Who's the backup QB in KC?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Chiefs left tackle Willie Roaf retires

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2532615

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Eleven-time Pro Bowl performer Willie Roaf, one of the NFL's premier left tackles during his 13-year career, has apprised Kansas City Chiefs officials that he is retiring.

Roaf did not go to training camp with the rest of the Chiefs players, and Kansas City officials said his absence was for personal reasons, but that they expected him to report within a few days. But a team source said Friday afternoon that Roaf, who has flirted with retirement each of the last two offseasons, told Chiefs officials that he is ending his celebrated career.

"I guess they want me to reconsider," Roaf told the Kansas City Star. "[But] I'm solid on retiring and going back to school."

Team officials have been able in the past to dissuade Roaf from walking away from the game, but their efforts apparently were not persuasive enough this time.

Earlier this offseason, amid what have become near-annual reports of his pending retirement, Roaf insisted that he would play another season. But the 36-year-old Roaf has suffered through hamstring and knee problems the past few seasons, and that likely contributed to his decision.

Roaf missed six games in 2005 with a strained hamstring.

The departure of Roaf leaves the Chiefs without a proven left tackle and, with camps opening around the league, there are no quality replacements in the free agent pool. Third-year veteran Jordan Black, who played left tackle in Roaf's absence last season, will likely get the first shot at the starting job. Kansas City signed former New Orleans and St. Louis lineman Kyle Turley, who hasn't played in two seasons because of back problems, and he is expected to win the starting right tackle job.

A first-round draft pick of the Saints in 1993, Roaf was traded to Kansas City in 2002. He has played in 189 games, all starts, and went to the Pro Bowl in all but two seasons.

The former Louisiana Tech standout was one of the most dominant left tackles of his era, combining strength, quickness and technique to carve out a celebrated career.

[WSUCougar]

Steve Fuller?

[stevew]

It seems to be a dickhead thing to do to wait that long to retire, and not allow your team to acquire a LT when there were actually ones available in FA/the draft.

[cthomer5000]

Originally Posted by stevew

It seems to be a dickhead thing to do to wait that long to retire, and not allow your team to acquire a LT when there were actually ones available in FA/the draft.

didn't they acquire Kyle Turley not too long ago?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by cthomer5000

didn't they acquire Kyle Turley not too long ago?

Yeah, maybe he hasn't looked bad...i dunno. he was more of a RT guy when he was healthy before i thought.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by stevew

It seems to be a dickhead thing to do to wait that long to retire, and not allow your team to acquire a LT when there were actually ones available in FA/the draft.

Reportedly, he has been telling the Chiefs for 2 years that he wanted to retire and go back to school. Each time the Chiefs have been able to convince him that he should continue to play. It has even been reported that the Chiefs think he still may come back during the season. If these reports are to be believed, they have had plenty of advance warning that he was leaving.

[miami_fan]

Of course this could also be a plan to skip training camp all together and come back just in time to start the first game of the season.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I say trade him for Pat Swilling.

(Then you can play Swilling in coverage and not have him rush the passer!)

[stevew]

Judging by your attitude alone, I'd say you were a 6'3", 250-pound linebacker out of Georgia Tech. Seriously, if I didn't know better, I'd think the Saints took you in the third round of the 1986 draft because they knew you'd improve their pass rush on the outside and complement little big man Sam Mills. Not so fast, touchdown. I do know better.

[Eaglesfan27]

Hold it, I thought Turley converted to a much lighter TE because of his bad back? Has he suddenly put all of that weight back on now?

[stevew]

Yeah, he was supposedly eating enough cheeseburgers to get into that 280 range. I think he just ran out of money or something to that effect.

[st.cronin]

I'll be honest, I had to think for a second before I could remember who the Chiefs STARTING qb was.

[Hurst2112]

Originally Posted by stevew

It seems to be a dickhead thing to do to wait that long to retire, and not allow your team to acquire a LT when there were actually ones available in FA/the draft.

Even with FOF, you know before the draft and FA period (though I would much prefer a chance to know a year before).

[stevew]

Joe Montana is probably who I still think of when i hear "Chiefs QB." Even if he only played there 2 seasons.

[stevew]

dola.
I suppose it is the Chiefs fault for only going after one OLineman in the draft when they had a pretty old line. Supposedly their backups are decent, who knows.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by stevew

Joe Montana is probably who I still think of when i hear "Chiefs QB." Even if he only played there 2 seasons.

For me it's Deberg. Or Bill Kinney.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

For me it's Deberg. Or Bill Kinney.

For me its Elvis Grboc

[kcchief19]

Turley is penciled in at right tackle. Jordan Black has been working with the first team at left tackle during the off season since Roaf hasn't been with the team. Roaf considered retirement after last season, but told the team in the spring he was coming back. He apparently told them a month or so ago he was going to retire, but the Chiefs are all acting like this is just a ploy to sit out training camp. Peterson has made it clear he can come back anytime he wants.

Black got beat a lot last year filling in for Roaf and the offense struggled. It remains to be seen if he can come close to filling Roaf's shoes.

[RendeR]

As a Bengals fan and a big fan of a shift to the 3-4 defense, I'm liking these reports out of KC, the more the line falls apart the easier it will be to walk out of their 1-0 on the season.

[kcchief19]

Dream on. Aside from Chad Johnson, I think every single critical member of the Bengals will be injured (Palmer) or in prison (rest of team).

[yabanci]

Meet Casey Printers -- the athlete, the man and the servant.

