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Two more college coaches on the firing line
Dirk Kotter out
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2676742 Chuck Amato out http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2676855
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11-26-2006, 08:12 PM
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With miami, NC State, ASU, and a few other major conference teams in the hunt likely, this could be a very interesting off-season for coaches.
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11-26-2006, 08:18 PM
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After what Koetter did to Sam Keller, I think this is absolutely hilarious. All the bad fallout from that move should hopefully stop him from getting another job for quite a while as well... perfect
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11-26-2006, 08:39 PM
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Chuckie The Chest Red Shoes Amato...
Thank God I will not have to hear his voice anymore... Wonder if he replaces Jeff Bowden |
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11-26-2006, 09:21 PM
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11-26-2006, 09:28 PM
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11-26-2006, 09:29 PM
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Heh heh heh. Thanks, I missed that the first time around.
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11-26-2006, 09:38 PM
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The one for recently fired UNC coach John Bunting is the funniest: Miami Twice |
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11-26-2006, 09:58 PM
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Actually, he is known as a good defensive coach that stinks with offense (except the fluke finding of Phillip Rivers). He was a DL and LB coach for like 20 years at Florida State before he got the NC State gig. Mark Richt was the offensive coordinator for Florida State when they were very good. He coached Ward and Weinke when they won their Heismans. |
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11-26-2006, 10:00 PM
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It would be interesting if Arizona State went after Amato (although there is no real reason to think they will), considering that they just took NC State's basketball coach.
Jim Donnan might be an interesting choice for NC State. He is an alum there and was born nearby. I'm not sure why he got the boot from Georgia, but I don't think it was because of anything improper. |
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11-26-2006, 10:05 PM
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Uhhhh... He was quite obviously talking about Koetter.. hell, it's in the quote he's refering to!!  And yes, I think Koetter will get an O-Coord job too, but after what he did to Keller (and how dumb was that), he shouldn't.
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11-26-2006, 10:06 PM
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Donnan is still deeply in bed with UGA.
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11-26-2006, 10:09 PM
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Whoops... my bad, Matt. I got up too early today--sorry. I don't know a lot about Koetter's background, but I agree on blowing the Keller/Carpenter thing. He was fairly well set for the next several seasons and building off of a pretty good 2005 season and totally butchered that situation. If I'm not mistaken, he had just gotten a pretty nice contract extension, as well. |
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11-26-2006, 10:12 PM
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I think it's painfully obvious now that Amato's early success at N. C. State was due to Phillip Rivers and offensive coordinator Norm Chow. Although it's still mind boggling that Amato did as poorly as he did in 2004 and 2005 with all of those high NFL draft picks on the roster. |
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11-26-2006, 10:56 PM
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it is tough to see these guys fired but that's life in coaching. the top names i see are
Mariucci MSU Peterson- boise St ASU Kragthorpe- tulsa Miami Solich- Ex-Nebraska and has done a great job at Ohio U. unfortunately i don't think he will move up but i am glad to see how well he has done. the defensive coordinator at michigan is also a hot item. i think his name is Ron English. supposed to be great coach and recruiter. This could be the guy for NC State. Surprisingly i have been talking to someone who is somewhat familiar with Miami and the more i hear i am thinking it is not the prime job that you would think. They have financial problems and the facilities are definitely sub par. That's why i don't think guys like Schiano, Richt are going to be interested in the job. but guys like Kragthorpe will jump at the opportunity. |
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11-26-2006, 10:59 PM
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I would love to have Dirk replace Craig Ver Steg this offseason.
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11-26-2006, 11:00 PM
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11-26-2006, 11:04 PM
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Dantonio is a good coach. I think Michigan State is a tough job, though.
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11-26-2006, 11:09 PM
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11-27-2006, 12:04 AM
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No way in my mind does ASU go back to boise st for a coach after they got koetter there. He was the HC at boise when peterson was the QB coach and the new colorado coach was the OC. I just dont believe they go back to boise for a new coach, whatever his credentials may be.
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11-27-2006, 01:14 AM
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Mike Shula out at Alabama too apparently, according to the scout site.
