I just gave my 1 month (29 day) notice today...

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2006, 11:33 AM

I just needed to get some thoughts out, and this is a safe place to do so. I kept trying to meet with my boss in his office, but he is very busy and wanted to do it while walking in the hallways, even though I told him it was very important. He told me that I was betraying his mentorship and that he desperately needed me at work now, but he couldn't even come close to matching the financial terms that I was offered at this other job.

I shouldn't be feeling guilty, but he is a psychiatrist as well, and he did a heck of a job laying a guilt trip on me. I do feel bad that I'm leaving academic medicine as this was something I wanted to do, and I love teaching. I also feel bad leaving New Orleans as I know that 70-80% of the docs have left and their is a need for psychiatrists in the city.

However, I've asked for a raise several times and have been told no. I've been told that there was a chance my salary would be cut down. I've taken on growing number of responsibilities and titles in the last year, but no compensation has come with them. Therefore, I started looking around.

I found another public sector job (which was very important to me since my mom relied on public sector medicine to treat myself and her when I was little.) However, this other public sector job is offering substantially more money per year to me. Also, this job unlike the university job doesn't put a limit to my seeing a few (or many if I want to work many hours per week which I don't; 48-50 will probably be my limit) private sector patients on the side if I choose to do so. This will raise my salary even more should I choose to do so, but it will be my choice. Right now, I can't do that because of the way the University negotiates all of their employees contracts.

I shouldn't feel guilty because I'm doing what is best for my family while still serving an important function to a community of underprivlidged people. However, I still do feel a bit guilty (although less than when I started writing this.) Anyway, my thoughts are a bit of a jumble now, but just wanted to put some of them down somewhere.

Butter · 06-02-2006, 11:36 AM

Good luck, EF27. I know the last year has been a roller coaster. Hope things work out for you.

Lathum · 06-02-2006, 11:36 AM

You shouldn't feel guilty at alland shame on your boss for trying to make you feel that way. You should be happy you are making the change because this obviously isn't the kind of person you want to be working for.

AZSpeechCoach · 06-02-2006, 11:40 AM

EF27, given everything that you have been saying for the past 9 months about how these people have been treating you, it is clear that they do not really value and respect you. Money is only one small part of it. You need this change and you deserve to work in an environment where you can be appreciated.

Draft Dodger · 06-02-2006, 11:41 AM

I hope you get the guilt in check - it sounds like they've taken much more advantage of you than vise versa.

ironically, my father-in-law just retired Wednesday from his psychiatric job to go work at a private practice.

DaddyTorgo · 06-02-2006, 11:41 AM

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EF27, given everything that you have been saying for the past 9 months about how these people have been treating you, it is clear that they do not really value and respect you. Money is only one small part of it. You need this change and you deserve to work in an environment where you can be appreciated.

what he said

KevinNU7 · 06-02-2006, 11:42 AM

Personally I would talk to the new job and see how early you can start. Then I'd tell the old boss to eat it and shorten my notice. But I can be a bit of a dick about these things.

Emiliano · 06-02-2006, 11:45 AM

Best of luck Brian, you made the right decision.

CamEdwards · 06-02-2006, 11:46 AM

It's always tough to leave a job when you have empathy for the people that will be affected. That being said, you still have to do what's best for you and your family.

Where will you be moving to (I apparently missed any earlier threads dealing with you leaving)?

Samdari · 06-02-2006, 11:50 AM

I think you owe your employers nothing but the time they pay for, unless you signed a contract acknowledging that you would owe them X years of service due to the extremely high value of their mentorship.

Any mentorship he provided probably did make you a better psychiatrist. But, here's a secret, he did that for his benefit, the fact that it benefitted you as well was an unfortunate, unintended consequence.

Icy · 06-02-2006, 11:51 AM

Take the new job, your familly is always the first thing. Also for what you have been writing, they didn't respect you enought in the past. If i remember correctly, they even kicked you out of your own office room because they had other areas more important than your psychiatry.

