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[Cap]

Why do you call it football when you hardly ever use your foot? And are English football clubs very popular in the United States of America?

If you took the top ten heavyweight contenders presently rated by Boxrec.com and matched them at random against the Ring Magazine's top ten from 1953 which era would end up with more winners?

Curious?

Get your hands on Title Bout Championship Boxing and find out.

Cap

[dervack]

No thanks.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Cap

Why do you call it football when you hardly ever use your foot? And are English football clubs very popular in the United States of America?

If you took the top ten heavyweight contenders presently rated by Boxrec.com and matched them at random against the Ring Magazine's top ten from 1953 which era would end up with more winners?

Curious?

Get your hands on Title Bout Championship Boxing and find out.

Cap

The present guys would whip the crap out of the 50's guys, because they are bigger.

Oh and I would not recommend Title Bout until they add a career mode. It is decent for one off fights, but gets old real fast. Too cumbersome to manually try to manage a career mode.

[cubboyroy1826]

Oh no here we go again. It is a bit cumbersome but really is worth it if you are a boxing fan. The career mode as in managing boxers is really not of interest to me but i can understand how some would like that. If they make a few tweaks to the scheduler to eliminate the use of a spreadsheet that will take care of it for me. I understand everyone has their preferences though.
What game would you recommedn then?

[Karim]

Is there a demo?

[Coffee Warlord]

Is it maximum?

[Critch]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The present guys would whip the crap out of the 50's guys, because they are bigger.

Plus the old guys would all be about 80 years old. Sounds like it would be no contest.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

Oh no here we go again. It is a bit cumbersome but really is worth it if you are a boxing fan. The career mode as in managing boxers is really not of interest to me but i can understand how some would like that. If they make a few tweaks to the scheduler to eliminate the use of a spreadsheet that will take care of it for me. I understand everyone has their preferences though.
What game would you recommedn then?

Honestly for boxing, there is not one. I obviously bought Title Bout, and can say it does a good job in creating a realistic feel for the fight. I just don’t feel like I got my monies worth. Basically I played it a bit when I first got it. But once I ran through a bunch of fights, the spreadsheet tracking and other options were just too cumbersome to do. I lost interest and moved on to other games.

A basic career universe would keep me involved. I passed on the upgrade, why pay more money for something that I still won’ play. I also won’t be getting any newer versions that don’t have a universe management tool. Because I can just go play the old one for that.

I guess the only other option is fight night on a console, but that really does not compare well to a text sim. Kind of apples to oranges.

[QuikSand]

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[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Critch

Plus the old guys would all be about 80 years old. Sounds like it would be no contest.

Besides, Rocky is dead so the fifties are a wash. But I think Jake LaMotta's wife is trying to get an updated spread in Playboy.

[Cringer]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

The present guys would whip the crap out of the 50's guys, because they are bigger.

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A guy who weighs 150 lbs. today is bigger then a guy who weighed 150 lbs. in the '50s?

[JonInMiddleGA]

If I were going to try a computer boxing game at this point, it would be the recently released PC conversion of DataBoxing.

[cubboyroy1826]

Got a link?

[sovereignstar]

Originally Posted by Cringer

A guy who weighs 150 lbs. today is bigger then a guy who weighed 150 lbs. in the '50s?

He's talking about heavyweights there.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cubboyroy1826

Got a link?

Sure, but in the interest of full disclosure (or whatever applies), I haven't played it myself and probably won't. It isn't a "run a universe" sim, it's design is more for historical replays/individual matchups, so it really isn't something that is grabbing me right now. That said, the original tabletop version is one of the most consistently praised dice & chart games I can think of, particularly in terms of the depth of research & the accuracy of the results it produced.
This tabletop-to-PC conversion is something that I know has been worked on very hard and involves (at least) one of the truly good guys in the tabletop world, which would make it my first option right now if I were in the market for a matchup boxing game.

Anyhoo ...

The game is available through Downey Games, at
http://www.downeygames.com/catalog/
It's available as either a download or on CD.

For those who might not be familiar with the game, here's a snippet from their pre-release announcement.

Data Boxing is software that allows you to match the all-time stars of the Ring against one another with the greatest accuracy achievable. You'll see unanimous decisions, split decisions, knockouts, TKOs and draws. There'll be an occasional disqualification or a technical draw caused by a head butt. Once in a while a fighter will be saved by the bell, get up and go on to win. Play long enough and you'll experience just about anything, such as both fighters falling down at the same time. But don't hold your breath for that last one, or you'll be the one counted out.

Data Boxing was developed as a board-and-dice game in the mid-1970s by Dr. Julian E. Compton, Professor of Humanities at Florida A&M University. Dr. Compton, an authority on the heavyweights, has reviewed the earlier computer versions and provided updated ratings for this edition, and has labored to keep the implementation true to his vision.

This computer implementation is by Donald J. Mankowski, Senior Engineer for a NASA contractor at the 45th Space Wing at Cape Canaveral. Take heart, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to enjoy the game. The first experimental edition, DB 1.0 was created in May 1996.

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by Cringer

A guy who weighs 150 lbs. today is bigger then a guy who weighed 150 lbs. in the '50s?

He said match up the top 10 heavyweight contenders from each era. Yes the weights are different now. A guy at the lower end of the heavyweight division in 1955 would be in a different class today. The classes have changed several time, I believe the last change was in 2004 making a heavyweight greater than 200 pounds.

For example, the heavyweight champion in 1955 was Rocky Marciano, weighing in at around 184 pounds. That would make him a cruiser weight today. I believe a 175 pounds and up would make you a heavyweight back in 1955.

edit, the current IBF champ is Wladimir Klitschko who weights 238 pounds. That would give him a 54 pound weight advantage over the Rock. Although Rocky is a superior fighter, he may get beat by size alone.

[Cap]

Bear in mind that many of the top ten heavyweights today are mediocre at best. Large blubberweights who throw five punches a round between clinches, and tire after four or five rounds. Here are the top ten from The Ring Magazine in 1953:
1. Nino Valdez
2. Ezzard Charles
3. Dan Bucceroni
4. Roland LaStarza
5. Earl Walls (aka The Hooded Terror)
6. Don Cockell
7. Clarence Henry
8. Tommy "Hurricane" Harrison
9. Bob Satterfield
10.Coley Wallace

Size alone does not a champion make. The only reason a cruiserweight is not raging war amongst heavyweights today is there are no cruisers with the speed and skill to compete. Yet, look what Roy Jones managed to do and James Toney is doing. If Toney dropped down to a proper fighting weight he'd be champion.

Cap

[Cap]

Originally Posted by Karim

Is there a demo?

Yes, there is. Go to the OOTP Developments website. Give it a whack. Despite what some have said, if the game appeals to you, you'll find yourself playing it for hours on end. It's now the only game I have time for.

Cap