I miss CART

rexallllsc · 05-28-2006, 05:11 AM

I saw the 93 Indy 500 on ESPN Classic Today - the Unser/Goodyear one.

I miss CART.

TLK · 05-28-2006, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

I saw the 93 Indy 500 on ESPN Classic Today - the Unser/Goodyear one.

I miss CART.

You and me both...

clintl · 05-28-2006, 10:28 AM

I saw the end of that. I had no idea ESPN Classic was broadcasting past races. Great race. I had forgotten that Al Unser Sr. finished third in that race.

sabotai · 05-28-2006, 10:37 AM

I remember watching that race back when it happened. I was a big Unser Jr fan at the time so I was quite happy when Andretti's car just died when he was almost a lap ahead of everyone. That was a great race.

General Mike · 05-28-2006, 01:31 PM

Is that the one where Nigel Mansell was flipping out? If so, great stuff.

MylesKnight · 05-28-2006, 03:07 PM

CART was fantastic.. All the big names.. Having Andretti, Unser Jr., Cheever, etc., back this year is great.

Hoping for Michael Andretti to finally get it done today.

kingfc22 · 05-28-2006, 03:17 PM

Andretti in the front with 6 to go.

kingfc22 · 05-28-2006, 03:18 PM

And his son in 2nd...

TLK · 05-28-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MylesKnight

CART was fantastic.. All the big names.. Having Andretti, Unser Jr., Cheever, etc., back this year is great.

Hoping for Michael Andretti to finally get it done today.

Big name and Cheever in the same sentence....

kingfc22 · 05-28-2006, 03:22 PM

TLK · 05-28-2006, 03:23 PM

holy shit.... and I never thought I'd say that for an IRL race.

JonInMiddleGA · 05-28-2006, 03:29 PM

Bad luck finish (IMO) for the sport overall.

The finish was a dandy, no question about it, even had me talking to the TV for something I really have pfftt interest in the rest of the year.

But ...

If Marco wins, you've got a story that has better legs than the one that you end up with.

I wasn't particularly a fan of Mario, never really interested in Michael, but IMO any Andretti is going to generate more interest long term than Hornish, who has won two championships but isn't someone the sport can really hang their hat on.

General Mike · 05-28-2006, 03:31 PM

Great ending. I knew Hornish was gonna catch him.

Tyrith · 05-28-2006, 03:58 PM

A great finish, but as has already been said, the IRL would have been a lot better off with an Andretti winning, no matter how good Hornish is.

MylesKnight · 05-28-2006, 04:00 PM

Michael just didn't have the car, and Marco just missed.. Damn.

clintl · 05-28-2006, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by General Mike

Is that the one where Nigel Mansell was flipping out? If so, great stuff.

No. The Unser/Goodyear race was 1992. Mansell didn't race in CART until the next year.

clintl · 05-28-2006, 04:03 PM

I used to root against the Andrettis. In recent years, though, I've become a fan of them. I was hoping Michael would finally win, and when Marco passed him, then I was hoping Marco could hold Hornish off.

Oilers9911 · 05-28-2006, 05:04 PM

Thank God an Andretti didn't win. Both CHAMP Car and IRL are jokes now. They need to reunite and have both ovals and road courses.

TLK · 05-28-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Bad luck finish (IMO) for the sport overall.

The finish was a dandy, no question about it, even had me talking to the TV for something I really have pfftt interest in the rest of the year.

But ...

If Marco wins, you've got a story that has better legs than the one that you end up with.

I wasn't particularly a fan of Mario, never really interested in Michael, but IMO any Andretti is going to generate more interest long term than Hornish, who has won two championships but isn't someone the sport can really hang their hat on.

Interest in this years 500 was down anyway. As an example, last year we had a two (maybe three or four) page thread on the race and a few Danica Patrick threads. This year, we have a thread titled, "I Miss CART", which I'm guessing was the feeling of at least half the folks watching this years race. Open-wheel racing needs a merger to end this suffering. The merger needs to happen in the next month or so, because even the biggest diehards are losing faith. a 2007 Indy with bumping and everyone under one umbrella would be great.

