Cm4 baby! Who isn't thrilled?

Ramzavail · 02-11-2003, 12:41 PM

CM 4 Linkage

I love the screenshot of game actually going on with little dots as your players, where you see your tactics actually being played out.

Who isn't thrilled about this?

Senator · 02-11-2003, 12:45 PM

my pocketbook and my wife and my free time

Craptacular · 02-11-2003, 12:45 PM

Ramzavail · 02-11-2003, 12:49 PM

don't kid yourself, you are thrilled.

Craptacular · 02-11-2003, 12:58 PM

Considering I've never seen the game, I have to disagree.

SplitPersonality1 · 02-11-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Senator
my pocketbook and my wife and my free time

I totally agree Senator. I totally agree.

Ramzavail · 02-11-2003, 01:04 PM

click on the link craptacular, thats why its there

rkmsuf · 02-11-2003, 01:06 PM

I clicked on it and yep there's a field with little dots on it...

Marmel · 02-11-2003, 01:13 PM

Put me in the not excited for Soccer camp.

Radii · 02-11-2003, 01:15 PM

I need CM4 badly. My posts per day rate is falling quickly. CM4 will fix this

FBPro · 02-11-2003, 01:19 PM

Not time for it, don't understand all the player moves and crap.

McSweeny · 02-11-2003, 01:20 PM

mmmmmm CM4 :::drooooool:::

Anrhydeddu · 02-11-2003, 01:23 PM

It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

bbor · 02-11-2003, 01:33 PM

CM uber alles

02-11-2003, 01:38 PM

Not a big soccer fan but interested in expanding my sim categories to include the management of an international sport. Will certainly check it out and listen in once it's release.

Qwikshot · 02-11-2003, 01:51 PM

I can't wait, but I'll admit, I grown addicted to hattrick...

HornedFrog Purple · 02-11-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Qwikshot
I can't wait, but I'll admit, I grown addicted to hattrick...

Threadjack.

I dont have you on the list over in the Dynasty forum. Do you wish to be on it and if so what is your team #?

vex · 02-11-2003, 02:00 PM

Wow, moving dots.

rkmsuf · 02-11-2003, 02:02 PM

The dots are actually different colors.

vex · 02-11-2003, 02:06 PM

Oh, well, that definitely changes my mind.

Marmel · 02-11-2003, 02:07 PM

HA! They stole those graphics from the Atari 2600!

Marmel · 02-11-2003, 02:07 PM

dola....

I love how your reserves are a bunch of dots sitting on the sidelines.

rkmsuf · 02-11-2003, 02:09 PM

Occasionally you'll see a dot run to the locker room to relieve himself.

Daimyo · 02-11-2003, 02:10 PM

I'm trying very hard to avoid the civ3/tcy/sim city3000 situation of allowing myself to get super hyped for a sequel only to be incredibly disapointed by a product inferior to its predecessors... but wow I can't wait for CM4!!

Marmel · 02-11-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by rkmsuf
Occasionally you'll see a dot run to the locker room to relieve himself.

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Daimyo · 02-11-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Marmel
HA! They stole those graphics from the Atari 2600!

If CM4 is the Atari 2600, does that make fof4/ootp4 a checker board?

Marmel · 02-11-2003, 02:13 PM

FOF is more like the Commodore64 when it comes to the scoreboard "graphical representation"

HornedFrog Purple · 02-11-2003, 02:19 PM

Isnt every game you play just a bunch of organized dots of different colors?

I am pro-dot.

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Marmel · 02-11-2003, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by HornedFrog Purple
Isnt every game you play just a bunch of organized dots of different colors?

I am pro-dot.

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Sure, but those dots combine to form something similar to the object it is depicting.

I tried CM and it was not for me, however I honestly think a graphical representation of the action is a very, very good thing.

This just struck me as very funny. It might work great, but it does look ridiculous.

vex · 02-11-2003, 02:21 PM

I like it when the dots make polygon players though

HornedFrog Purple · 02-11-2003, 02:32 PM

I was just kidding Marmel, every game is not for everybody.

