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15 | 18.07% |
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27 | 32.53% |
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27 | 32.53% |
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2 | 2.41% |
| Trout |
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12 | 14.46% |
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SEC - Mustain, Stafford, Tebow & Smelley
All 4 heralded freshmen QBs in the SEC played last week (and won't be redshirted). This means over the next 3-4 years we'll be able to track their progress in parallel.
Thought this thread might be interesting as we are all FOF fans and we love to see our 'draft picks' progress over 10-15 yrs. We'll see who boomed and who busted. I'm a Razorback fan, so I'm rooting for Mustain to outperform the other 3. I'll try to keep this thread going over the next 3-4 years! Mustain (AR) will probably be the starter. Tebow (FL) will have to play cleanup behind Leak and Stafford (GA) stands a good chance of starting now that Tereshinsky is out 4-6 weeks. Don't know much about Smelley (SC) but wouldn't be surprised if he starts sometime this season. Sep 9 stats: Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Tim Tebow 6-9 81 0 1 120.0 Mitch Mustain 9-17 119 1 0 131.2 Matthew Stafford 8-19 171 0 3 86.1 Chris Smelley 7-11 64 0 0 112.5 Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Tim Tebow 9 62 6.9 29 0 Mitch Mustain 5 -14 -2.8 7 0 Matthew Stafford 2 34 17.0 23 0 Chris Smelley 1 5 5.0 5 0 Here's my commentary on Mustain. He played against the USC second (third?) team and performed well. He played well against Utah State (although it was not the blowout the Hog fans wanted). No picks (unlike Stafford's 3 interceptions). Overall, too early to tell but not an obvious bust. Anyone else care to share their commentary (and hopes) on Tebow, Stafford and Smelley? Last edited by Edward64 : 09-11-2006 at 10:37 PM. |
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I think Skydog might have some high hopes for Stafford, but I'm not sure...
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Despite the fact I believe Chris Leak is the best NFL QB prospect in the country, I think Tebow is the better quarterback for the Florida/Urban Meyer offensive system. Will be interesting to see that play itself out. The way Tennessee struggled against the option (and the loss of Justin Harrell) should give them a win in Knoxville, but if UF loses more than one game, I expect Tebow to be put in as starter. A complete disservice to Leak, and a travesty to make the best passing QB in college football run a spread option attack, but it has worked in the past for Meyer, so who knows.
Stafford has been covered pretty well in other threads here, and I agree with the flashes of brilliance/overall disappointing season for the team, more due to the OL than Stafford. Mustain should have the best season, primarily because he has (comparatively) little pressure, but also because he played under the same system/coach (Malzean?) in HS. |
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Gus Malzahn was Mustain's Springdale HS coach. In addition to Mustain, they also got Mustain's top receiver and TE. It would seem to be the perfect combo but folks (ex. me) aren't convinced that a HS system can make the leap to college level. We'll see once we get into SEC play. Don't know about having the best season. I think Mustain's supporting cast is below the level of GA and FL. Very excited though, Mustain is probably the top QB ever recruited to AR. It will be fun to watch these 3 play against each other. |
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Also, the #8 QB as rated by Rivals, Chris Smelley, went to South Carolina, and he should be starting by the end of the year.
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Yeah, I think they did a short segment on Smelley during the GA/USC game. I assume he is redshirting for now? I'll add him to the topic if he starts playing ...
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I'm pretty sure he got some extended playing time in the GA game... smelley that is
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IMO for this season i could see mustain having better stats at the end of the year... but career wise its all about stafford, although tebow is gonna fit that offense perfectly in florida
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Poor Ryan Perriloux. I wonder if he regrets the last minute switch to go to Baton Rouge.
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I don't think it is officially, but considering Tebow fits the offense and Leak doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me if Meyer pulled Leak after they were out of the national title hunt, or at least if they fall out of SEC East/BCS contention. Meyer has never struck me as a very loyal guy - he could have put in an offense tailored to Leak for 2 years, then switched over when he had Tebow starting in 2007, but stuck Leak in his spread option attack, even though Leak is a (the best?) pocket passer. As long as you're building for success in 2007 anyway, why not? Plus all the fans will be calling for Tebow, and Meyer was getting calls for his head halfway through last year.