[IMetTrentGreen]

I'll be honest, I had to think for a second before I could remember who the Chiefs STARTING qb was.

i didn't.

also, jonathon scott would've been perfect for that scheme

[Poli]

Originally Posted by WSUCougar

Steve Fuller?

Eric Crouch?

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

For me its Elvis Grboc

Dave Krieg.

[kcchief19]

Are Bucc and I the only old farts who were alive when Lenny Dawson played? He's a freakin' Hall of Famer!

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by yabanci

Meet Casey Printers -- the athlete, the man and the servant.

It will be interesting to see what the Chiefs do with their backup QBs. The smart money right now is that the Chiefs don't want to go into a potential playoff season with someone who has never played in the NFL at No. 2 on the depth chart, therefore Damon Huard will be No. 2 and Printers and Coyle battling for No. 3.

Having seen Huard play, I can't imagine why anyone would think Huard could come in and salvage the season if Green went down. Right now, I'd kick Huard to the curb and put Printers No. 2 and Coyle No. 3. I don't think they can carry four quarterbacks, and I don't either Printers or Coyle would clear waivers to put them on the practice squad.

[st.cronin]

Croyle

[the_meanstrosity]

Everything that I've heard from camp says that Croyle is the best young QB on the Chiefs roster right now. Printers has struggled with the offense, but has a ton of athletic ability. I would not be surprised to see Croyle at #3. I don't know what the Chiefs will do with Printers at this time.

How can football fans not know who Trent Green is? Doesn't anybody play fantasy football or watch the pro bowl? The guy has only thrown for 4,000 yards in each of the last three seasons.

Willie Roaf missed a good portion of the schedule last season and Trent Green ran for his life. I suspect it will be much the same this year. I think you'll see the Chiefs passing offense dialed down and loads of Larry Johnson. If you're a fantasy football GM...pick Larry Johnson.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Are Bucc and I the only old farts who were alive when Lenny Dawson played? He's a freakin' Hall of Famer!

I was alive for the last three years of his career. Does that count?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by the_meanstrosity

How can football fans not know who Trent Green is? Doesn't anybody play fantasy football or watch the pro bowl? The guy has only thrown for 4,000 yards in each of the last three seasons.

Well, he does play in Kansas City.

[Joker]

2005 Regular Season

NFL · AFC · NFC

Player SortablesPassing YardsPassing TDsPasser RatingRushing YardsRushing TDsReceiving YardsReceiving TDsReceptionsField GoalsTouchdownsScoringSacksTacklesInterceptionsPuntingPunt ReturnsKick ReturnsFumbles Recovered

Passer Rating
Rank	Player	Team	Yds	Att	Cmp	TDs	Ints	Long	Rating
1	Peyton Manning	IND	3747	453	305	28	10	80	104.1
2	Carson Palmer	CIN	3836	509	345	32	12	70	101.1
3	Ben Roethlisberger	PIT	2385	268	168	17	9	85	98.6
4	Matt Hasselbeck	SEA	3459	449	294	24	9	56	98.2
5	Marc Bulger	STL	2297	287	192	14	9	57	94.4
6	Tom Brady	NE	4110	530	334	26	14	71	92.3
7	Jake Plummer	DEN	3366	456	277	18	7	72	90.2
8	Trent Green	KC	4014	507	317	17	10	60	90.1

[Izulde]

Trent Green is the most underrated QB in the NFL.

[IMetTrentGreen]

no he isn't, he just plays in the best offense with the best ol and the best running game

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Dream on. Aside from Chad Johnson, I think every single critical member of the Bengals will be injured (Palmer) or in prison (rest of team).

If Palmer plays, KC loses game 1

if he doesn't, it'll be a running game nightmare on both sides of teh ball. I hope to see our defense emerge and stuff larry Johnson, but I've been waiting for a great defense in Cincinnati since 1981.

[st.cronin]

Wow, I had no idea Marc Bulger was better than Tom Brady.

[the_meanstrosity]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well, he does play in Kansas City.

Daunte Culpepper played in Minnesota. Ever heard of him?

If you're any kind of NFL fan you should know who Trent Green is. It's not as if he hasn't been elected to the Pro Bowl or led one of the most productive offenses in the NFL the last three years. I'm not saying you need to know all his stats or his favorite color, but at least recognize the name.

Originally Posted by Izulde

Trent Green is the most underrated QB in the NFL.

Amen Izulde. He's been the QB of some of my best fantasy football teams.

[Joker]

NFL Passer Rating
Rank	Player	Team	Yds	Att	Cmp	TDs	Ints	Long	Rating
1	Peyton Manning	IND	2781	359	230	20	5	51	100.5
2	Tony Romo	DAL	1350	151	103	8	5	53	100.0
3	Philip Rivers	SD	2307	300	201	15	5	57	99.7
4	Carson Palmer	CIN	2593	322	203	18	7	74	97.7
5	Damon Huard	KC	1824	241	146	11	1	78	97.6
6	Donovan McNabb	PHI	2647	316	180	18	6	87	95.5
7	Drew Brees	NO	3114	383	254	17	10	86	95.1
8	Marc Bulger	STL	2657	364	231	13	3	67	93.9
9	David Carr	HOU	1896	285	198	9	6	53	89.5
10	Tom Brady	NE	2296	334	199	19	9	54	88.1
11	Mark Brunell	WAS	1789	260	162	8	4	74	86.5
12	J.P. Losman	BUF	1838	262	164	10	7	83	85.1
13	Rex Grossman	CHI	2214	312	177	18	11	62	83.5
14	Matt Hasselbeck	SEA	1249	176	103	10	7	72	82.8