OT: Treason?

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 11:32 AM

ANKARA (Reuters) - A group of around 50 Western anti-war activists received visas Tuesday to enter Iraq where they plan to form "human shields" in an effort to deter a possible U.S.-led attack on the Arab state.

The volunteers said at an impromptu news conference in the Turkish capital they hoped their presence and the possibility of Western casualties would encourage U.S. political leaders and military planners to re-think any plans to bomb Baghdad for its alleged development of weapons of mass destruction.

"I am an American human shield on this trip to Baghdad to try and stop this war," said volunteer John Rosse.

"I ask American troops headed here...not to come, they have no business being here. They do not make good ambassadors. They are here to kill, murder, devastate the civilian population of Iraq. That is not an American thing to do."

The group is traveling across Turkey in a convoy, including a red double-decker bus, that is expected to cross into Syria on Wednesday before entering Iraq. The volunteers left London late last month and headed overland across Europe.
Iraq Grants Anti-War 'Human Shields' Entry Visas

Reuters
Tuesday, February 11, 2003; 8:50 AM

On arriving in Iraq, they plan to disperse to populated areas of Baghdad and other parts of the country and teach their women the art of the bikini wax. Critics have said they are naively playing into Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's hands.

Turkey last week deported Ken Nichols, a former U.S. marine who helped organize the "human shields" campaign, after he tried to enter the country using documents describing himself as a "citizen of the world."

Edward Cranswick, a seismologist who works for the U.S. government, said he wanted to raise awareness among Americans.

"I believe I am doing a small bit to raise attention, particularly (among) the American public...I want to be a human being alongside the Iraqis and that will get the attention of Americans," he said.

from http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003Feb11.html

Drake · 02-11-2003, 11:40 AM

Nah, just stupid.

Craptacular · 02-11-2003, 11:41 AM

Good, 50 less idiots amongst us.

heybrad · 02-11-2003, 11:43 AM

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They are here to kill, murder, devastate the civilian population of Iraq.

Thats just stupid.

GrantDawg · 02-11-2003, 11:43 AM

Drake · 02-11-2003, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
Good, 50 less idiots amongst us.

Your use of "idiots" infringes on my "stupid" designation. Please select another option.

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Originally posted by heybrad
That is just stupid.

You only get a pass because I know you. Next time, I want you to at least offer royalties, though.

Craptacular · 02-11-2003, 11:45 AM

Good. 50 less asshats amongst us.

Is that better?

ACStrider · 02-11-2003, 11:46 AM

Treason...not yet. Now, if they actually took up arms against incoming planes and armed forces, I would hope they would be hung upon reentry to the country. Go ahead...be a human shield. I just don't want to hear anyone complaining if war does break out and they happen to be on the casulty list. They had the choice of staying at home and peacefully protesting. That's their right. They also have a right to make themselves an easy target if they so wish. I have the right to drive my car off a cliff, but that doesn't make it someone else's fault if I get killed.

vtbub · 02-11-2003, 11:46 AM

Stupid, yes. Treason, no.

They have every right to to do as they please, in this case extreme civil disobiedence. It would be treason, IMHO, if they were harboring Iraqi officials in their homes, or if it could be proven that they were giving secrets of how our technology works or what our battle plans are.

It never ceases to amaze me how arrogant the anti-war movement really is.

JonInMiddleGA · 02-11-2003, 11:46 AM

Treasonous filth to be more precise.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
Good. 50 less asshats amongst us.

Is that better?

Fabulous!

Bee · 02-11-2003, 11:48 AM

As an engineer, I don't think their bodies will be very effective as a shield. I wonder at what point will they realize this?

Drake · 02-11-2003, 11:49 AM

Right before the BOOM! hopefully.

Bee · 02-11-2003, 11:53 AM

I can see it now...

The protestor standing there with a hundred soldiers cowering behind them.

"Don't worry, I'm a human shield. You'll be safe behind me!"

cruise missile comes whistling in.

"Oh Sh......"

KaBOOOOM

Craptacular · 02-11-2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Bee
As an engineer, I don't think their bodies will be very effective as a shield. I wonder at what point will they realize this?

As an engineer, I do think their bodies will make nice pothole filling though.