Franklinnoble · 06-02-2006, 11:52 AM

Greed is good.

finketr · 06-02-2006, 11:55 AM

Did your pay structure get bumped down since you've turned in your resignation?

JeeberD · 06-02-2006, 11:56 AM

You did the right thing, Doc...

Swaggs · 06-02-2006, 12:09 PM

The fact that he tried to make you feel guilty about leaving should be enough to tell you that you are making the right move. I think anything beyond a "We're sorry to see you go.." or "We will certainly miss having you here..." is pretty unprofessional. If he is making your decision to move your family into a better situation as a personal betrayal, then that should show you that he is far more concerned with himself, and his situation, than you and yours.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2006, 12:10 PM

I'll start working at a public mental health clinic in Baton Rouge at the beginning of July, Cam. I've known I was going to move for a few months, but couldn't give notice because past employees who have done so have had their salary cut in half by the university. Therefore, I purposefully waited until after my May (we get monthly checks) check cleared. My new job is about 15 miles from my new home, and the new job has made it abundantly clear that I was valued and respected. They have been recruiting me for over a year and were willing to sign me a to a contract in March but wait for me to start in July. I did this because I wanted to be honorable and serve out my contract which was signed last year and lasted until the end of June 06. I didn't want to leave mid contract like many of the university's doctors did. As far as my salary getting cut, I haven't been told that would be the case yet, but given the fact that EVERY other employee who has given notice has had their salary cut in half, I will be shocked if it isn't cut when I get my June paycheck.

albionmoonlight · 06-02-2006, 12:12 PM

You have to do what it right for your family and your career going forward.

And, like you said, you are not giving up public sector work just to go make as much money as possible. You are still contributing to the community.

Good luck with the new job.

Franklinnoble · 06-02-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I'll start working at a public mental health clinic in Baton Rouge at the beginning of July, Cam. I've known I was going to move for a few months, but couldn't give notice because past employees who have done so have had their salary cut in half by the university. Therefore, I purposefully waited until after my May (we get monthly checks) check cleared. My new job is about 15 miles from my new home, and the new job has made it abundantly clear that I was valued and respected. They have been recruiting me for over a year and were willing to sign me a to a contract in March but wait for me to start in July. I did this because I wanted to be honorable and serve out my contract which was signed last year and lasted until the end of June 06. I didn't want to leave mid contract like many of the university's doctors did. As far as my salary getting cut, I haven't been told that would be the case yet, but given the fact that EVERY other employee who has given notice has had their salary cut in half, I will be shocked if it isn't cut when I get my June paycheck.

I still don't get how that pay cut scam is legal. I'd really be inclined to speak to an attorney on that issue.

DaddyTorgo · 06-02-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I still don't get how that pay cut scam is legal. I'd really be inclined to speak to an attorney on that issue.

i was just about to post the same thing. especially if you are under contract i would think there would be provisions against that.

Raiders Army · 06-02-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

You shouldn't feel guilty at alland shame on your boss for trying to make you feel that way. You should be happy you are making the change because this obviously isn't the kind of person you want to be working for.

Exactly. Your boss should look out for your welfare no matter what...even if it means you don't work for him.

JediKooter · 06-02-2006, 12:23 PM

You have to do what is good for you, not him. Is he going to help pay your bills if you stay there and they cut your salary? I'm thinking he won't.

I say, good move on your part and hope you the best of success.

BrianD · 06-02-2006, 12:59 PM

I can understand the boss being disappointed, but don't let it get you down. He should do what is best for the business and you should do what is best for you and your family. If he was doing what is best for the business, he would have done what was necessary to keep you. Since he didn't do that, you have to look out for yourself.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-02-2006, 01:04 PM

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... EVERY other employee who has given notice has had their salary cut in half,

Dude, right there is the end of the line for any guilt trip this boss tried to lay on you.