Galaxy · 05-28-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLionKing

Interest in this years 500 was down anyway. As an example, last year we had a two (maybe three or four) page thread on the race and a few Danica Patrick threads. This year, we have a thread titled, "I Miss CART", which I'm guessing was the feeling of at least half the folks watching this years race. Open-wheel racing needs a merger to end this suffering. The merger needs to happen in the next month or so, because even the biggest diehards are losing faith. a 2007 Indy with bumping and everyone under one umbrella would be great.

Yeap, just keep Tony George out of the control booth, and use the ChampCar bodies (those IRL bodies look ugly as heck). I actually watched the poor broadcasting of the F1 race in glam Monaco (that place looks like a "dream-like" place for the wealthy).

Dutch · 05-29-2006, 09:13 AM

I was a huge antagonist of the IRL when the split first started and I thought for sure that the IRL in those days meant the end of the Indy 500. But the last couple of seasons have been impressive for the big race.

My interest in the 500 has been way up. The IRL has done a pretty good job or getting some interesting story-lines back into play and are allowing those story-lines to now build.

Will Danica Patrick be the first woman to ever win the Indy 500?

Was the last second loss for 19-year old Marco Andretti a look into something great or was it the beginning of a new Andretti 500 curse?

Will Thomas Schekter actually live to see an Indy 500 win? (He has the worst luck when it comes to accidents but is an excellent driver)

Meanwhile, I was a huge CART fan in the 90's. I guess Paul Tracy is still there and Team Green. But other than that? Put a fork in it. Nothing. Flatline. Boring. No story. No big tracks to draw interest. (Not including race-day attendance, CART and IRL both do a pretty good job with that.)

All the good drivers have moved to IRL. Either there is a merger where CART concedes a few more things than the IRL, or CART will continue to drop. The bottom line is CART lost the battle, they actually lost a long time ago, it's time for CART to get over it and move on.

At the end of the day, fight as you will, the one constant that will survive and is surviving is the Indianapolis 500. It's the high-ground in this fight. And without it, the fight just looks depressing to watch.

For CART the writing is on the wall, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

I hope they do rejoin, but at this point, why should I care if they do or not?

clintl · 05-29-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch

Will Thomas Schekter actually live to see an Indy 500 win? (He has the worst luck when it comes to accidents but is an excellent driver)

Actually, I don't think Schekter is an excellent driver. Talented, yes, but way too reckless, and that's why he's on a second-rate team. He's had his chances and blown them. Sort of like the young Paul Tracy, although Tracy eventually got smarter. I don't really see a lot of evidence that Schekter is getting smarter.

As for CART (or Champ Car, as it is called now), it lost the battle when Roger Penske defected. Once Roger decided that the IRL was a better place for him, it was inevitable that most of the other top teams would follow.

Dutch · 05-29-2006, 09:54 AM

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Actually, I don't think Schekter is an excellent driver. Talented, yes, but way too reckless, and that's why he's on a second-rate team. He's had his chances and blown them. Sort of like the young Paul Tracy, although Tracy eventually got smarter. I don't really see a lot of evidence that Schekter is getting smarter.

Okay, he's got some pretty big green bars....how about that?

Craptacular · 05-29-2006, 10:01 PM

I was never a big Penske fan, but it was a big straw when he left. What really pissed me off, besides the original antics of TG of course, was when Andretti became a traitor. I liked the Andrettis, but will have a hard time rooting for them when the series merge.

TheLionKing, I'm disappointed in you. You watched it??

05-28-2006, 03:07 PM	#6
MylesKnight College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida	CART was fantastic.. All the big names.. Having Andretti, Unser Jr., Cheever, etc., back this year is great. Hoping for Michael Andretti to finally get it done today. __________________ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BLACK & GOLD!!