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Mustain will have the best career of all these guys.
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When someone makes a statement like this I have to ask a couple of questions. I'm not attacking the opinion, because I'm not familiar with any of them, but I'm curious: 1) How are you basing the opinion? Did you see all of them play a ton of HS games? 2) Are you basing it off of scouts or snippets you've heard from spring/fall practices? 3) Did you see all of these players in their games this year and are basing your opinion off of that? 4) other? |
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I think going off college careers, Mustain will be the more sure fire guy. He's going to have a Cutler or Eli Manning career, where the team will win 8 or 9 games but he'll be the key reason. Stafford will have the talent around him to potentially reel in a NC but either way UGA should be good for 10 wins while he's around. 8-9 without. Tebow is dynamic but I think he's overblown. The footage I've seen of him isn't that impressive, but you never know till he sees the field on Saturday.
I think based on importance to their teams winning, Mustain is going to be most integral between success and failure. He has the talent, and from all accounts the drive to lead a 5-6 win team and make them bowl eligible, and maybe even an SEC Darkhorse his senior year. |
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Mustain has the coolest name.
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I agree that Mustain is the most integral between success and failure. But because GA and FL has so much surrounding talent (don't know about Smelley in SC), I think the odds are that Stafford and Tebow will get the most attention and highest probability of success in their collegiate careers. What's interesting is there is another quality QB possibility Kodi Burns (sp?) who is supposed to be a possibility for AR next year. With Mustain playing the Hog boards are thinking it helps to recruit Kodi (ex. redshirt and then 2 years of leading the team). It will be great to have 2 quality QBs for a 6 year stretch. I don't expect AR to be a top 10 team but way back when they were a pretty consistent top 25 team. |
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I think that is very possible. I do think though if Mustain gets Arkansas back to respctibility he will be viewed as the reason and score a huge check from NFL scouts. Either way the SEC will be a lot of fun to watch for the next 3-4 years, although it always is. |
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Part of it is based on scouting reports I've read, but alot of it is based on the fact that South Carolina and Florida both use gimmick offenses. I'm not saying the other guys won't be good, but Florida and UGa are both gonna keep bringing in very highly touted QBs, and I suspect Spurrier will too. I don't see Arkansas having a situation where Mustain has to worry about another great QB pushing him. And in some cases that can be good, but sometimes it's not.
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k0ruptr and Easy Mac. Good call, I guess Smelley is it since Blake Mitchell got into the bar incident.
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Hmmm. . . so for one guy it's Stafford or Tebow and another it's Mustain. No votes for Smelley?
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I don't pretend to know too much about the non-Arkansas guys, so I have no idea which of them will have the best college career. As far as Mustain goes, a lot could depend on coaching. Most are saying this is a make or break year for Nutt. If Nutt leaves, what will happen with Malzahn, their OC? If Nutt stays, how much control of the offense is he going to retain? And what style of offense will that be? I'm not sold on Kodi Burns being a great college QB. I've seen him play some, and he has a ton of athletic ability. He's got a strong arm and is great at scrambling and making big plays on the run. There are many games where his completion rate is around 40%. I hope I'm wrong on him, and I have been on many others, but I am concerned about his passing ability. |
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ahbrady. FWIW, Kodi is ranked #9 QB prospect, 4 stars. He's probably AR's best shot at a good QB next year. http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2392446 I'm honestly tired of Nutt. He's had his fair chance to bring the program back to pseudo prominence and its not happened. Hope he goes and we get someone else (ex. Butch Davis). |
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I know Burns is rated highly by many scouting services, and I know they are much wiser than I am in these matters, but I just don't have confidence in his passing abilities. I hope I'm wrong though. I'm very tired of Nutt. I would say he's had more than his fair chance. I don't understand how he's lasted this long. |
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Poll added.
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Just finished watching AR/Vanderbilt game. Have to say Mustain looks pretty good for a true freshman. Some bad passes and the game was closer than it should have been because of the AR defense, but can't argue with his stats (can't remember the last time we had 3 passing tds against an SEC team).