I know there's often some self-induced guilt with leaving a lot of jobs, there's a lot of emotional investment that goes with certain jobs & places, seems natural that there'll be some guilt connected to the separation from people that you've been in the trenches with.

That said, you really ought to try reading some of the things you've written about your job situation. Good Lord man, there's more screwing of employees going on in that environment than your average whorehouse. You have NO obligation to wait around to be the next person they take carnal knowledge of (i.e., I don't believe it's a matter of IF they fuck you over, it's just a matter of WHEN they fuck you over).

The other thing I wish you would try to read from a third person p.o.v. is what you said about your desire & willingness to stay in the public service side of the business. That's NOT a decision, or even a priority, for the vast majority of people in the world. AFAIC, you've earned more than enough "moral equity" ,or whatever phrase you prefer, to alleviate any need for any guilt just by that being a part of your decision making process.

MalcPow · 06-02-2006, 01:08 PM

Congrats on the new job EF27, this sounds like a great thing all around. The guilt tripping and frustration is usually the first response when someone you see as valuable is unexpectedly leaving, I've been guilty of it myself before. It will blow over.

WSUCougar · 06-02-2006, 01:22 PM

Yup, congrats on the new job, and don't spend a whole lot of time looking back. Clearly your "mentor" recognized you as a bargain (good employee, paid on the cheap) and doesn't want to lose that. That's understandable. Jobs inevitably boil down to what you are willing to take for the work you perform, and vice-versa from the employer's perspective. It sounds like the employer, in this case, came out way ahead on you as an employee.

But the bottom line is that you do not need anyone - least of all him - to somehow sanctify your work ethic. You are obviously a very conscientious, quality person, and that stands on its own merits. Carry on.

stevew · 06-02-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I still don't get how that pay cut scam is legal. I'd really be inclined to speak to an attorney on that issue.

If he was going to get cut for 2 months like he feared, then, yeah, it might be worth it to seek an attorney. At one month, it's probably better to just let it go, although I could see pressing it also. Which is not to say that he's made of money or anything, but it would seemingly be kind of hard to get an attorney of any decent skills to go after a relatively small amount of money. I think he said it was something like 4 or 6 grand. Plus you could end up burning up several work days, and tarnish your work reputation unneedingly.

And you did the right thing EF27, they were attempting to "friend" you into staying, and the fact that they make you feel like a dick about it isn't cool at all. I had a couple jobs I stayed at way too long, and felt guilty about leaving before. But after the situation passed i realized i was stupid to have cared, because there was no mutual caring going on, they were just being selfish.

Definately made the right call here.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2006, 01:29 PM

Thanks guys. Your words are making me feel better. As far as the whole legality of the pay cutting issue, it would take years to fight the state, and even if someone won, the state can cry poor and not pay. Yes, it will be a significant hit financially this month if they cut my pay in half, but attorneys fees and the lengthy process are going to preclude my fighting it as I imagine has been the case for former employees to leave this year.

stevew · 06-02-2006, 01:30 PM

You should have just said

"Due to past injustices, I am unwilling to stay with your team."

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

You should have just said

"Due to past injustices, I am unwilling to stay with your team."

I was thinking of that right before the conversation

JonInMiddleGA · 06-02-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

"Due to past injustices, I am unwilling to stay with your team."

I can see it now.
The boss goes off his rocker trying to figure out what this cryptic comment means ... and then he goes to EF's private practice to pay for help sorting it all out.

It's really a win-win if you think about it

judicial clerk · 06-02-2006, 01:58 PM

Hey Eaglesfan27, don't lose too much sleep over this. The first time you sell-out is always the toughest. Pretty soon you will find selling out (along with back-stabbing, under cutting, and corporate shilling) is as easy as sliding into a warm bath. Welcome to the good life my white, suburban, McMansion brother.

