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Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
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Change to NFL No-Huddle Rule
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9709450
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Head Coach
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hometown of Canada
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So the ref can theoretically stand over the ball while the clock runs down? Why would defensive players hurry on to the field with 10 seconds running, up by 4, and their opponent is on the 10-yard line?
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Bounty Hunter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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What's the point of having a competition committee and voting on rule changes if they can just change the rules in the first quarter of the season? What's next? They'll decide after week 7 that there are too many video reviews, so instant replay will go away? What about deciding to use the new NCAA timing rules after week 12? Maybe go to a college-style overtime system starting in week 16! This is great!
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Internets
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If I'm reading it correctly (and I could be wrong), the refs only give the defense time if the offense makes personnel changes. If the offense keeps the same people on the field, then the ref won't slow things down. I assume the NFL is trying to avoid things like what Clemson did a few years ago (running 5 players on the field immediately with no huddle and then starting the play right away). I agree that it is an odd time to start enforcing the rule this way, but I can see the logic behind it.
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Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: The Black Hole
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Yep. Changing in midstream doesn't make any sense.
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
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I don't think they are changing though...at least fro mthe article I saw on NFL.com (similar to the one above) they were simply more strongly enforcing a rule that was already in place. Granted it still seems ridiculous.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/IND/9709478 "Dungy thought he understood the rule regarding no-huddle offenses until he sought an explanation from league officials this week. It was then Dungy found out there had apparently been a change. Dungy said he was told part of the wording -- giving the defense time to substitute -- had changed in the 1990s but that few knew of it. "
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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I thought this basic rule change happened after the Bengals-Bills playoof game where Levy kept having players fake injuries so that he could make substitutions.
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
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I'm guessing 'sufficient oppertunity' means a set number of seconds, and if the defense is lollygagging, he'll just let the offense go, saying the defense had a sufficient oppertunity to make substitutions, and they didn't use that oppertunity properly.
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: the yo'
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You aren't reading it right. Theoretically this situation applies when the offense would, say, send off a TE and a FB and bring in 2 WR. You can still take the same 11 to the line and snap it whenever you want. |
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2004
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I see nothing wrong with this from the standpoint of the rule change. The no commissioner probably decided after watching a couple teams exploit this. This bring in subs and hiking the ball immediately is like the guys that play Madden and try to guess the other person's play's from the screen.
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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This whole thing is going exactly like it did in the late 80s when the Bengals introduced this offense. If you remember, this was what happened and the rule was enforced to allow defenses time to sub in. Then in the playoffs, the Seahawks DT faked injury after EVERY 2nd down play to allow Seattle to get their subs in. It was shameful. That followed by the league basically telling Cincy they couldn't run that offense against the Bills in the AFC championship game.
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College Starter
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Beantown
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IMO this rule change is in line with the rule that you can't have more than 11 guys in the huddle anymore. I'm 100% ok with this rule. It won't effect the real 2 minute offense only the midgame hurry up.
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Bounty Hunter
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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If they're just enforcing a rule that's already in the books, I'm fine with it. I just feel that changing or adding a rule in midseason is just wrong.
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Pro Rookie
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: USA
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The clock shouldn't start until the defense has made these substitutions then. If they have to be allowed time, it shouldn't count against the offense. This is one of the few "clarifications" the league has made that I am totally against.
If the defense can't keep up with the offense, then you lose. Survival of the fittest and most prepared, IMO. Last edited by Tekneek : 10-07-2006 at 10:40 AM. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: NYC
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The only reason it's "counting against the offense" is because the offense made the substitution in the first place. If you don't want the clock to run, don't make the subs. The defense deserves the right to respond to a change that the offense makes. Last edited by Logan : 10-07-2006 at 01:27 PM. |
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n00b
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Noblesville, IN
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IMHO, today's NFL offenses and defenses have become so sophistaced that rather than figuring out what the rules say they can do they are looking for things that the rule book doesn't say they can't do. The quick substitution no huddle offense is not violating the rules at all. I don't think that the actions taken by the NFL is changing or adding any rules midseason, rather they are handling a situation that is not clearly addressed by the rules which certainly puts the defense at a disadvantage. And they are doing it using the rules that are in place right now, basically the play can not start until the official blows his whistle. There is a rule in American Softball Association's rule book that says something along the lines that the umpire has the last say on any ruling or play that is not specifically addressed in the rules that affects the integrity of the game and/or spirit of fair play. I definitely think the defense is a victim of their own doing in this situation, with sophisticated defensive sets and situational substitution, but that is what is required to keep up with the offense. Yet I have always liked the ASA's rule and I believe what the NFL is trying to do is keep the spirit of fair play and the integrity of the NFL game intact by addressing the situation the way they are. I would seriously think that it will be clearly handled in the off season.
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