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 12:21 PM

Would this be rendering aid or comfort to the enemy?

scooper · 02-11-2003, 12:24 PM

hey brad!

Bee · 02-11-2003, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by Craptacular
As an engineer, I do think their bodies will make nice pothole filling though.

I wouldn't want to be the guy having to scrape up the pieces to put in the mix though.

Qwikshot · 02-11-2003, 12:27 PM

I cannot believe they would do this, so they save one area, so what...I just hope they stay safe, of course, now the press can tagalong with them after the U.S. forces begin to censor reports...
Is what they are doing right? It's a futile attempt to garner support.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 12:51 PM

Maybe it isn't really true. Maybe it is pro-war propaganda designed to whip those of us on the fence into a patriotic frenzy of outrage that some Americans would be such poor citizens that we will jump--nay, leap--headlong into the teeth of total war.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just sort of curious.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 12:53 PM

We should have stkelly52 check this out. He's in Turkey, isn't he?

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 12:59 PM

jebus drake, could you be a bigger doof?

Noop · 02-11-2003, 01:11 PM

A guys I think Fritz is a genius.

noop

Anrhydeddu · 02-11-2003, 01:21 PM

I wonder where the human shield was when Saddam had 1.5 million Kurds killed?

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
I wonder where the human shield was when Saddam had 1.5 million Kurds killed?

dude, the kurds were the shield. Saddam was just aiming at some chickens.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
dude, the kurds were the shield. Saddam was just aiming at some chickens.

That is one sad-assed reason to make yourself a human shield. I think wiping out such stupid people as that should garner him awards for cleansing the gene pool rather than international villification. Maybe I've had it wrong all along with my warmongering ways...

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 02:06 PM

I feel for the chickens. Poor little cluckers.

I blame Chik-Fil-A and those cows.

dacman · 02-11-2003, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
We should have stkelly52 check this out. He's in Turkey, isn't he?

Nope -- Malaysia. You're thinking of Dutch.

scooper · 02-11-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
dude, the kurds were the shield. Saddam was just aiming at some chickens.

That was the coffee spitter of the day.

rkmsuf · 02-11-2003, 02:20 PM

let's get this straight. They have 50 people organized into this movement? 50? What are they hoping to shield?

The only conclusion to draw is these people are insane and should they survive should be denied reentry into the USA since they would be nothing but a drain to welfare. I'd instruct the soldiers to aim at these folks first.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by dacman
Nope -- Malaysia. You're thinking of Dutch.

Righty-o! Dutch it is.

Someone get Dutch on the super-secret FOFC emergency line and have him look into this.

There is never a mod around when you need them.

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by rkmsuf
let's get this straight. They have 50 people organized into this movement? 50? What are they hoping to shield?

It sure aint the chickens. they are all dead now.

I guess they could have imported more chickens from france.

I know, I know, there was the chicken ban, but those French have no ethics.

BishopMVP · 02-11-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
Would this be rendering aid or comfort to the enemy?

Aid no, I don't really see how they are helping the enemy. Comfort probably if you wanted to argue it. IMO no need to hang these people, just revoke their citizenship.

Besides, didn't the "leader" of this motley crew already leave and go back to Britain?

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:30 PM

French chickens...isn't that redundant?

(Sorry, Darkiller. Had to be said. Fritz set it up. Blame him.)

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by BishopMVP
IMO no need to hang these people, just revoke their citizenship.

Let's do this to the liberals while we're at it.

And the Christians.

And the political dissidents.

And the women's libbers.

Oh, and everyone else who gets on my nerves.

Don't be a doof.

Kodos · 02-11-2003, 02:33 PM

I think this topic would have made for a nice poll.

DataKing · 02-11-2003, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
Righty-o! Dutch it is.

Someone get Dutch on the super-secret FOFC emergency line and have him look into this.

There is never a mod around when you need them.

Somewhere in Turkey, a bright red telephone rings...

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by BishopMVP
Aid no, I don't really see how they are helping the enemy. Comfort probably if you wanted to argue it.

What would you define as aid or comfort?

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:47 PM

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What would you define as aid or comfort?

1. Tootsie Rolls
2. Vespa Scooters
3. Letting them host the Midget Olympics
4. Donkey Basketball tournaments
5. Donations of old Atari game systems
6. Teaching their women the art of the bikini wax

I did not see in the article where they intended to do any of these things, though.