Sometimes when playing CM, a goal comes out of the blue. I think if it works properly, its a great step forward if its fluid which from watching the videos it looks that way. It should add to the tactical part of it so you can see whats going on.

Its also an option apparently so die-hards can still play with the play-by-play. One thing I wish would happen in OOTP and FOF is a variety of descriptive play-by-play.

Tarkus · 02-11-2003, 02:52 PM

If soccer were a real sport I'd be interested. As it is

Tarkus

Airhog · 02-11-2003, 03:11 PM

I am hoping to throughly enjoy the updated International management aspect of this game. Marc has commented that it will be much more in depth, and I am hoping so.

ice4277 · 02-11-2003, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

The quality of the sport is subjective. I would much much much much rather watch a soccer game than a baseball game and think it is a much more enjoyable sport. But at the same time, I have enjoyed playing games such as OOTP to a great degree.

Alf · 02-11-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

Soccer is the most popular sport over the whole planet. Period. No need to argue !

And being WORLD champions at soccer really means world champion

Not like your so-called local world championships

klayman · 02-11-2003, 05:58 PM

The only game better then soccer is hockey...and it ain't that much better

daedalus · 02-11-2003, 06:50 PM

I'm definitely excited by the new release. Can't wait to see some of the UI changes, small additions (ie, improved notes) and the match representation. Like Horned, I'd like to be able to understand better some of the goals that ended up being one-liners.

As for the sport of soccer/futbol itself, I've gone from completely hating it to now being able to suffer extremely small doses (a few minutes at a time) every now and again. At least from a spectator sport perspective. Still can't see myself enjoying the game from a participant perspective yet.

Vince · 02-11-2003, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Alf:
And being WORLD champions at soccer really means world champion

Not like your so-called local world championships

Alf, while I agree with you in principle...do you really think any team that isn't in the NFL could possibly come close to beating even the worst team in the NFL consistently enough to threaten to be the best team in the world? Sure the NFL isn't international, but I don't think you can argue that there are better teams out there.

ColtCrazy · 02-11-2003, 08:39 PM

Again with the soccer bashing. If the Americans had invented it, I bet its popularity would be a lot higher. And don't give me the boring angle, we did invent baseball after all.

Anyway, I love going to soccer matches, two 45 minute halves, no sitting around during endless TV time outs. Cool Chants (2nd half of a 5-0 Crystal Palace thumping of Brighton the Palace fans started singing "You're Sh** and you know you are." )

I'm excited about CM. It's the definitive sim. Very interested to see how the new one looks.

bbor · 02-11-2003, 09:20 PM

Up with dots!

JeeberD · 02-11-2003, 09:21 PM

I'm sure that CM is a great game and all, but I just have no interest in soccer whatsoever.

vex · 02-12-2003, 01:56 AM

Soccer is one of those sports that is REALLY fun to play, but VERY boring to watch. But because of hattrick, I may give this a try.

Alf · 02-12-2003, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by Vince
Alf, while I agree with you in principle...do you really think any team that isn't in the NFL could possibly come close to beating even the worst team in the NFL consistently enough to threaten to be the best team in the world? Sure the NFL isn't international, but I don't think you can argue that there are better teams out there.

of course, my remarks were meant in order to draw at least one response like yours

I agree with the NFL as you're the only country to play it at such a professional level. We also have a world championship of american football (to be held in Germany this summer), and France, Germany, Japan and a 4th country will be playing there. However, to give you an idea on how we suck at American Football, we only have 5-6 French players in the NFL Europe, so that's a long way to even get o NFL level...

However, for Basketball, I do not think that your NBA champion should be called World champion. At Sydney olympics, you hardly beat Lithuania in the seims and worse than that, at the latest World Championship, your National team (full of NBA players) didn't even make it to the final four...

Blackadar · 02-12-2003, 06:03 AM

Yum, looks tasty. The only reason I haven't put in my pre-order is that I'm not sure where I'll be living in a month.

Samdari · 02-12-2003, 07:14 AM

I've played, and I could care less.