AR passing seem to be 'relatively' efficient. I was looking forward to the next pass instead of dreading it. I don't consider Vanderbilt defense a real test for Mustain but a another step in his learning process. AL is next. Didn't see the GA/UAB game (couldn't find the station in Atlanta?). GA handily beat UAB but Stafford didn't seem to have a great day? Smelley should play tonight (edit: just read Spurrier will be using Newton, hopefully Smelley will see some playing time), don't know about Tebow. Sept 16 stats: Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Mitch Mustain 13-20 224 3 1 198.6 Matthew Stafford 10-17 107 0 0 111.7 Tim Tebow Chris Smelley Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Mitch Mustain 1 -13 -13.0 0 0 Matthew Stafford 6 3 0.5 9 1 Tim Tebow Chris Smelley Last edited by Edward64 : 09-16-2006 at 03:58 PM. |
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1. Mitch Mustain - In my opinion the top QB in this class. He has that "it"
2. Matthew Stafford - Will have a great college career. 3. Tim Tebow - Overrated and overhyped.
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Mitch Mustain sounds like what an evil supervillian would be named.
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Sept 16 stats (updated)
Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Mitch Mustain 13-20 224 3 1 198.6 Matthew Stafford 10-17 107 0 0 111.7 Tim Tebow -no passes- Chris Smelley -did not play- Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Mitch Mustain 1 -13 -13.0 0 0 Matthew Stafford 6 3 0.5 9 1 Tim Tebow 7 29 4.1 10 0 Chris Smelley -did not play- Well, it looks as if Mustain and Stafford did okay against 'weak teams'. Mustain definitely established his starter status (vs Casey Dick). Tebow did not get any passing plays but seems to be the best runner in the group. With Newton's solid play, Smelley might only see minimal playing time this year. Although too soon to be definite, Mustain seems to be the best performer so far. |
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Giving Stafford time in the system. Most of camp and in the first two games, Stafford was getting very few snaps with the first team (sharing them in camp with three other qb's). They used this game as a "get comfortable" game. I imagine he'll throw a little more in the next game against Colorado (but not much more if the running game keeps rolling), and then play more full package by the time he gets to Ole Miss. |
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Mustain played for Malzahn in HS. His understanding of Malzahn's offense probably gives him a leg up in this early period. |
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http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5975182
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I don't mean for this to be a Mustain cheerleading thread only. I know the AJC has a bunch on Stafford but their site is by registration only. Can't help to get excited about AR, its been awhile (ex. since Matt Jones, 2 yrs ago). Last edited by Edward64 : 09-17-2006 at 08:40 PM. |
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Sept 23 stats:
Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Matthew Stafford 8-16 76 0 0 89.9 Mitch Mustain 7-22 97 1 3 56.6 Tim Tebow -did not play- Chris Smelley -did not play- Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Matthew Stafford 4 -15 -3.8 2 0 Mitch Mustain 2 -5 -2.5 2 0 Tim Tebow -did not play- Chris Smelley -did not play- Not a good weekend for the freshman QBs. I did not see the GA game but it reads as if Joe Cox had to be brought in 4th qtr to replace Stafford to save the day. I wonder if this will cause a QB controversy ... at the very least I would expect Cox to get more shared playing time with Stafford now. Mustain was okay until the 4th qtr. I think he threw all 3 interceptions in the 4th qtr. After his 2nd interception, you could see his confidence was shot. After his 3rd interception I was thinking they may put in backup Casey Dick. Nutt stayed with Mustain and Mustain was able to pull off a 2nd OT win with a 'floating/wobbly' TD pass. It was really messy, AR did not deserve to win, AL lost it. AL missed 3 field goals and 1 extra point (I think all wide right!). AL scored a TD in the 2nd OT and the missed extra point was what sealed it when AR scored next. Mustain definitely looked shakey in the 4th qtr and in OT ... a bye week and then Auburn! Don't expect Mustain to pull that one off, but it would be nice if the Hogs kept it close. It doesn't look as if Smelley will get a chance to play much more this year. Blake Mitchell and Syvelle Newton seem to be taking care of business. FL is in the 4th qtr and it looks as if Chris Leak has the game in hand, but not a blowout to allow Tebow in. Unless some drastic happens in USC or FL, it looks as if this thread in 2006 is going to be mostly about Stafford and Mustain. |
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Smelly is going to get a red-shirt. He hurt his hand, and will not be playing again this year. Stafford is having a real hard time reading defenses, and it is stalling out the whole team. He should not be starting. Cox should start next week, and Joe T. will probably be back by the next game after that or so. I think Stafford should still get some playing time and let him continue to progress. He is just not ready to run the team yet.
