RIP, not, Ken Lay

vtbub · 07-05-2006, 09:23 AM

Reuters is reporting the convicted CEO if Enron died this morning of a heart attack in Aspen.

vtbub · 07-05-2006, 09:28 AM

HOUSTON -- Enron Corp. founder Ken Lay, who was convicted last month of fraud and conspiracy for his part in the Houston-based company's collapse into bankruptcy in 2001, has died of a heart attack at his vacation home in Colorado, a Houston television station reported on Wednesday.
KHOU-TV, a CBS affiliate, said Lay suffered a massive heart attack. He was awaiting sentencing later this year and was expected to face a lengthy prison term for his convictions in the Enron collapse.

Bee · 07-05-2006, 09:33 AM

some people will do anything to get out of serving time...

ISiddiqui · 07-05-2006, 09:38 AM

The seconds count down until Bush is blamed for this

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panerd · 07-05-2006, 09:42 AM

You know how cynical I have become when my list of possible explanations goes...

A) Fake heart attack, moving out of the country to aviod prison
B) Suicide
C) Killed off by government or other Enron execs to keep him quiet
D) Actual heart attack

sachmo71 · 07-05-2006, 09:43 AM

Earl would be proud.

stevew · 07-05-2006, 09:53 AM

It would have been nicer to at least seem him do a few months in federal pound me in the ass prision before he succumbed(if he was going to die). He didn't really get punished for his crimes. Though I'm sure (depending on what you believe) god will take care of it.

WSUCougar · 07-05-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

He didn't really get punished for his crimes. Though I'm sure (depending on what you believe) god will take care of it.

You mean other than, you know, DYING?

Subby · 07-05-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

You mean other than, you know, DYING?

I laughed out loud at this.

I wish there was an abbreviation for that, because I do it a lot.

stevew · 07-05-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

You mean other than, you know, DYING?

In an Aspen Ski resort.

He was still living the life. We all die, he had a pretty comfortable life even after all the crap he did.

Galaxy · 07-05-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

In an Aspen Ski resort.

He was still living the life. We all die, he had a pretty comfortable life even after all the crap he did.

Actually, his VACATION home (how the hell is still allowed to roam after being convicted to roam? And how does he still has this home is beyond me, should be sold and the profits be given to Enron) in Aspen (which is a very, very wealthy playground).

Greyroofoo · 07-05-2006, 03:49 PM

Wow!!!!

Ken Lay had a heart!!!!!!!!!!

Cringer · 07-05-2006, 03:56 PM

So, any chance we could get the body put in a cell anyways? Buried in a prison courtyard for the term of his sentence?

One of those two would work for me.

Fidatelo · 07-05-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cringer

So, any chance we could get the body put in a cell anyways? Buried in a prison courtyard for the term of his sentence?

One of those two would work for me.

I think every employee and shareholder that was profoundly impacted by the Enron scandal should be given a baseball bat. The body should then be placed in an open field, and each bat-wielding victim gets 30 seconds to make like Peter from Office Space on the copy-machine-formerly-known-as-Ken-Lay.

MikeVic · 07-05-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

I laughed out loud at this.

I wish there was an abbreviation for that, because I do it a lot.

YMOTYKD

Subby · 07-05-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

I think every employee and shareholder that was profoundly impacted by the Enron scandal should be given a baseball bat. The body should then be placed in an open field, and each bat-wielding victim gets 30 seconds to make like Peter from Office Space on the copy-machine-formerly-known-as-Ken-Lay.

Yeah, that will get them their money back.

Toddzilla · 07-05-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

You know how cynical I have become when my list of possible explanations goes...

A) Fake heart attack, moving out of the country to aviod prison
B) Suicide
C) Killed off by government or other Enron execs to keep him quiet
D) Actual heart attack

You know, I had the exact same reaction, except I'd have thought (A) was a self-induced heart-attack, but agreeing on all 4 in principle, in that order.

Bottom line......feh.

WSUCougar · 07-05-2006, 04:28 PM

How about: (E) Satan came to claim the soul he traded

Glengoyne · 07-05-2006, 04:33 PM

While I believe he was an asshat in life, I'm not at all compelled to dance on his grave now that he's dead.

Cringer · 07-05-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

While I believe he was an asshat in life, I'm not at all compelled to dance on his grave now that he's dead.

Off to the side a little, perhaps?

Riggins44 · 07-05-2006, 05:20 PM

I would have liked to have seen atleast one headline that read: Ken Lay Dead. It's the little things that I find humorous.

Glengoyne · 07-05-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggins44

I would have liked to have seen atleast one headline that read: Ken Lay Dead. It's the little things that I find humorous.

nice.

terpkristin · 07-05-2006, 05:33 PM

I'm waiting for one to say that God gave Lay the death penalty or something like that.