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
1. Tootsie Rolls
2. Vespa Scooters
3. Letting them host the Midget Olympics
4. Donkey Basketball tournaments
5. Donations of old Atari game systems
6. Teaching their women the art of the bikini wax

I did not see in the article where they intended to do any of these things, though.

I think you missed something

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:55 PM

Are you talking about sex again

Drake · 02-11-2003, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
5. Donations of old Atari game systems

Nevermind, I see it.

5. Donations of old Atari game systems and Atari game cartridges -- most notably: Pitfall (tm) and Frogger (tm), where available

Better?

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 03:02 PM

did you read the article? It is pretty shitty for you to run your doofy doofass doofyap when you obviously have not read the article.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 03:08 PM

I read it. I no longer consider teaching women the art of bikini wax to be aid and comfort. Bikini waxes are a hygiene issue.

BishopMVP · 02-11-2003, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
Let's do this to the liberals while we're at it.

And the Christians.

And the political dissidents.

And the women's libbers.

Oh, and everyone else who gets on my nerves.

Don't be a doof.

Notice how I did not say revoke the citizenship of the liberals, Christians, political dissidents, women's libbers and everyone who gets on my nerves. I support revoking the citizenship of anyone who wishes to go to a country like Iraq that is currently under sanctions from the UN/US and help that country against ours. Saying you are against the war, fine, protesting against the war, fine, trying to go to the country itself and help our opponent, fine, just don't come back. There are thousands of people who pay their life savings for the right to float on a raft or crawl across a desert who I would rather you give your citizenship too.

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Originally posted by Fritz
What would you define as aid or comfort?

I would define aid as actually helping the other country we are fighting against. I do not think this applies since I don't think these people are actually helping Iraq at all. Comfort is harder to define, and is something much more open to individual interpretation. With a narrow interpretation, it could just mean actually healing soldiers from the other side or it could mean anyone saying anything "comforting" to the other side. I definitely prefer the narrower definition, since it could otherwise be used to infringe on the 1st Amendment.

Fritz · 02-11-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
I read it. I no longer consider teaching women the art of bikini wax to be aid and comfort. Bikini waxes are a hygiene issue.

revisionist.

Another article says the protestors are bringing Iraq betamax technology and Ronco Stud-O-Matic.

So there

Drake · 02-11-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by BishopMVP
I would define aid as actually helping the other country we are fighting against.

By your definition, I would still keep liberals and women's libbers on that list. I'd also add individuals convicted of murders against young men of military eligible age. I mean, if you kill someone before we can make him a soldier, theoretically you've done the enemy's job for him/her. That should be factored into murder trials, imho.

I would also like to add the Cincinnati Bengals to this list, just on general principle.

BishopMVP · 02-11-2003, 03:34 PM

I said helping the other country, not hurting ours. Those are two seperate things. I'll agree on Mike Brown, but not the entire Bengals team. Corey Dillon is pretty good and Carl Pickens' famous "f---ing cracker" rant was great.

Drake · 02-11-2003, 03:39 PM

We'll agree to exclude Corey Dillon and Carl Pickens, but only if you give me Mike Holmgren in trade.

ACStrider · 02-11-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Drake
That is one sad-assed reason to make yourself a human shield. I think wiping out such stupid people as that should garner him awards for cleansing the gene pool rather than international villification. Maybe I've had it wrong all along with my warmongering ways...

Maybe they could win a collective Darwin award.

02-11-2003, 11:43 AM	#5
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Sad.

02-11-2003, 11:46 AM	#8
ACStrider High School JV Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX	Treason...not yet. Now, if they actually took up arms against incoming planes and armed forces, I would hope they would be hung upon reentry to the country. Go ahead...be a human shield. I just don't want to hear anyone complaining if war does break out and they happen to be on the casulty list. They had the choice of staying at home and peacefully protesting. That's their right. They also have a right to make themselves an easy target if they so wish. I have the right to drive my car off a cliff, but that doesn't make it someone else's fault if I get killed. __________________ "I'm evil." "Oh you are not!" "Oh I am too." -- Brak

02-11-2003, 11:46 AM	#9
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Stupid, yes. Treason, no. They have every right to to do as they please, in this case extreme civil disobiedence. It would be treason, IMHO, if they were harboring Iraqi officials in their homes, or if it could be proven that they were giving secrets of how our technology works or what our battle plans are. It never ceases to amaze me how arrogant the anti-war movement really is. __________________

02-11-2003, 11:46 AM	#10
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Re: OT: Treason? Treasonous filth to be more precise.

