FOFC PokerStars Colossal Squid Tourney #48 (8/13/06)

[cartman]

Fresh off of the Main Event at the WSOP, it is time for another FOFC Colossal Squid tourney. The last couple have been well attended, let's look to keep the momentum going!

Tourney #29750789
FOFC Colossal Squid #48
NLHE $10+$1
Sunday, August 13th, 9:00pm Eastern
Password: finaltable

[Marc Vaughan]

If you let me know when that is UK time I'm in ... and as a relative newbie poker player who's easy to push around you really want me there so my money adds to the pot

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

If you let me know when that is UK time I'm in ... and as a relative newbie poker player who's easy to push around you really want me there so my money adds to the pot

I think that's 2am on Monday in London. Also, with the current exchange rate, the entry fee for you is something like £2.

[Marc Vaughan]

Might have to miss it in that case - I'm a bad enough player without being half asleep as well .... oh well that £2 I've won by not losing it in the competition

[Maple Leafs]

Missed this the first time around... bump.

[Lathum]

I should be in

[GoldenEagle]

I could be in.

[Simms]

I'm in.

[Maple Leafs]

Late bump...

Doesn't look like as big a field as we've had in recent weeks, so if you're looking for your first FOFC bracelet this wouldn't be a bad time to try.

[Lathum]

I hope the fact that there has been scketchy board access doesn't hurt us

[Toddzilla]

I'm ready to donk it up FOFC style

[Toddzilla]

Dola - is this the bracelet?

[Lathum]

Cartman isn't even registered?

[Lathum]

at least we got one full table

[Lathum]

Lathum= berniebugman but keep it quiet

[Huckleberry]

dammit

I thought this thing was at 9 and I'm actually available this week.

[Lathum]

it is at 9 EST

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Lathum= berniebugman but keep it quiet

Is there somebody who actually follows you around that you are scared to be exposed to? If everyone on here knows you are Lathum what could possibly go wrong in a private tournament?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by panerd

Is there somebody who actually follows you around that you are scared to be exposed to? If everyone on here knows you are Lathum what could possibly go wrong in a private tournament?

I had a falling out with pokerstars and I don't know if they monitor their chat for keywords, etc...

[panerd]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I had a falling out with pokerstars and I don't know if they monitor their chat for keywords, etc...

Eh, makes sense. Not that it was any of my business anyways.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by panerd

Eh, makes sense. Not that it was any of my business anyways.

I detailed the story in another thread a few weeks ago, it was basicly a banking issue.

[kingnebwsu]

How did it go tonight guys? Sorry I wasn't there to defend my title, but I had a meeting at work tonight at 10 EST

[kcchief19]

Here's my tournament summary:

* Show up 10 minutes late due to a computer snafu, see that 16 percent of my stack has been blinded off

* Get three hands of trash, fold.

* Get AQ sin the SB, raise preflop, get reraised by Lathum. Flop brings me a straight draw. We both check. Turn completes my broadway straight and gives me four to the flush. Lathum bets 200 and I stupidly call. River pairs the board, Lathum bets, I raise all-in, he calls and shows me his weak ass kings full of threes rivered-boat.

His checking the better hand on the flop was a good move, but I should have bet my draw and bet it strongly there. If he moves on me then or even calls I know he's got a strong hand. My call on the turn was my second boneheaded move. If I move all-in there, I might be able to chase him off his set. But now, I figure I've got the nut straight and nut flush draw, so let's slow play it. I compound those two mistakes by failing to recognize a paired board means a boat possibility.

I'm such a tool.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

If I move all-in there, I might be able to chase him off his set.

Come on. Have you ever seen someone lay down a set on the turn in a low buy-in sit and go? Unless the board is something like As-Ks-Js-Ts, the money is going in.

Aside from the results, I agree you should have bet the flop and raised the turn. The flop you are betting a strong draw with possible overs. The turn you are betting the stronger hand for value.

[TroyF]

My tournament summary:

Get dealt low pocket pairs 3 straight times. Don't hit any of them and fold. Get A/J of hearts. Watch the board go club/club/club without an A or J. Get bet into and fold.

Get pocket K. Make a big reraise. Get called. Flop comes out all low cards. Push. Called. A/A.

Good night.

[primelord]

I bubbled for the 2nd straight tournament. I rule.

[Lathum]

:cheesy:

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Here's my tournament summary:

* Show up 10 minutes late due to a computer snafu, see that 16 percent of my stack has been blinded off

* Get three hands of trash, fold.