That would really make my day.

/tk

Joe · 07-05-2006, 05:41 PM

I like how people disrespect the dead. Classy.

Toddzilla · 07-05-2006, 05:59 PM

I heard today on Marketplace that his death apparently nullifies all of the active criminal and civil actions against him, essentailly wiping his record completely clean.

That's right - Ken Lay now has a spotless criminal record and can never be convicted posthumously of a crime. This will impact how any future civil actions against his estate are tried - since legally he was never convicted of any crime related to Enron.

Now how suspicious does that heart attack look?

(F) Killed by his offspring/benefactors to protect thier inheritance.

ice4277 · 07-05-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I like how people disrespect the dead. Classy.

What did Ken Lay say to Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi?

Nothing. They're both dead! HAR!

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Is it too soon?

Greyroofoo · 07-05-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

I like how people disrespect the dead. Classy.

you mean you've never said anything bad about Hitler?

Joe · 07-05-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

you mean you've never said anything bad about Hitler?

No, I respect what he was able to accomplish though I do not agree with his methods.

Grammaticus · 07-05-2006, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I heard today on Marketplace that his death apparently nullifies all of the active criminal and civil actions against him, essentailly wiping his record completely clean.

That's right - Ken Lay now has a spotless criminal record and can never be convicted posthumously of a crime. This will impact how any future civil actions against his estate are tried - since legally he was never convicted of any crime related to Enron.

Now how suspicious does that heart attack look?

(F) Killed by his offspring/benefactors to protect thier inheritance.

I would say, judging by the posts in this thread, public sentiment is not a factor that will benefit the Ken Lay estate. Looks like a jury will not have a problem supporting civil action against the estate regardless of a criminal conviction.

vtbub · 07-05-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WSUCougar

How about: (E) Satan came to claim the soul he traded

My wife said the same thing.

stevew · 07-05-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

(F) Killed by his offspring/benefactors to protect thier inheritance.

Yeah, an "accidental" overdose of adrenalin or something. They need to zero out his accounts.

WSUCougar · 07-05-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by George W Bush

No, I respect what he was able to accomplish though I do not agree with his methods.

OH MY GOD, YOU'RE MARGE SCHOTT!!!

stevew · 07-05-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

you mean you've never said anything bad about Hitler?

He Godwin'd the thread. I believe it is now over.

Galaxy · 07-05-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I heard today on Marketplace that his death apparently nullifies all of the active criminal and civil actions against him, essentailly wiping his record completely clean.

That's right - Ken Lay now has a spotless criminal record and can never be convicted posthumously of a crime. This will impact how any future civil actions against his estate are tried - since legally he was never convicted of any crime related to Enron.

Now how suspicious does that heart attack look?

(F) Killed by his offspring/benefactors to protect thier inheritance.

But he was convicted, wasn't he?

stevew · 07-05-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

But he was convicted, wasn't he?

I think I saw the same thing as Toddzilla. His verdict hasn't been entered into the record yet. Also he was not given the chance to appeal his conviction due to death. Some sort of thing that traces back to english common law.

flere-imsaho · 07-05-2006, 09:41 PM

I'm torn. On one hand, it's pretty morbid news, and pretty tasteless to celebrate or make jokes about his death.

On the other hand, I think of the hundreds, if not thousands, if not tens of thousands or more, of people whose savings, livelihoods, or even lives were put at risk and then tossed aside due to the greedy, self-serving, illegal and selfish actions of this man and others.

Fidatelo · 07-05-2006, 10:44 PM

Why are the dead placed on some pedastal? If I can mock someone while they live, why can't I mock their corpse just as much? I don't understand why dying should all the sudden make someone untouchable.

ISiddiqui · 07-05-2006, 11:57 PM

Do we have to double Godwin the thread?

sterlingice · 07-07-2006, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fidatelo

Why are the dead placed on some pedastal? If I can mock someone while they live, why can't I mock their corpse just as much? I don't understand why dying should all the sudden make someone untouchable.

Sorry to do a little thread necromancy on an old thread, but this does beg an interesting question. I guess it's because they can't defend themself- kindof like not talking behind someone's back.

SI

JeeberD · 07-07-2006, 11:29 PM

Ken Lay was gonna defend himself in this thread if he were alive?

Desmond · 07-07-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Ken Lay was gonna defend himself in this thread if he were alive?

Roffles

stevew · 07-07-2006, 11:44 PM

If this was an Omerta RIP, there would be a lot of bouncing smilies right now.

Karlifornia · 07-08-2006, 06:34 PM

While I may not agree with his methods, I really respect what Ken Lay was able to accomplish.

