Questionable AI move

orton1227 · 11-15-2006, 01:32 PM

Facing 4th and 8 at my 9 yard line, Indy decides to kick the FG, which is good. But then, I'm flagged for roughing the kicker 15 yard variety, and Indy declines it. They would have had 1st and goal at the 4 had they accepted it. I guess they were happy just getting 3 points.

stevew · 11-15-2006, 01:40 PM

A lot of times coaches don't like to take points back off of the board. Knowing the situation in the game, which quarter, what the score was, etc would be a bit more helpful. Granted, I would assume that every coach not named Bill Cowher would try to punch it in from the 4.

MizzouRah · 11-15-2006, 01:55 PM

Yep, I think almost every coach would have accepted that penalty unless it didn't matter (you were up by a wide margin late in the game or something like that).

NoMyths · 11-15-2006, 02:14 PM

I've reported these kinds of penalty-decline problems as well. Was this from the pre-patch version of FOF2k7, or 6.0a?

orton1227 · 11-15-2006, 02:51 PM

it's 6.0a

cartman · 11-15-2006, 02:55 PM

With anything related to AI, individual cases can be pointed out as mind-numbingly stupid. To get a better grasp, we'd need a lot more instances of this situation, and see how many times the penalty was accepted and how many time is was declined. If it's declined 2 or 3 times out of 100, that is much different than 30 times out of 100. 1 time out of 1 time doesn't tell us much.

orton1227 · 11-15-2006, 03:24 PM

I'd understand that in most instances of AI decisions, but this one's obvious. Every coach in the world would accept that penalty.

Passacaglia · 11-15-2006, 03:32 PM

Maybe Kyle Orton was their QB and they didn't want to risk an INT.

cartman · 11-15-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by orton1227

I'd understand that in most instances of AI decisions, but this one's obvious. Every coach in the world would accept that penalty.

Not necessarily. Some coaches never take sure points off the board. Especially if it makes it a two score game. Some coaches would be just as happy with a sure 17-7 lead than a chance at a 21-7 lead, if there was a remote chance the score would remain 14-7. That's why you can't say that the penalty would be accepted 100% of the time.

orton1227 · 11-15-2006, 03:40 PM

Well this was in the 1Q, on Indy's first possession. It made the game 3-0. No coach would refuse that penalty. Sorry for not clarifying earlier.

jbmagic · 11-15-2006, 08:09 PM

Have you guys ever seen the AI go for Two-point conversion?

KWhit · 11-15-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmagic

Have you guys ever seen the AI go for Two-point conversion?

Yes. Quite often.

VPI97 · 11-15-2006, 08:17 PM

I'm betting the AI didn't factor in the automatic first down.

cartman · 11-15-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

I'm betting the AI didn't factor in the automatic first down.

That just might be it. The AI is calculating that half the distance is 4 yards, which is still short of a 1st down. It takes the points, instead of kicking a bit closer.

11-15-2006, 02:55 PM	#6
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	With anything related to AI, individual cases can be pointed out as mind-numbingly stupid. To get a better grasp, we'd need a lot more instances of this situation, and see how many times the penalty was accepted and how many time is was declined. If it's declined 2 or 3 times out of 100, that is much different than 30 times out of 100. 1 time out of 1 time doesn't tell us much. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

11-15-2006, 03:32 PM	#8
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Maybe Kyle Orton was their QB and they didn't want to risk an INT. __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

11-15-2006, 08:17 PM	#13
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	I'm betting the AI didn't factor in the automatic first down. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

11-15-2006, 01:40 PM	#2
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	A lot of times coaches don't like to take points back off of the board. Knowing the situation in the game, which quarter, what the score was, etc would be a bit more helpful. Granted, I would assume that every coach not named Bill Cowher would try to punch it in from the 4.

11-15-2006, 01:55 PM	#3
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Yep, I think almost every coach would have accepted that penalty unless it didn't matter (you were up by a wide margin late in the game or something like that).

11-15-2006, 02:14 PM	#4
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	I've reported these kinds of penalty-decline problems as well. Was this from the pre-patch version of FOF2k7, or 6.0a?

11-15-2006, 02:51 PM	#5
orton1227 n00b Join Date: Nov 2006	it's 6.0a

11-15-2006, 03:24 PM	#7
orton1227 n00b Join Date: Nov 2006	I'd understand that in most instances of AI decisions, but this one's obvious. Every coach in the world would accept that penalty.

11-15-2006, 03:40 PM	#10
orton1227 n00b Join Date: Nov 2006	Well this was in the 1Q, on Indy's first possession. It made the game 3-0. No coach would refuse that penalty. Sorry for not clarifying earlier.

11-15-2006, 08:09 PM	#11
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	Have you guys ever seen the AI go for Two-point conversion?

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