Just kidding. Crongratulations on your move. It is never fun to work at an unstable job (ask ksyrup). A boss who will lay a guilt trip on you when you are making what is obviously the right decision is also the kind of boss who will leave you hanging when the next budget cut comes. Also, in a profession like yours, you are going to be helping people in need wherever you choose to work.

or maybe Im not kidding and I wish you would stop pushing your vodoo medicine on our society and do something productive with your life like making movies or working in a scientology re-education camp or something

I... I've said too much.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 02:01 PM

I think everybody on the board knew this thread was coming. You can only keep a good man down for so long.

flere-imsaho · 06-02-2006, 02:04 PM

You've made the right decision. Good luck!

Franklinnoble · 06-02-2006, 02:16 PM

I'm just wondering about your boss' reaction and the whole loyalty-guilt-trip deal.

When you signed on a year ago (or whenever), were you given a signing bonus, or any other special financial consideration (payoff of school loans, whatever)?

If that's the case, then I'd say his feelings are a little more understandable. Otherwise, he's just being a jerk.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I'm just wondering about your boss' reaction and the whole loyalty-guilt-trip deal.

When you signed on a year ago (or whenever), were you given a signing bonus, or any other special financial consideration (payoff of school loans, whatever)?

If that's the case, then I'd say his feelings are a little more understandable. Otherwise, he's just being a jerk.

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No signing bonus. No other special financial consideration. It was a standard contract with a specification of a yearly salary for 40 hours/week of work with no call. The new job I took on after Katrina included Attending Call 6 days/week supervising residents. I asked for a raise since I was doing more work. I never got a raise.

finketr · 06-02-2006, 02:19 PM

you should have pulled a TO and held out for more money...

however, it'd be interesting if they said "you signed a contract for $X so no raise" and then turn around and cut your pay even though you have acontract.

stevew · 06-02-2006, 02:23 PM

Getting to see extra patients on the side would be pretty sweet for what I'm sure could be a mini financial boom for you.

This guy's got a lot of issues, he'll be here long enough to pay for an inground pool.

This person is really okay, but they insist on coming back despite my suggestions, I guess she'll pay for the PS3.

etc etc.

st.cronin · 06-02-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by finketr

you should have pulled a TO and held out for more money...

however, it'd be interesting if they said "you signed a contract for $X so no raise" and then turn around and cut your pay even though you have acontract.

Actually, they probably would have just changed his position to punter, and cut him.

Franklinnoble · 06-02-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

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No signing bonus. No other special financial consideration. It was a standard contract with a specification of a yearly salary for 40 hours/week of work with no call. The new job I took on after Katrina included Attending Call 6 days/week supervising residents. I asked for a raise since I was doing more work. I never got a raise.

Yeah, then your boss is just being an ass. And I still think you should talk to a lawyer if they slash your pay, just on principle.

BrianD · 06-02-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think everybody on the board knew this thread was coming. You can only keep a good man down for so long.

I know I was secretly hoping to see this thread. This will be a well-deserved move and hopefully it will lead to much happiness.

gkb · 06-02-2006, 03:01 PM

Congrats on the new job and good luck. I haven't kept up with everything that's happened to you in your current position, but based on other's posts in this thread it seems to me like you're doing the best thing for you and your family.

oliegirl · 06-02-2006, 03:08 PM

Congrats on the new job, it sounds like it's a great move for you and your family. I'm sure the guilts will pass and you'll give your boss the finger as you pull out of the parking lot for the last time

Fonzie · 06-02-2006, 03:34 PM

Congratulations EF! And I'd echo the sentiments of the others here - in no way should you allow your old boss to make you feel guilty. That he's attempting to do so reflects very poorly on him and speaks to his unprofessionalism.

Best wishes in your new job!

Lorena · 06-02-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

he did a heck of a job laying a guilt trip on me.

What a relief it must be to not work for him anymore... what an ass.

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However, I've asked for a raise several times and have been told no. I've been told that there was a chance my salary would be cut down. I've taken on growing number of responsibilities and titles in the last year, but no compensation has come with them.