Bonegavel · 07-09-2006, 01:50 AM

With all the money Lay had he was planning this his entire trial. I'm sure he was happy it dragged on so he had more time to plan his "death."

They can make a movie out of it called, "Sleeping with the enema."

07-05-2006, 09:28 AM	#2
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	HOUSTON -- Enron Corp. founder Ken Lay, who was convicted last month of fraud and conspiracy for his part in the Houston-based company's collapse into bankruptcy in 2001, has died of a heart attack at his vacation home in Colorado, a Houston television station reported on Wednesday. KHOU-TV, a CBS affiliate, said Lay suffered a massive heart attack. He was awaiting sentencing later this year and was expected to face a lengthy prison term for his convictions in the Enron collapse. __________________

07-05-2006, 09:38 AM	#4
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	The seconds count down until Bush is blamed for this . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-05-2006, 09:53 AM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	It would have been nicer to at least seem him do a few months in federal pound me in the ass prision before he succumbed(if he was going to die). He didn't really get punished for his crimes. Though I'm sure (depending on what you believe) god will take care of it. Last edited by stevew : 07-05-2006 at 09:53 AM.

07-05-2006, 03:56 PM	#13
Cringer Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edinburg,TX	So, any chance we could get the body put in a cell anyways? Buried in a prison courtyard for the term of his sentence? One of those two would work for me. __________________ You Stole Fizzy Lifting drinks! You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed and steralized, so you get NOTHING! You lose!

07-05-2006, 04:28 PM	#18
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	How about: (E) Satan came to claim the soul he traded __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

07-05-2006, 09:33 AM	#3
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	some people will do anything to get out of serving time...

07-05-2006, 09:42 AM	#5
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	You know how cynical I have become when my list of possible explanations goes... A) Fake heart attack, moving out of the country to aviod prison B) Suicide C) Killed off by government or other Enron execs to keep him quiet D) Actual heart attack

07-05-2006, 09:43 AM	#6
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Earl would be proud.

07-05-2006, 03:49 PM	#12
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Wow!!!! Ken Lay had a heart!!!!!!!!!!

07-05-2006, 04:33 PM	#19
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	While I believe he was an asshat in life, I'm not at all compelled to dance on his grave now that he's dead.

07-05-2006, 05:20 PM	#21
Riggins44 High School JV Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Ontario, CA. USA	I would have liked to have seen atleast one headline that read: Ken Lay Dead. It's the little things that I find humorous.

07-05-2006, 05:33 PM	#23
terpkristin Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ashburn, VA	I'm waiting for one to say that God gave Lay the death penalty or something like that. That would really make my day. /tk __________________ GO TERPS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/terpkristin https://twitter.com/terpkristin

07-05-2006, 05:41 PM	#24
Joe Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Minneapolis	I like how people disrespect the dead. Classy.

07-05-2006, 05:59 PM	#25
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I heard today on Marketplace that his death apparently nullifies all of the active criminal and civil actions against him, essentailly wiping his record completely clean. That's right - Ken Lay now has a spotless criminal record and can never be convicted posthumously of a crime. This will impact how any future civil actions against his estate are tried - since legally he was never convicted of any crime related to Enron. Now how suspicious does that heart attack look? (F) Killed by his offspring/benefactors to protect thier inheritance.

07-05-2006, 09:41 PM	#36
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I'm torn. On one hand, it's pretty morbid news, and pretty tasteless to celebrate or make jokes about his death. On the other hand, I think of the hundreds, if not thousands, if not tens of thousands or more, of people whose savings, livelihoods, or even lives were put at risk and then tossed aside due to the greedy, self-serving, illegal and selfish actions of this man and others.

07-05-2006, 10:44 PM	#37
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	Why are the dead placed on some pedastal? If I can mock someone while they live, why can't I mock their corpse just as much? I don't understand why dying should all the sudden make someone untouchable. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

07-05-2006, 11:57 PM	#38
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Do we have to double Godwin the thread? __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-07-2006, 11:29 PM	#40
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Ken Lay was gonna defend himself in this thread if he were alive? __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

07-07-2006, 11:44 PM	#42
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	If this was an Omerta RIP, there would be a lot of bouncing smilies right now.

07-08-2006, 06:34 PM	#43
Karlifornia Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: San Jose, CA	While I may not agree with his methods, I really respect what Ken Lay was able to accomplish. __________________ Look into the mind of a crazy man (NSFW) http://www.whitepowerupdate.wordpress.com

07-09-2006, 01:50 AM	#44
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	With all the money Lay had he was planning this his entire trial. I'm sure he was happy it dragged on so he had more time to plan his "death." They can make a movie out of it called, "Sleeping with the enema."

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