simple. If he played for the Brewers, maybe I could find it my gentle heart to hate him (because, after all, he has murdered and eaten thousands of starving children), but the man is the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Also, steroids don't give you the unbelieveable plate discipline that he posesses

It's alot easier to look extremely disciplined at the plate when everyone is afraid to throw you anything since youre so roided you could bunt it out of the park.

Karlifornia · 05-22-2006, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deattribution

It's alot easier to look extremely disciplined at the plate when everyone is afraid to throw you anything since youre so roided you could bunt it out of the park.

Bullshit, dude. Jose Canseco never got treated like that....and Bonds isn't even cose to the most physically intimidating player that has played in the past 20 years. Did you ever see Ron Gant or Bobby Estalella? There have been many anatomical freaks that have stepped in the batters box. None of them have scared pitchers like Barry.

clintl · 05-22-2006, 08:51 AM

Barry had the plate discipline his whole career except for the first couple of seasons. Yes, his walks skyrocketed when pitchers started overtly pitching around him, but he walked 100+ times a year every year from 1991 on except for the strike year and 1999, when he missed 1/3 of the season with his elbow injury, and he would have been over 100 walks those two years, too. He walked 151 times in 1996 and 145 times in 1997, which was before the alleged steroid use.

Young Drachma · 05-22-2006, 11:02 AM

I really can't understand all the Bonds hate. People never, ever scrutinized McGwire this way. And it was pretty obvious he was doing some pretty awful things.

Even if Barry is what all these naysayers want him to be, this villanous caricature of a real slugger, the fact is, he's not anything of the coward all those other guys who have vanished.

This just seems like the ultimate sign of jealousy by a media who wants to be the athletes rather than the geeks writing stories and from fans who wanna be jocks, who have this mystical notion that somehow ridding Barry Bonds records from the books without any proof -- just some federal grand jury witchhunt -- that was leaked to begin with, is just the sort of way to get baseball back to its pure beginnings.

Only, it never had them to begin with.

KWhit · 05-22-2006, 11:12 AM

That's funny, cause I really can't understand all the Bonds love.

Actually, McGwire got a ton of scruity - even when it was thought that his bulk was from a legal supplement, andro.

If there was a mountain of credible documentation of McGwire's steroid use that came to light during his chase for the record, the uproar would be just as loud as it is now for Bonds.

rkmsuf · 05-22-2006, 11:15 AM

nice homer, big head

now just get one more so you can go back under a rock for 3 or 4 months

Franklinnoble · 05-22-2006, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I really can't understand all the Bonds hate. People never, ever scrutinized McGwire this way. And it was pretty obvious he was doing some pretty awful things.

Even if Barry is what all these naysayers want him to be, this villanous caricature of a real slugger, the fact is, he's not anything of the coward all those other guys who have vanished.

This just seems like the ultimate sign of jealousy by a media who wants to be the athletes rather than the geeks writing stories and from fans who wanna be jocks, who have this mystical notion that somehow ridding Barry Bonds records from the books without any proof -- just some federal grand jury witchhunt -- that was leaked to begin with, is just the sort of way to get baseball back to its pure beginnings.

Only, it never had them to begin with.

Well, you make some good points - although, i'd suggest that while Sosa and McGwire have disappeared, their reputations have certainly been soiled. And Palmeiro got crucified.

You could take the entire steroid scandal away, and people would still hate on Bonds, because he's a jerk. The steroids made a lot more people hate him, and his response to the matter has made things worse, but Bonds was never popular with the fans or the media.

05-20-2006, 04:11 PM	#5
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Please hit one more soon so we can forget you....... __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

05-20-2006, 04:12 PM	#7
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Whoopdie f'n doo. Does this mean steroid boy can be on TV and print less now? __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

05-20-2006, 04:19 PM	#9
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	Congrats to Barry. Now tied for most homers by a lefty. I don't see him in the AL next year, or on any team other than the Giants. No club is going to give him the same star treatment he gets in SF. He either resigns or retires. __________________ Karaoke Katie drove the crowd wild Every time she'd sing they'd come in for miles Curtain came up, Katie came on Drinking like a lumberjack and singing Delta Dawn

05-21-2006, 01:21 AM	#28
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	It's not unimportant. People stink. __________________ Current dynasty: Up The Scots: Play To Clinch Tennis Dynasty \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

05-21-2006, 11:43 AM	#34
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	This is pretty interesting - a pretty solid, well-reasoned attempt to estimate how many homers Barry would have hit by now without steroids if the allegations that he started taking them in 1999 are true. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=hruby/060512 Last edited by clintl : 05-21-2006 at 11:46 AM.