* Get AQ sin the SB, raise preflop, get reraised by Lathum. Flop brings me a straight draw. We both check. Turn completes my broadway straight and gives me four to the flush. Lathum bets 200 and I stupidly call. River pairs the board, Lathum bets, I raise all-in, he calls and shows me his weak ass kings full of threes rivered-boat.

His checking the better hand on the flop was a good move, but I should have bet my draw and bet it strongly there. If he moves on me then or even calls I know he's got a strong hand. My call on the turn was my second boneheaded move. If I move all-in there, I might be able to chase him off his set. But now, I figure I've got the nut straight and nut flush draw, so let's slow play it. I compound those two mistakes by failing to recognize a paired board means a boat possibility.

I'm such a tool.

It would have been tough to lay down that hand. I knew you made broadway on the turn when you just called and was praying for the board to pair but Subby is correct, I probably am putting all the chips in regardless.

[Lathum]

dola-
whatever happened to cartman?

[larrymcg421]

The only thing that could make me lay down a set in that situation is Comcast.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by Lathum

:cheesy:
It would have been tough to lay down that hand. I knew you made broadway on the turn when you just called and was praying for the board to pair but Subby is correct, I probably am putting all the chips in regardless.

But I would rather have had you make that decision than me.

I certainly think in retrospect I should have bet the flop to get some information out of you. If you come over the top all-in I probably walk away, since at that point I'm on nothing but a draw. But once the turn came, I was screwed. There was nothing you could have had that could beat me at the point. I should have put you all-in on the turn just so I could give you a chance to walk away -- not that you would have.

Does anybody fold preflop to Lathum's reraise? That to me is the only time I could have avoided losing most of my stack. I certainly could have checked preflop and kept things from getting a little out of hand, but my preflop raise was intended to chase some the limpers with the cheap drawing hands. The preflop raise should have screamed pocket pair, which makes my raise on the river a donkey play.

[sabotai]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

Does anybody fold preflop to Lathum's reraise?

What were your positions? Stack sizes? How much was the raise? I probably would not have folded, but since I was not there I'd need to know the situation before I said for sure.

[primelord]

Originally Posted by sabotai

What were your positions? Stack sizes? How much was the raise? I probably would not have folded, but since I was not there I'd need to know the situation before I said for sure.

POKERSTARS GAME #5908112705: TOURNAMENT #29750789, $10+$1 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL I (10/20) - 2006/08/13 - 21:13:59 (ET)
Table '29750789 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Simms34 (1700 in chips)
Seat 2: matt_fof (1160 in chips)
Seat 3: Wahoomac (1410 in chips)
Seat 4: berniebugman (1330 in chips)
Seat 5: Gewd_Card (1440 in chips)
Seat 6: TAF1972 (1360 in chips)
Seat 7: smcindoe (1190 in chips)
Seat 8: Toddzilla23 (2200 in chips)
Seat 9: panerd17 (1710 in chips)
Wahoomac: posts small blind 10
berniebugman: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gewd_Card [6h Th]
Gewd_Card: folds
TAF1972: folds
smcindoe: calls 20
Toddzilla23: calls 20
Toddzilla23 said, "and HAWT"
panerd17: folds
Simms34: folds
matt_fof: raises 60 to 80
Wahoomac: folds
berniebugman: raises 180 to 260
smcindoe: folds
Toddzilla23: folds
matt_fof: calls 180
*** FLOP *** [Jh Kc 3s]
berniebugman: checks
matt_fof: checks
*** TURN *** [Jh Kc 3s] [Ts]
berniebugman: bets 200
matt_fof: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [Jh Kc 3s Ts] [3d]
berniebugman: bets 360
matt_fof: raises 340 to 700 and is all-in
berniebugman: calls 340
*** SHOW DOWN ***
matt_fof: shows [As Qs] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
berniebugman: shows [Kh Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)
berniebugman collected 2370 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2370 | Rake 0
Board [Jh Kc 3s Ts 3d]
Seat 1: Simms34 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: matt_fof (button) showed [As Qs] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 3: Wahoomac (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: berniebugman (big blind) showed [Kh Ks] and won (2370) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
Seat 5: Gewd_Card folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TAF1972 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: smcindoe folded before Flop
Seat 8: Toddzilla23 folded before Flop
Seat 9: panerd17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[primelord]

And to answer your question Matt. Getting 2.2:1 on your money with position and AQs there is absolutely no way I am folding to the re-raise.

[kcchief19]

Originally Posted by primelord

And to answer your question Matt. Getting 2.2:1 on your money with position and AQs there is absolutely no way I am folding to the re-raise.