Anytime a company adds more responisiblity with no extra pay, it lowers morale. The job I had in Phoenix was just like that: 4 people left in a span of 6 months and were never replaced; those responsibilities were given to the rest of the department (about 10 employees)... no one was happy and because of that, production was down.

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I shouldn't feel guilty because I'm doing what is best for my family while still serving an important function to a community of underprivlidged people.

It's always tough to leave a place when you've invested so much of yourself... feeling guilty is completely natural. Hell, I've given numerous notices and it's never easy. As it gets closer to your last day, the guilt will wear off.

Good for you!! I'll be looking for your *today is my last day* thread to find out how it went

Best of luck EF27!!

Eaglesfan27 · 06-02-2006, 05:51 PM

My boss just came into my office at the end of the work day (I'm just about to leave.) He told me what a terrible mistake I'm making. He told me that they are only using grant money to hire me and that it will dry up in 18 months. It is true that I'm being hired with grant money, but they have assured me that they want me for the long term, and they will reallocate funds when the grant money dries up to keep me. He told me that I'm going to be screwed when the grant money runs out next year and I have no where to work. He told me that I could still rescind my resignation and stay.

All of the guilt I was feeling was just lifted from my shoulders. I can't wait to start the new job in July.

DaddyTorgo · 06-02-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

My boss just came into my office at the end of the work day (I'm just about to leave.) He told me what a terrible mistake I'm making. He told me that they are only using grant money to hire me and that it will dry up in 18 months. It is true that I'm being hired with grant money, but they have assured me that they want me for the long term, and they will reallocate funds when the grant money dries up to keep me. He told me that I'm going to be screwed when the grant money runs out next year and I have no where to work. He told me that I could still rescind my resignation and stay.

All of the guilt I was feeling was just lifted from my shoulders. I can't wait to start the new job in July.

tell your old boss to blow it out his ass. obviously. hell i wouldn't stay there now even if they paid me more (if i was you)

digamma · 06-02-2006, 06:05 PM

Congrats and best of luck on the new gig.

Will you have the opportunity/ability to take a week or so in between gigs?

MizzouRah · 06-02-2006, 06:12 PM

Missed this thread. Congratulations and good luck on your new job!!

I wish nothing but great things for you in the future EF.

Franklinnoble · 06-02-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

tell your old boss to blow it out his ass. obviously. hell i wouldn't stay there now even if they paid me more (if i was you)

Ditto. What a jackass.

Logan · 06-02-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

My boss just came into my office at the end of the work day (I'm just about to leave.) He told me what a terrible mistake I'm making. He told me that they are only using grant money to hire me and that it will dry up in 18 months. It is true that I'm being hired with grant money, but they have assured me that they want me for the long term, and they will reallocate funds when the grant money dries up to keep me. He told me that I'm going to be screwed when the grant money runs out next year and I have no where to work. He told me that I could still rescind my resignation and stay.

All of the guilt I was feeling was just lifted from my shoulders. I can't wait to start the new job in July.

I haven't followed your situation like many others on this board have, and you are clearly concerned about what would happen if your pay got cut in half...but if it was in any way financially plausible, I would tell him to fuck off and never go back. Enjoy a month long unpaid vacation. It'll be like you're a kid again.

Congrats on the new job. It's clear you're in a much better spot.

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Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Good luck, EF27. I know the last year has been a roller coaster. Hope things work out for you. __________________ My listening habits

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AZSpeechCoach College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Phoenix	EF27, given everything that you have been saying for the past 9 months about how these people have been treating you, it is clear that they do not really value and respect you. Money is only one small part of it. You need this change and you deserve to work in an environment where you can be appreciated. __________________ The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them! Visit Stewart the Wonderbear and his amazing travels http://wonderbeartravel.blogspot.com

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Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	I hope you get the guilt in check - it sounds like they've taken much more advantage of you than vise versa. ironically, my father-in-law just retired Wednesday from his psychiatric job to go work at a private practice. __________________ Mile High Hockey

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KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	Personally I would talk to the new job and see how early you can start. Then I'd tell the old boss to eat it and shorten my notice. But I can be a bit of a dick about these things. __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You shouldn't feel guilty at alland shame on your boss for trying to make you feel that way. You should be happy you are making the change because this obviously isn't the kind of person you want to be working for.