I'm not real hopeful on UGA's chances versus the Vols if they don't figure something out at QB quick. Auburn will kill us regardless. Last edited by GrantDawg : 09-24-2006 at 06:56 AM. |
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Updated Sept 23 stats:
Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Matthew Stafford 8-16 76 0 0 89.9 Mitch Mustain 7-22 97 1 3 56.6 Tim Tebow 1-2 12 0 0 100.4 Chris Smelley -did not play- Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Matthew Stafford 4 -15 -3.8 2 0 Mitch Mustain 2 -5 -2.5 2 0 Tim Tebow 6 73 12.2 25 0 Chris Smelley -did not play- Wow, Tebow looks like the best runner out of this group. Quote:
I sometimes feel the same for Mustain but he's the main man now for sure ... GA has more choices/options than AR. Quote:
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For Smelley, what is the rules on redshirts. I know he got at least 1 series in the first or second game. Are they just saying he's hurt now? I think there's some 1 game or no more rule or something like that, just looking for a clarification. |
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I'm not sure. It sounded to me like they were going to try to use an ijury red-shirt, but I could be wrong. |
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I like how the last two options read as "Smelley Trout"
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I have no idea if Tebow can throw or not... he did have one nice spinning pass to his left that fooled the UK defense, but that looked more like athleticism than polish. But I'm stoked to see him run! The game announcers made some inane Mike Vick comparison (I guess that's the law, now, when a QB scampers for more than one 1st down in a game yer compelled to say he moves like Ron Mexico), but to me he moves more like a young Steve McNair, but without (so far) the prodigious passing stats.
I'm embarrassed that Gator "fans" actually booed Leak at one point when he came back into the game... then were cheering like mad when he continued to light up Kentucky's defense late in the game. |
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Sept 30 stats:
Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Matthew Stafford 7-18 91 0 0 81.4 Tim Tebow 1-1 23 0 0 293.2 Mitch Mustain -bye week- Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Matthew Stafford 2 3 1.5 8 0 Tim Tebow 9 28 3.1 6 1 Mitch Mustain -bye week- Stafford had more plays than Cox and played conservatively, no picks, no TDs. No breakout game for him yet. Tereshinski will be practicing again this week, should be interesting to see what the QB situation is in a couple weeks. I finally saw Tebow play, he can definitely run but am disappointed that he doesn't get to throw more. Any idea why he doesn't get to throw more? AR has a bye week. Mustain will have his hands full next week with Auburn. Don't expect to win but would be nice if Mustain performed well under pressure and kept it somewhat close. The Auburn-USC game makes me hopeful. Here's an AJC piece (last week) on Mustain and others. Quote:
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CNN has a list of top 15 true freshmen
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Mustain making the case today. Daggum, I didn't see this coming.
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that guy's last name is actually "Smelley"??? LOL
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Oct 7 stats:
Passing CP-AT YDS TD INT RTG Mitch Mustain 7-10 87 1 0 176.1 Tim Tebow 2-2 36 2 0 581.2 Matthew Stafford 2-5 11 0 1 18.5 Rushing ATT YDS AVG LG TD Mitch Mustain 2 4 2.0 4 0 Tim Tebow 9 35 3.9 15 1 Matthew Stafford n/a Great win for AR over #2 Auburn but Mustain was not the key ... 10 pass attempts (87 yards) vs 43 rushing attempts (270+ yards rushing). But props to Mustain for not making mistakes to give the game away. This should put AR in the top 25 next week! Tebow still doing great but it looks as if we will have to wait till next season (unless Leak gets hurt) before we can fairly compare him with the other QBs (well, at least with Mustain. I wonder if Stafford will move up with GA's loss today). Stafford was put in when the game was lost. Not great stats at all, he looks to be struggling more than Mustain/Tebow. GA just fell apart in the 2nd half. Last edited by Edward64 : 10-07-2006 at 10:38 PM. |
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If I were Tebow, I would quit after today.
There is nowhere to go from here except down. |
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