That was exactly why I called the re-raise. I made two donkey moves in the hand, but those donkey move aside I still see no way I could have avoided getting crippled. Even if I bet the flop, the only way I fold is if Lathum comes in over the top all in. If I bet the flop and he calls, I'm committed on the turn. Frankly, I think should have gone all-in on the turn and put the pressure on him.

Even had I played the hand differently, I think there is no way I can walk away at any point. Reraising all-in on the river was stupid -- I was simply playing too fast. I moved all-in before I fully comprehended what the 3 meant. I was in an all-in regardless mode and played too quickly. If I had paused and thought about it more carefully like I normally do, I'd like to think I'd lay it down and try to recover. But I was almost pot committted no matter what, even if I thought I was beat.

So how won anyway?

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by kcchief19

That was exactly why I called the re-raise. I made two donkey moves in the hand, but those donkey move aside I still see no way I could have avoided getting crippled. Even if I bet the flop, the only way I fold is if Lathum comes in over the top all in. If I bet the flop and he calls, I'm committed on the turn. Frankly, I think should have gone all-in on the turn and put the pressure on him.

Even had I played the hand differently, I think there is no way I can walk away at any point. Reraising all-in on the river was stupid -- I was simply playing too fast. I moved all-in before I fully comprehended what the 3 meant. I was in an all-in regardless mode and played too quickly. If I had paused and thought about it more carefully like I normally do, I'd like to think I'd lay it down and try to recover. But I was almost pot committted no matter what, even if I thought I was beat.

So how won anyway?

I wouldn't second guess myself on this one. Honestly, you had the nut straight. Maybe you should have pushed on the turn and forced him, but overall, I don't think that mistake cost you.

You really didn't make a mistake on the hand IMO. You just caught a guy with a better hand.

I kicked myself for a few minutes after my play. Why risk it all with a K/K? I knew he likely only had three hands before I pushed after he called the reraise. A/A, A/K, K/K. I couldn't see him going with anything else.

But by the reraise point, I'm in serious trouble anyway. I can keep my 500 or so chips and hope I get another monster somewhere, or I can take the shot. A/A it was.

I'm not sure if I'd have played the hand any other way. I'm not sure if I should have played the hand any other way. That's poker, right?

[wahoomac]

Answer to the question as to who won, I finally won my first Colossal Squid tournament (in over a year and a half of trying). Is anyone still collecting the hand information from everyone?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by wahoomac

Answer to the question as to who won, I finally won my first Colossal Squid tournament (in over a year and a half of trying). Is anyone still collecting the hand information from everyone?

cartmans been keeping track. Congrats you deserved it you were awesome

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

cartmans been keeping track. Congrats you deserved it you were awesome

I think he means the idea of a "TV table" which has never seemed to go anywhere despite some interest.

[kcchief19]

I sent my previous histories, but I guess nobody else did. I'd be glad to send my four hands to Rick.

"Ooooh, Matt fold T5o on the button preflop just three hand before he blew his was on AQs. What a gambler!"

[primelord]

Originally Posted by TroyF

I wouldn't second guess myself on this one. Honestly, you had the nut straight. Maybe you should have pushed on the turn and forced him, but overall, I don't think that mistake cost you.

You really didn't make a mistake on the hand IMO. You just caught a guy with a better hand.

I kicked myself for a few minutes after my play. Why risk it all with a K/K? I knew he likely only had three hands before I pushed after he called the reraise. A/A, A/K, K/K. I couldn't see him going with anything else.

But by the reraise point, I'm in serious trouble anyway. I can keep my 500 or so chips and hope I get another monster somewhere, or I can take the shot. A/A it was.

I'm not sure if I'd have played the hand any other way. I'm not sure if I should have played the hand any other way. That's poker, right?

You played that hand fine. The vast majority of the time when AA and KK are out there all the chips are going in the middle one way or the other. FWIW I would have called your raise with a much wider range of hands than AA, KK or AK. You really think I am folding QQ-TT there? The only thing that would have possibly saved you from going broke there is if an A had flopped. As it was the flop was Tc 6h 4s. That is about as safe of a flop as it gets.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by primelord

You played that hand fine. The vast majority of the time when AA and KK are out there all the chips are going in the middle one way or the other. FWIW I would have called your raise with a much wider range of hands than AA, KK or AK. You really think I am folding QQ-TT there? The only thing that would have possibly saved you from going broke there is if an A had flopped. As it was the flop was Tc 6h 4s. That is about as safe of a flop as it gets.

I miswrote what I was thinking vs. what I felt. My gut told me you had one of the biggies. My head told me there was a bigger range you would have called with and that I was making the right play.

Yeah, the flop was about as bad as it could get for me. And you are also right, an A is the only thing that could have saved me from making the push there.

If anyone wants my hand history, let me know.