QBs

Hammer · 11-23-2006, 03:15 PM

What are the 3 most important bars when looking at a QB prospect in FOF 2007?

What do you not care about?

Cheers

AlexB · 11-23-2006, 03:27 PM

I honestly don't know if this is the right way, but I prefer a guy with the 'intangibles' and average-low passing skills than the other way round.

So I look for 3rd down passing, read defense, sense rush, two minute offence, avoid interceptions first, and accuracy first, then timing & the passing skills. The only reason I'm not as fussed by timing is I'm not sure what it actually does, and I think I've noticed a lot of the great FOF QBs seem to be low in this category...

Kick holding & scramble frequency are the only ones I really don't care about for a starting QB.

VPI97 · 11-23-2006, 03:28 PM

I always look at Accuracy & Read Defense....the third used to be Avoid Interceptions.

Sef0r · 11-23-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VPI97

I always look at Accuracy & Read Defense....the third used to be Avoid Interceptions.

Has anything happened to your QBs that make you think Avoid Interceptions may not be as important now? Just curious as I also look for Acc and Read first and foremost.

Vinatieri for Prez · 11-23-2006, 04:44 PM

It's no longer a rating on the player card. It's a hidden rating so you are left with looking at stats only on the QB's proclivity to throw picks.

Ben E Lou · 11-23-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sef0r

Has anything happened to your QBs that make you think Avoid Interceptions may not be as important now?

Nothing happened to his QB's; something happened to the game. That rating is now hidden.

Eaglesfan27 · 11-23-2006, 07:18 PM

With no hard research, I highly value Accuracy, Timing, and Read Defense. Everything else is secondary.

DolphinFan1 · 11-23-2006, 09:01 PM

And you might want to add an intellegent QB to learn more formations quicker. Just a thought.

sabotai · 11-23-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

With no hard research, I highly value Accuracy, Timing, and Read Defense. Everything else is secondary.

Same with me, except I put Sense Rush, Third Down Passing and Two-Minute Offense as secondary, the "Passes" are tertiary.

MIJB#19 · 11-24-2006, 05:56 AM

I used to look at avoid int's most. From here on, it will be the second tier (3rd downs, accuracy, 2 mins offense) and third tier (read defense, timing, sense rush).

Narcizo · 11-24-2006, 06:04 AM

I used to rank Avoid Interceptions then Medium and Long and then sense rush. But that's because FOF2004 is geared towards long passing offences.

I could care less about Accuracy and Timing and next to no interest in short and screens. 3rd Down is nice and all but it isn't a huge deal for deep passing teams.

I've no feel for what to look for in 2007 but short passing still doesn't seem fantastically successful so I still don't real look at accuracy or screen and short passing. To be honest I tend to look at the overall rating and base my evaluation far more than I should on that.

Leonidas · 11-24-2006, 07:30 AM

Accuracy, intelligence (I think a diverse offense needs at least 13 formations), then a toss up between read defense and sense rush. I've had guys who seemed to be total passing studs but who couldn't sense the rush well and were just duds with 60 sacks a year.

bselig · 11-27-2006, 04:53 PM

Based on a guy in my current career, I'm liking read defense and timing. Check this guy out:

And his stats:

I've only played about 20 seasons and am not as rigorous as most people here, but this guy is a huge scrub ratings-wise(not even good enough to start elsewhere) and he was able to put up consecutive 115+ QB rating seasons with basically just those talents and short pass, with my offense not really being short-pass centric.

Joker · 11-27-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bselig

Based on a guy in my current career, I'm liking read defense and timing. Check this guy out:

And his stats:

I've only played about 20 seasons and am not as rigorous as most people here, but this guy is a huge scrub ratings-wise(not even good enough to start elsewhere) and he was able to put up consecutive 115+ QB rating seasons with basically just those talents and short pass, with my offense not really being short-pass centric.

MICROSCOPE ....please! He looks very mature as per the red bars!

cartman · 11-27-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JOKER

MICROSCOPE ....please! He looks very mature as per the red bars!

You can click on the pix to make them bigger.

Joker · 11-27-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

You can click on the pix to make them bigger.

wow I need alot of help...thanks.

M GO BLUE!!! · 11-27-2006, 11:42 PM

So... After two extremely impressive seasons in Pittsburgh he signs a nice four year contract with the Bengals for over $10 mil per, and then is the backup?

JMO · 11-28-2006, 12:47 AM

Did you go control Pittsburgh? If so why did you let him go? He had fantastic stats.

bselig · 11-28-2006, 07:18 AM

Mainly because the guy didn't have very good ratings and I figured my system would be fine with anyone. It took me a while before I could get a guy around 10 YPA again though

Warhammer · 11-28-2006, 09:27 PM

I've always liked timing, read defense, and sense rush. I've always preferred good intangible guys over guys with the golden arm. But, I have come around a bit, based upon the type of offense I want to run.

It seems to me that timing has to do with a guy getting open and getting the ball to him at the right time. So I always assumed that there was a skill roll a defensive player had to make to stick with his man. If he failed and the QB had a good timing roll, he would have a chance to get the ball to the receiver.

Accuracy is good too, but you need receivers with good "getting downfield" to maximize it. That said, I had a game in FOF2k4 where my receivers went for over 20+YAC on at least two different plays which is nice. Who said screens can't work in FOF?

JeffW · 11-28-2006, 10:45 PM

If you have to look for arbitrage opportunities at the QB position, your team is likely in trouble anyway. Rarely do we have the luxury of choosing between multiple adequate QBs with different skills, esp. in MP.

willem · 11-28-2006, 10:56 PM

Maybe this is common knowledge, but the sense rush rating is vitally important to offenses that depend heavily on the deep ball. Countless times I've been able to completely shutout these types of quartbacks with a heavy pass-rush.

strickzilla · 03-27-2011, 10:45 PM

bump, just wondering in the new fof how true this still is

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Originally Posted by willem

Maybe this is common knowledge, but the sense rush rating is vitally important to offenses that depend heavily on the deep ball. Countless times I've been able to completely shutout these types of quartbacks with a heavy pass-rush.