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CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	It's always tough to leave a job when you have empathy for the people that will be affected. That being said, you still have to do what's best for you and your family. Where will you be moving to (I apparently missed any earlier threads dealing with you leaving)? __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

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Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	I think you owe your employers nothing but the time they pay for, unless you signed a contract acknowledging that you would owe them X years of service due to the extremely high value of their mentorship. Any mentorship he provided probably did make you a better psychiatrist. But, here's a secret, he did that for his benefit, the fact that it benefitted you as well was an unfortunate, unintended consequence. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

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Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Take the new job, your familly is always the first thing. Also for what you have been writing, they didn't respect you enought in the past. If i remember correctly, they even kicked you out of your own office room because they had other areas more important than your psychiatry. __________________

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Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Greed is good.

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finketr College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inland Empire, PRC	Did your pay structure get bumped down since you've turned in your resignation?

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Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The fact that he tried to make you feel guilty about leaving should be enough to tell you that you are making the right move. I think anything beyond a "We're sorry to see you go.." or "We will certainly miss having you here..." is pretty unprofessional. If he is making your decision to move your family into a better situation as a personal betrayal, then that should show you that he is far more concerned with himself, and his situation, than you and yours. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

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Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I'll start working at a public mental health clinic in Baton Rouge at the beginning of July, Cam. I've known I was going to move for a few months, but couldn't give notice because past employees who have done so have had their salary cut in half by the university. Therefore, I purposefully waited until after my May (we get monthly checks) check cleared. My new job is about 15 miles from my new home, and the new job has made it abundantly clear that I was valued and respected. They have been recruiting me for over a year and were willing to sign me a to a contract in March but wait for me to start in July. I did this because I wanted to be honorable and serve out my contract which was signed last year and lasted until the end of June 06. I didn't want to leave mid contract like many of the university's doctors did. As far as my salary getting cut, I haven't been told that would be the case yet, but given the fact that EVERY other employee who has given notice has had their salary cut in half, I will be shocked if it isn't cut when I get my June paycheck. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen. Last edited by Eaglesfan27 : 06-02-2006 at 12:11 PM.

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albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	You have to do what it right for your family and your career going forward. And, like you said, you are not giving up public sector work just to go make as much money as possible. You are still contributing to the community. Good luck with the new job.

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JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	You have to do what is good for you, not him. Is he going to help pay your bills if you stay there and they cut your salary? I'm thinking he won't. I say, good move on your part and hope you the best of success. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

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BrianD Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I can understand the boss being disappointed, but don't let it get you down. He should do what is best for the business and you should do what is best for you and your family. If he was doing what is best for the business, he would have done what was necessary to keep you. Since he didn't do that, you have to look out for yourself.

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MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	Congrats on the new job EF27, this sounds like a great thing all around. The guilt tripping and frustration is usually the first response when someone you see as valuable is unexpectedly leaving, I've been guilty of it myself before. It will blow over.

06-02-2006, 01:22 PM	#25
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Yup, congrats on the new job, and don't spend a whole lot of time looking back. Clearly your "mentor" recognized you as a bargain (good employee, paid on the cheap) and doesn't want to lose that. That's understandable. Jobs inevitably boil down to what you are willing to take for the work you perform, and vice-versa from the employer's perspective. It sounds like the employer, in this case, came out way ahead on you as an employee. But the bottom line is that you do not need anyone - least of all him - to somehow sanctify your work ethic. You are obviously a very conscientious, quality person, and that stands on its own merits. Carry on. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

06-02-2006, 01:29 PM	#27
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Thanks guys. Your words are making me feel better. As far as the whole legality of the pay cutting issue, it would take years to fight the state, and even if someone won, the state can cry poor and not pay. Yes, it will be a significant hit financially this month if they cut my pay in half, but attorneys fees and the lengthy process are going to preclude my fighting it as I imagine has been the case for former employees to leave this year. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

06-02-2006, 01:30 PM	#28
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	You should have just said "Due to past injustices, I am unwilling to stay with your team."