05-20-2006, 04:08 PM	#2
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Can someone explain why this is a big deal? I thought Hank Aaron held the record, not that Bonds or a team of steroid-addled idiots could erase what Ruth did in his time. The only drama here is what happens when he asks the Angels for $20 million next year so he can continue to gimp after the record, and they offer $5 million.

05-20-2006, 04:08 PM	#3
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	Yay! Bonds is tied for #2!

05-20-2006, 04:10 PM	#4
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	2nd place is the first loser. I'm not one of those anti-Bonds guys, but I don't see the huge deal in tying 2nd place.

05-20-2006, 04:20 PM	#10
bosshogg23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Philly	I dont think its a big deal but when someone hits 62 homers in the future, it will be noted for passing Maris, even though that puts them in something like 7th place. Id prefer if the channels didnt go to his ABs live but thats about my only issue.

05-20-2006, 04:20 PM	#11
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	That's a shame.

05-20-2006, 04:30 PM	#12
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	I can't find this but I read that Aaron died in the last year or two. I don't remember seeing this? Is he still living?

05-20-2006, 04:53 PM	#20
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	The rolleye smilie confuses me a lot. It can mean so many things, but 90% of the time I take it as negative. It's a wierd little thing.

05-20-2006, 04:59 PM	#22
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	I can see it as a big deal. Only three guys in 120+ years of baseball history has ever hit that many HR. How is that not a big deal? Now, the fact he did it by using steriods does tarnish the accomplishment. I don't see how it is unimportant though.

05-20-2006, 05:08 PM	#24
Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Woo hoo!

05-21-2006, 10:17 AM	#31
BradS n00b Join Date: Nov 2005	yeah, he went from a career high 49 to 73 hmm....no mystery here.

05-21-2006, 11:07 AM	#32
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	At least he got one thing right in his press conference, "Now you can all go and watch Pujols".

05-21-2006, 11:51 AM	#36
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	I just wish it hadn't come against Oakland. __________________ Myspace Profile

05-21-2006, 06:44 PM	#39
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	People WOULD be very excited for him if he WEREN'T such a 'roid monster me-first jerk.

05-22-2006, 03:39 AM	#43
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	Barry is the man, plain and simple. If he played for the Brewers, maybe I could find it my gentle heart to hate him (because, after all, he has murdered and eaten thousands of starving children), but the man is the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Also, steroids don't give you the unbelieveable plate discipline that he posesses __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com Last edited by Karlifornia : 05-22-2006 at 03:41 AM.

05-22-2006, 08:51 AM	#46
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	Barry had the plate discipline his whole career except for the first couple of seasons. Yes, his walks skyrocketed when pitchers started overtly pitching around him, but he walked 100+ times a year every year from 1991 on except for the strike year and 1999, when he missed 1/3 of the season with his elbow injury, and he would have been over 100 walks those two years, too. He walked 151 times in 1996 and 145 times in 1997, which was before the alleged steroid use.

05-22-2006, 11:02 AM	#47
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I really can't understand all the Bonds hate. People never, ever scrutinized McGwire this way. And it was pretty obvious he was doing some pretty awful things. Even if Barry is what all these naysayers want him to be, this villanous caricature of a real slugger, the fact is, he's not anything of the coward all those other guys who have vanished. This just seems like the ultimate sign of jealousy by a media who wants to be the athletes rather than the geeks writing stories and from fans who wanna be jocks, who have this mystical notion that somehow ridding Barry Bonds records from the books without any proof -- just some federal grand jury witchhunt -- that was leaked to begin with, is just the sort of way to get baseball back to its pure beginnings. Only, it never had them to begin with. __________________ Current dynasty: Up The Scots: Play To Clinch Tennis Dynasty \| OOTP Mod: Managerial Strategy Files \| GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc \| FBCB Mods on Github

05-22-2006, 11:12 AM	#48
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	That's funny, cause I really can't understand all the Bonds love. Actually, McGwire got a ton of scruity - even when it was thought that his bulk was from a legal supplement, andro. If there was a mountain of credible documentation of McGwire's steroid use that came to light during his chase for the record, the uproar would be just as loud as it is now for Bonds. Last edited by KWhit : 05-22-2006 at 11:12 AM.

05-22-2006, 11:15 AM	#49
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	nice homer, big head now just get one more so you can go back under a rock for 3 or 4 months __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)