It is perhaps the most well made sports sim out there, but in the end, its still about soccer. Watching play by plays of soccer games is as exciting as, well, watching soccer. I would also be bored by an extremely well made shopping sim.

moriarty · 02-12-2003, 09:31 AM

It is rather funny that several folks (myself included) are looking forward to a game w/ 1980's style top down graphics.

It sort of reminds me of that old arcade football game with the X's and O's for players, and you controlled your player with the track ball. That was a classic game.

Anrhydeddu · 02-12-2003, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Samdari
I've played, and I could care less.

It is perhaps the most well made sports sim out there, but in the end, its still about soccer. Watching play by plays of soccer games is as exciting as, well, watching soccer. I would also be bored by an extremely well made shopping sim.

You said it better than I could.

Something to ponder: Pro Football is the most popular sport in the US but the only text-based game on the market can only sell 2000+ copies. CM4 will sell at least 100,000 copies ... in the first weekend alone.

GrantDawg · 02-12-2003, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
You said it better than I could.

Something to ponder: Pro Football is the most popular sport in the US but the only text-based game on the market can only sell 2000+ copies. CM4 will sell at least 100,000 copies ... in the first weekend alone.

It is because Americans in general is too stupid to enjoy something that uses their brain instead of there trigger finger.

Dutch · 02-12-2003, 10:26 AM

Speak for yourself! I've been watching SpongeBob Squarepants with my kids and am learning to use my IMAGINE----AAAATION....

Rich1033 · 02-12-2003, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Alf
However, for Basketball, I do not think that your NBA champion should be called World champion. At Sydney olympics, you hardly beat Lithuania in the seims and worse than that, at the latest World Championship, your National team (full of NBA players) didn't even make it to the final four...

While I understand the logic behind this, I dont agree. In a league where most of the worlds best players come to compete, I do not see anything wrong with declaring yourself as the World Champs.

Now as for CM4, I like dots.

02-11-2003, 12:45 PM	#2
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	my pocketbook and my wife and my free time __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

02-11-2003, 01:06 PM	#8
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I clicked on it and yep there's a field with little dots on it... __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

02-11-2003, 01:13 PM	#9
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	Put me in the not excited for Soccer camp. __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

02-11-2003, 01:19 PM	#11
FBPro College Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SE	Not time for it, don't understand all the player moves and crap. __________________ GM RayCo Raiders-est. 2004-2012 Charter member of the IHOF-RayCo GM GM Tennessee Titans PFL 2011-2014 GM Tennessee Titans FOWL 2020-2025

02-11-2003, 01:33 PM	#14
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	CM uber alles __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

02-11-2003, 12:45 PM	#3
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	me

02-11-2003, 12:49 PM	#4
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	don't kid yourself, you are thrilled.

02-11-2003, 12:58 PM	#5
Craptacular College Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Mad City, WI	Considering I've never seen the game, I have to disagree.

02-11-2003, 01:04 PM	#7
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	click on the link craptacular, thats why its there

02-11-2003, 01:15 PM	#10
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I need CM4 badly. My posts per day rate is falling quickly. CM4 will fix this

02-11-2003, 01:20 PM	#12
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	mmmmmm CM4 :::drooooool:::

02-11-2003, 01:23 PM	#13
Anrhydeddu Resident Curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002	It's too bad CM4 had to be about soccer. A superbly designed game using a bad sport. That just don't mix.

02-11-2003, 01:38 PM	#15
couriers	Not a big soccer fan but interested in expanding my sim categories to include the management of an international sport. Will certainly check it out and listen in once it's release.

02-11-2003, 01:51 PM	#16
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	I can't wait, but I'll admit, I grown addicted to hattrick... __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

02-11-2003, 02:00 PM	#18
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Wow, moving dots.

02-11-2003, 02:02 PM	#19
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	The dots are actually different colors. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

02-11-2003, 02:06 PM	#20
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Oh, well, that definitely changes my mind.

02-11-2003, 02:07 PM	#21
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	HA! They stole those graphics from the Atari 2600! __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

02-11-2003, 02:09 PM	#23
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	Occasionally you'll see a dot run to the locker room to relieve himself. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

02-11-2003, 02:10 PM	#24
Daimyo College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkeley	I'm trying very hard to avoid the civ3/tcy/sim city3000 situation of allowing myself to get super hyped for a sequel only to be incredibly disapointed by a product inferior to its predecessors... but wow I can't wait for CM4!!