06-02-2006, 01:58 PM	#31
judicial clerk College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland, OR	Hey Eaglesfan27, don't lose too much sleep over this. The first time you sell-out is always the toughest. Pretty soon you will find selling out (along with back-stabbing, under cutting, and corporate shilling) is as easy as sliding into a warm bath. Welcome to the good life my white, suburban, McMansion brother. Just kidding. Crongratulations on your move. It is never fun to work at an unstable job (ask ksyrup). A boss who will lay a guilt trip on you when you are making what is obviously the right decision is also the kind of boss who will leave you hanging when the next budget cut comes. Also, in a profession like yours, you are going to be helping people in need wherever you choose to work. or maybe Im not kidding and I wish you would stop pushing your vodoo medicine on our society and do something productive with your life like making movies or working in a scientology re-education camp or something I... I've said too much.

06-02-2006, 02:01 PM	#32
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think everybody on the board knew this thread was coming. You can only keep a good man down for so long. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

06-02-2006, 02:04 PM	#33
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	You've made the right decision. Good luck!

06-02-2006, 02:16 PM	#34
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	I'm just wondering about your boss' reaction and the whole loyalty-guilt-trip deal. When you signed on a year ago (or whenever), were you given a signing bonus, or any other special financial consideration (payoff of school loans, whatever)? If that's the case, then I'd say his feelings are a little more understandable. Otherwise, he's just being a jerk.

06-02-2006, 02:19 PM	#36
finketr College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inland Empire, PRC	you should have pulled a TO and held out for more money... however, it'd be interesting if they said "you signed a contract for $X so no raise" and then turn around and cut your pay even though you have acontract.

06-02-2006, 02:23 PM	#37
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Getting to see extra patients on the side would be pretty sweet for what I'm sure could be a mini financial boom for you. This guy's got a lot of issues, he'll be here long enough to pay for an inground pool. This person is really okay, but they insist on coming back despite my suggestions, I guess she'll pay for the PS3. etc etc.

06-02-2006, 03:01 PM	#41
gkb High School Varsity Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado	Congrats on the new job and good luck. I haven't kept up with everything that's happened to you in your current position, but based on other's posts in this thread it seems to me like you're doing the best thing for you and your family. __________________ BALLERZ YO, fo shizzle. - QuikSand

06-02-2006, 03:34 PM	#43
Fonzie Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Illinois	Congratulations EF! And I'd echo the sentiments of the others here - in no way should you allow your old boss to make you feel guilty. That he's attempting to do so reflects very poorly on him and speaks to his unprofessionalism. Best wishes in your new job!

06-02-2006, 05:51 PM	#45
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	My boss just came into my office at the end of the work day (I'm just about to leave.) He told me what a terrible mistake I'm making. He told me that they are only using grant money to hire me and that it will dry up in 18 months. It is true that I'm being hired with grant money, but they have assured me that they want me for the long term, and they will reallocate funds when the grant money dries up to keep me. He told me that I'm going to be screwed when the grant money runs out next year and I have no where to work. He told me that I could still rescind my resignation and stay. All of the guilt I was feeling was just lifted from my shoulders. I can't wait to start the new job in July. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

06-02-2006, 06:05 PM	#47
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	Congrats and best of luck on the new gig. Will you have the opportunity/ability to take a week or so in between gigs?

06-02-2006, 06:12 PM	#48
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Missed this thread. Congratulations and good luck on your new job!! I wish nothing but great things for you in the future EF.

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