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Join Date: Jan 2001
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Micro-loan pioneer and Bank win Nobel Peace Prize
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...rtner=homepage
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I guess it was a weak year for 'peace'. The guy is doing great work, but does it really make the world a more peaceful place? Then again, I'm not sure who else deserves it.
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lolzcat
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Annapolis, Md
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I could easily be persuaded that a society where people feel that they have opportunity would make a great difference in advancing peace in many parts of the world. If this effort furthers that sense, and it certainly sounds like it does or could, I have no problem with the award.
I see your point... but in times when some of the biggest concerns about global unrest are not about traditional organized government-on-government fighting but about factions, causes, and militants... this might actually be a well-timed message. |
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Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
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I don't know whether he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, but Yunus has made an incredible contribution to the third world. I saw an interview with him a couple of years ago and I was amazed at how a relatively small amount of money could be used to make such a difference in people's lives. I don't think its an exaggeration to say that Yunus is one of the most important people in the past century.
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I know the argument that people who have some more economic means may be less violent, but I think that's a far too optimistic view. Economic power is simply going to lead to people wondering about why they don't have social power and the violence will continue. And it isn't like microloans will make these people into a expanding middle class... it'll make them less poor, surely, but they'll still be part of the lower classes (though far better off than before).
Its a great thing he's doing, but I don't think he intended it to extend peace and I don't think it really is doing so. But perhaps it could be a 'message' prize (ie, give people you are oppressing an oppertunity and peace will flourish).
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To be fair, there aren't a whole lot of good candidates this year. It hasn't been a good year for peace.
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Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Burke, VA
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It's always easy to give the prize to some figurehead leader who has some token participation in a peace treaty or peace talks. It takes a real leader, and real effort, to put social justice to work, and this guy deserves the prize as much or more than any of the other recent winners. Weak year my ass, this guy is a real hero.
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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"". Is Yassar Arafat and Rabin can win the award, Grameen and its efforts at allowing people some hope is certainly deserving. |
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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Better for someone winning Peace that is making a real difference in people's lives than some false political peace that would be rendered moot in the near future.
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Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
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But I also believe that those taking a stand for peace in a hardship country (against tribal dictators, against opressive regimes, etc.) should win Peace as well. Burma comes to mind (if I remembered the correct country).
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That would be my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think that Yunis is doing some great stuff here and should be recognized. But this is a Nobel Peace Prize, not a do gooder prize. Peace prizes have been issued posthumoursly before (Dag Hammarskjold), so I think Pope John Paul II would have been a pretty good choice.
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SI Games
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Melbourne, FL
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I think its a worthy winner imho.
Most violence involves people who see no other option than violence for obtaining whatever end they want. This 'end' is often at least partially economic in nature and aimed at obtaining goods or power, thus by enabling people to have more control over their lives and the chance to improve their situation through honest hardwork he has cut-down on the chance of people choosing a violent solution to their situation. (at least thats my take) |
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College Prospect
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Peace is not found written in the words of a piece of paper signed by two politicians, it is in going to sleep at night without dread of tommorrow.
Peace of mind creates peace among people, for less money than we spend on any number of insignificant things you can create a valuable resource for someone in poverty that will allow themselves to push their way out on their own. This is not a handout, this is a BUSINESS force, it doesn't depend on the generosity of people, there are economics behind this that shows it is a viable, profitable activity. More banks should try to understand what is going on here, indeed, I would rather all the aid money we give to nations with corrupt leaders have gone to programs like this which allow large numbers of individuals to pull themselves out of the hole. Think of what something like this could do in the United States, for instance, instead of extending billions in credit to large hedge funds for wealthy billionaires that need multi-billion dollar bail outs from the federal government when they screw up the economy... come up with some social/economic mechanism like this which will yield high repayment, low interest options to lower and middle class people (and hell those in the huge bottom portion of the 'upper class' that don't have billions but a good business possibility). We would probably see a lot more real economic growth, instead of just watching the Dow fluctuate which really only concerns wealthy speculators in terms of the bottom line. We are in an age of stock option scoundrels at the high-end of the business community, it would be nice to provide more entry for the bottom to give that established aristocracy some competition. |
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But I don't see many Bangladeshis (or at least not the people who are getting these loans) as doing much violence .I'd rather see the prize go to those that directly impact peace (which would also fit with the description of the award in Nobel's will), or else we may soon see Mosanto win a Nobel Peace Prize for GM food having the ability to decrease world hunger with its great yields .
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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"poor people around the world, especially women, have been able to buy cows, a few chickens or the cell phone they desperately needed to get ahead."
What a range of examples. |
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Do you think Bill Gates and his wife will win it then sometime in his life?
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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In developing countries, land-line infrastructure tends to be terribly incomplete, especially in rural areas. Cell-phones in many of these countries are seen as a way to "bridge the gap" in terms of bringing telephone service to underserved rural areas. |
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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Cell phones play a very different role in the developing world than they do in the U.S. where they are more of a luxury than a necessity. Countries, such as Bangladesh, lack landlines so most people do not have any phone service. When starting from scratch, a cell system is much cheaper to build. Therefore, cell phones in the developing world are a basic necessity for building a business. |
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Wow, this actually does sound like a great winner.
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Thanks for the explanation about the cell phones.
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Well, that pretty much sums up the first thing that crossed my mind when reading the article. Like you, I'm just not really seeing the peace angle of this being significant enough to warrant the award.
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TX
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better than the winner of last year or a year before. the lady that went around planting trees in Africa
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