05-28-2006, 03:17 PM	#7
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Andretti in the front with 6 to go. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-28-2006, 03:18 PM	#8
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	And his son in 2nd... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-28-2006, 03:22 PM	#10
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	WOW. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

05-28-2006, 03:29 PM	#12
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Bad luck finish (IMO) for the sport overall. The finish was a dandy, no question about it, even had me talking to the TV for something I really have pfftt interest in the rest of the year. But ... If Marco wins, you've got a story that has better legs than the one that you end up with. I wasn't particularly a fan of Mario, never really interested in Michael, but IMO any Andretti is going to generate more interest long term than Hornish, who has won two championships but isn't someone the sport can really hang their hat on. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

05-28-2006, 10:28 AM	#3
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	I saw the end of that. I had no idea ESPN Classic was broadcasting past races. Great race. I had forgotten that Al Unser Sr. finished third in that race.

05-28-2006, 10:37 AM	#4
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I remember watching that race back when it happened. I was a big Unser Jr fan at the time so I was quite happy when Andretti's car just died when he was almost a lap ahead of everyone. That was a great race.

05-28-2006, 01:31 PM	#5
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Is that the one where Nigel Mansell was flipping out? If so, great stuff.

05-28-2006, 03:23 PM	#11
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	holy shit.... and I never thought I'd say that for an IRL race.

05-28-2006, 03:31 PM	#13
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Great ending. I knew Hornish was gonna catch him. __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

05-28-2006, 03:58 PM	#14
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	A great finish, but as has already been said, the IRL would have been a lot better off with an Andretti winning, no matter how good Hornish is.

05-28-2006, 04:00 PM	#15
MylesKnight College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida	Michael just didn't have the car, and Marco just missed.. Damn. __________________ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BLACK & GOLD!!

05-28-2006, 04:03 PM	#17
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	I used to root against the Andrettis. In recent years, though, I've become a fan of them. I was hoping Michael would finally win, and when Marco passed him, then I was hoping Marco could hold Hornish off.

05-28-2006, 05:04 PM	#18
Oilers9911 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	Thank God an Andretti didn't win. Both CHAMP Car and IRL are jokes now. They need to reunite and have both ovals and road courses.

05-29-2006, 09:13 AM	#21
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I was a huge antagonist of the IRL when the split first started and I thought for sure that the IRL in those days meant the end of the Indy 500. But the last couple of seasons have been impressive for the big race. My interest in the 500 has been way up. The IRL has done a pretty good job or getting some interesting story-lines back into play and are allowing those story-lines to now build. Will Danica Patrick be the first woman to ever win the Indy 500? Was the last second loss for 19-year old Marco Andretti a look into something great or was it the beginning of a new Andretti 500 curse? Will Thomas Schekter actually live to see an Indy 500 win? (He has the worst luck when it comes to accidents but is an excellent driver) Meanwhile, I was a huge CART fan in the 90's. I guess Paul Tracy is still there and Team Green. But other than that? Put a fork in it. Nothing. Flatline. Boring. No story. No big tracks to draw interest. (Not including race-day attendance, CART and IRL both do a pretty good job with that.) All the good drivers have moved to IRL. Either there is a merger where CART concedes a few more things than the IRL, or CART will continue to drop. The bottom line is CART lost the battle, they actually lost a long time ago, it's time for CART to get over it and move on. At the end of the day, fight as you will, the one constant that will survive and is surviving is the Indianapolis 500. It's the high-ground in this fight. And without it, the fight just looks depressing to watch. For CART the writing is on the wall, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." I hope they do rejoin, but at this point, why should I care if they do or not?

05-29-2006, 10:01 PM	#24
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	I was never a big Penske fan, but it was a big straw when he left. What really pissed me off, besides the original antics of TG of course, was when Andretti became a traitor. I liked the Andrettis, but will have a hard time rooting for them when the series merge. TheLionKing, I'm disappointed in you. You watched it??

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