MIJB#19 · 03-28-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I used to look at avoid int's most. From here on, it will be the second tier (3rd downs, accuracy, 2 mins offense) and third tier (read defense, timing, sense rush).

Liar!

It turns out these days I'm focussing on the Solecismic test vs intelligence check first, on sense rush second.

garion333 · 03-28-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19

It turns out these days I'm focussing on the Solecismic test vs intelligence check first, on sense rush second.

Yup, exactly how I do it. Want to find out about avoiding interceptions and then sense rush, which is still very important.

11-23-2006, 03:27 PM	#2
AlexB Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Newbury, England	I honestly don't know if this is the right way, but I prefer a guy with the 'intangibles' and average-low passing skills than the other way round. So I look for 3rd down passing, read defense, sense rush, two minute offence, avoid interceptions first, and accuracy first, then timing & the passing skills. The only reason I'm not as fussed by timing is I'm not sure what it actually does, and I think I've noticed a lot of the great FOF QBs seem to be low in this category... Kick holding & scramble frequency are the only ones I really don't care about for a starting QB. __________________ 'A song is a beautiful lie', Idlewild, Self Healer. When you're smiling, the whole world smiles with you. Sports!

11-23-2006, 03:28 PM	#3
VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	I always look at Accuracy & Read Defense....the third used to be Avoid Interceptions. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

11-23-2006, 07:18 PM	#7
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	With no hard research, I highly value Accuracy, Timing, and Read Defense. Everything else is secondary. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

11-23-2006, 09:01 PM	#8
DolphinFan1 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Connecticut	And you might want to add an intellegent QB to learn more formations quicker. Just a thought. __________________ GM of the Milwaukee Muscle Men of the ZFL. The 1st team in ZFL history to have a perfect losing season. I am on a quest to show that the Dolphins can win the Super Bowl. Or should I say Front Office Bowl, with FOF2K7. The revival of an old favorite, FOFC Wrestling Dynasty

11-24-2006, 05:56 AM	#10
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	I used to look at avoid int's most. From here on, it will be the second tier (3rd downs, accuracy, 2 mins offense) and third tier (read defense, timing, sense rush). __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

11-23-2006, 04:44 PM	#5
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	It's no longer a rating on the player card. It's a hidden rating so you are left with looking at stats only on the QB's proclivity to throw picks.

11-24-2006, 06:04 AM	#11
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	I used to rank Avoid Interceptions then Medium and Long and then sense rush. But that's because FOF2004 is geared towards long passing offences. I could care less about Accuracy and Timing and next to no interest in short and screens. 3rd Down is nice and all but it isn't a huge deal for deep passing teams. I've no feel for what to look for in 2007 but short passing still doesn't seem fantastically successful so I still don't real look at accuracy or screen and short passing. To be honest I tend to look at the overall rating and base my evaluation far more than I should on that.

11-24-2006, 07:30 AM	#12
Leonidas College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: East Anglia	Accuracy, intelligence (I think a diverse offense needs at least 13 formations), then a toss up between read defense and sense rush. I've had guys who seemed to be total passing studs but who couldn't sense the rush well and were just duds with 60 sacks a year. __________________ Molon labe

11-27-2006, 04:53 PM	#13
bselig n00b Join Date: May 2005	Based on a guy in my current career, I'm liking read defense and timing. Check this guy out: And his stats: I've only played about 20 seasons and am not as rigorous as most people here, but this guy is a huge scrub ratings-wise(not even good enough to start elsewhere) and he was able to put up consecutive 115+ QB rating seasons with basically just those talents and short pass, with my offense not really being short-pass centric.

11-27-2006, 11:42 PM	#17
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	So... After two extremely impressive seasons in Pittsburgh he signs a nice four year contract with the Bengals for over $10 mil per, and then is the backup?

11-28-2006, 12:47 AM	#18
JMO Mascot Join Date: Nov 2006	Did you go control Pittsburgh? If so why did you let him go? He had fantastic stats.

11-28-2006, 07:18 AM	#19
bselig n00b Join Date: May 2005	Mainly because the guy didn't have very good ratings and I figured my system would be fine with anyone. It took me a while before I could get a guy around 10 YPA again though

11-28-2006, 09:27 PM	#20
Warhammer Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dayton, OH	I've always liked timing, read defense, and sense rush. I've always preferred good intangible guys over guys with the golden arm. But, I have come around a bit, based upon the type of offense I want to run. It seems to me that timing has to do with a guy getting open and getting the ball to him at the right time. So I always assumed that there was a skill roll a defensive player had to make to stick with his man. If he failed and the QB had a good timing roll, he would have a chance to get the ball to the receiver. Accuracy is good too, but you need receivers with good "getting downfield" to maximize it. That said, I had a game in FOF2k4 where my receivers went for over 20+YAC on at least two different plays which is nice. Who said screens can't work in FOF?

11-28-2006, 10:45 PM	#21
JeffW High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2005	If you have to look for arbitrage opportunities at the QB position, your team is likely in trouble anyway. Rarely do we have the luxury of choosing between multiple adequate QBs with different skills, esp. in MP.

11-28-2006, 10:56 PM	#22
willem n00b Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Del Mar, CA	Maybe this is common knowledge, but the sense rush rating is vitally important to offenses that depend heavily on the deep ball. Countless times I've been able to completely shutout these types of quartbacks with a heavy pass-rush.

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