02-11-2003, 02:13 PM	#27
Marmel Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Manchester, CT	FOF is more like the Commodore64 when it comes to the scoreboard "graphical representation" __________________ 81-78 Cincinnati basketball writer P. Daugherty, "Connor Barwin playing several minutes against Syracuse is like kids with slingshots taking down Caesar's legions."

02-11-2003, 02:19 PM	#28
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	Isnt every game you play just a bunch of organized dots of different colors? I am pro-dot. . __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

02-11-2003, 02:21 PM	#30
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	I like it when the dots make polygon players though

02-11-2003, 02:32 PM	#31
HornedFrog Purple Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Worthless, Tx	I was just kidding Marmel, every game is not for everybody. Sometimes when playing CM, a goal comes out of the blue. I think if it works properly, its a great step forward if its fluid which from watching the videos it looks that way. It should add to the tactical part of it so you can see whats going on. Its also an option apparently so die-hards can still play with the play-by-play. One thing I wish would happen in OOTP and FOF is a variety of descriptive play-by-play. __________________ King of All FOFC Media!!! IHOF: Fort Worthless Fury- 2004 AOC Deep South Champions (not acknowledged via conspiracy)

02-11-2003, 02:52 PM	#32
Tarkus High School Varsity Join Date: Jun 2001	If soccer were a real sport I'd be interested. As it is Tarkus

02-11-2003, 03:11 PM	#33
Airhog Captain Obvious Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Norman, Oklahoma	I am hoping to throughly enjoy the updated International management aspect of this game. Marc has commented that it will be much more in depth, and I am hoping so. __________________ Thread Killer extraordinaire Yay! its football season once again!

02-11-2003, 05:58 PM	#36
klayman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Edmonton	The only game better then soccer is hockey...and it ain't that much better

02-11-2003, 06:50 PM	#37
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	I'm definitely excited by the new release. Can't wait to see some of the UI changes, small additions (ie, improved notes) and the match representation. Like Horned, I'd like to be able to understand better some of the goals that ended up being one-liners. As for the sport of soccer/futbol itself, I've gone from completely hating it to now being able to suffer extremely small doses (a few minutes at a time) every now and again. At least from a spectator sport perspective. Still can't see myself enjoying the game from a participant perspective yet.

02-11-2003, 08:39 PM	#39
ColtCrazy College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Midwest	Again with the soccer bashing. If the Americans had invented it, I bet its popularity would be a lot higher. And don't give me the boring angle, we did invent baseball after all. Anyway, I love going to soccer matches, two 45 minute halves, no sitting around during endless TV time outs. Cool Chants (2nd half of a 5-0 Crystal Palace thumping of Brighton the Palace fans started singing "You're Sh** and you know you are." ) I'm excited about CM. It's the definitive sim. Very interested to see how the new one looks. __________________ The Field Generals and Statis Pro Basketball Super League

02-11-2003, 09:20 PM	#40
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	Up with dots! __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

02-11-2003, 09:21 PM	#41
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I'm sure that CM is a great game and all, but I just have no interest in soccer whatsoever. __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-12-2003, 01:56 AM	#42
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Soccer is one of those sports that is REALLY fun to play, but VERY boring to watch. But because of hattrick, I may give this a try.

02-12-2003, 06:03 AM	#44
Blackadar Retired Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fantasyland	Yum, looks tasty. The only reason I haven't put in my pre-order is that I'm not sure where I'll be living in a month.

02-12-2003, 07:14 AM	#45
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	I've played, and I could care less. It is perhaps the most well made sports sim out there, but in the end, its still about soccer. Watching play by plays of soccer games is as exciting as, well, watching soccer. I would also be bored by an extremely well made shopping sim. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

02-12-2003, 09:31 AM	#46
moriarty College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: A negative place	It is rather funny that several folks (myself included) are looking forward to a game w/ 1980's style top down graphics. It sort of reminds me of that old arcade football game with the X's and O's for players, and you controlled your player with the track ball. That was a classic game.