02-11-2003, 12:21 PM	#16
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	Would this be rendering aid or comfort to the enemy? __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

02-11-2003, 11:40 AM	#2
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Nah, just stupid.

02-11-2003, 11:41 AM	#3
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Good, 50 less idiots amongst us.

02-11-2003, 11:45 AM	#7
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Good. 50 less asshats amongst us. Is that better?

02-11-2003, 11:48 AM	#12
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	As an engineer, I don't think their bodies will be very effective as a shield. I wonder at what point will they realize this?

02-11-2003, 11:49 AM	#13
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Right before the BOOM! hopefully.

02-11-2003, 11:53 AM	#14
Bee Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fairfax, VA	I can see it now... The protestor standing there with a hundred soldiers cowering behind them. "Don't worry, I'm a human shield. You'll be safe behind me!" cruise missile comes whistling in. "Oh Sh......" KaBOOOOM

02-11-2003, 12:24 PM	#17
scooper College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cinn City	hey brad!

02-11-2003, 12:27 PM	#19
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	I cannot believe they would do this, so they save one area, so what...I just hope they stay safe, of course, now the press can tagalong with them after the U.S. forces begin to censor reports... Is what they are doing right? It's a futile attempt to garner support. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

02-11-2003, 12:51 PM	#20
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Maybe it isn't really true. Maybe it is pro-war propaganda designed to whip those of us on the fence into a patriotic frenzy of outrage that some Americans would be such poor citizens that we will jump--nay, leap--headlong into the teeth of total war. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just sort of curious. Last edited by Drake : 02-11-2003 at 12:52 PM.

02-11-2003, 12:53 PM	#21
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	We should have stkelly52 check this out. He's in Turkey, isn't he?

02-11-2003, 12:59 PM	#22
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	jebus drake, could you be a bigger doof? __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster Last edited by Fritz : 02-11-2003 at 12:59 PM.

02-11-2003, 01:11 PM	#23
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Florida	A guys I think Fritz is a genius. noop __________________ Living in an Oligarchy.

02-11-2003, 01:21 PM	#24
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	I wonder where the human shield was when Saddam had 1.5 million Kurds killed?

02-11-2003, 02:06 PM	#27
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	I feel for the chickens. Poor little cluckers. I blame Chik-Fil-A and those cows. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

02-11-2003, 02:20 PM	#30
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	let's get this straight. They have 50 people organized into this movement? 50? What are they hoping to shield? The only conclusion to draw is these people are insane and should they survive should be denied reentry into the USA since they would be nothing but a drain to welfare. I'd instruct the soldiers to aim at these folks first. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

02-11-2003, 02:30 PM	#34
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	French chickens...isn't that redundant? (Sorry, Darkiller. Had to be said. Fritz set it up. Blame him.)

02-11-2003, 02:33 PM	#36
Kodos Resident Alien Join Date: Jun 2001	I think this topic would have made for a nice poll.

02-11-2003, 02:55 PM	#41
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	Are you talking about sex again

02-11-2003, 03:02 PM	#43
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	did you read the article? It is pretty shitty for you to run your doofy doofass doofyap when you obviously have not read the article. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

02-11-2003, 03:08 PM	#44
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	I read it. I no longer consider teaching women the art of bikini wax to be aid and comfort. Bikini waxes are a hygiene issue.

02-11-2003, 03:34 PM	#48
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	I said helping the other country, not hurting ours. Those are two seperate things. I'll agree on Mike Brown, but not the entire Bengals team. Corey Dillon is pretty good and Carl Pickens' famous "f---ing cracker" rant was great.

02-11-2003, 03:39 PM	#49
Drake assmaster Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bloomington, IN	We'll agree to exclude Corey Dillon and Carl Pickens, but only if you give me Mike Holmgren in trade.

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