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11-27-2006, 04:27 AM
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i am really surprised that MSU apparently was not interested in Mariucci. i am assuming that he wants back in as a college coach. i have followed him closely at both Cal and the 49ers and i think he would be a great fit for a college program. i think you have to discount his time in Detroit. when Jim Mora Sr. referred to Michael Vick as a "coach killer" i think he was confused. he was actually referring to Matt Millen.
I really disagree on Peterson at ASU. i don't think the fact that he comes from Boise St. will have anything to do with ASU. They will hire the best coach and most people seem to think that all along Peterson was the offensive genius at Boise. But ASU should be a school that a lot of people would be interested in. i read recently that Phoenix was becoming a real breeding ground for High School athletes. |
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11-27-2006, 05:26 AM
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Who would have thought that Sylvester Croon would be at Miss. State longer than Mike Shula would be at Alabama?
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11-27-2006, 05:41 AM
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11-27-2006, 07:06 AM
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11-27-2006, 07:12 AM
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He didn't find Philip Rivers, Mike O'Cain did. Rivers didn't leave when O'Cain got the boot, going out the same way losing to UNC and ECU. I love the Skip Holtz talk for the NC State job. That guy left UConn in shambles when he ran off to South Carolina with his father. Last edited by lynchjm24 : 11-27-2006 at 07:12 AM. |
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11-27-2006, 07:19 AM
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At least there probably won't be as much Mike Price leaving talk after our horrible season...
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11-27-2006, 09:55 AM
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Yeah, Croom got an unwritten guarantee when he accepted that crappy job that he could hang around a while. He had a good thing going in the NFL, it wasn't like he HAD to come to college like Weis, who desperately wanted to be a head coach. Croom wanted to be a head coach, but..I think would've just kept doing what he was doing longer, if they didn't give him what he wanted. That said, his beating Shula's squad couldn't have helped things |
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11-27-2006, 10:19 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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Not completely true. Brad Scott was the OC for FSU for 4 years through the 1993 championship season. I think he went on to fail as head coach at South Carolina and is now OC for Clemson. My friends back in Tally are saying that the Spurrier-to-Alabama rumors are getting pretty loud. And FSU plays Alabama next year, too. 
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11-27-2006, 10:32 AM
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I really, really wanted Brian Kelly as the Spartans new head coach.
I know absolutely nothing about this Dantonio guy. Yet another generic coach to screw things up for three or four years. He'll be fired by 2009, and will leave as a broken man. What kind of coach is he? What kind of offense and defense does he run? |
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11-27-2006, 10:36 AM
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Word in Austin is that Gene Chizik will be announced as the new Cyclones coach today.
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11-27-2006, 10:37 AM
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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I don't know much about him or the Cincy program other than they seem to be middle-of-the-pack with a solid defense. They're the kind of team that wins 6-8 games a year and never really contends for anything, but seems to cause occasional problems for better programs.
That's my uninformed view of the program.
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11-27-2006, 10:42 AM
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11-27-2006, 11:27 AM
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Dantonio is a defensive coach and was the D-coordinator at OSU when they won they national championship a few years ago.
Cincinnati was a very physical team on both sides of the ball. Not sure if they'll run the same offense at MSU, but they used the TEs a lot at Cincy and running the ball was the priority. It was sort of like BC's offense. He was really only the coach at Cincinnati for like 3 years, so it's hard to judge, but the program definitely seemed to be headed in the right direction. I will say this - he is the opposite of John L. Smith in a lot of ways. |
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11-27-2006, 11:27 AM
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No Brad Scott was fired as OC of Clemson after the 02 season, then rehired as Oline coach and recruiting specialist. Mike Ocain was the Clemson OC for the 03 and 04 season when he was fired (now QB coach for VT) and replaced with Rob "the mad scientist" Spence from Toledo. Now Brad Scott has the dubious "assistant head coach" added to his title... Point being he has been an utter flop since leaving FSU. I think their Offesne has pretty much sucked since everyone else figured out the spread attack. Everyone seems to know how to stop it except BB... Also Spurrier said last week that the SC job would be his last head coaching job...we will see. But Bama is certainly a better job than Miami... |
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11-27-2006, 11:36 AM
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Cincinatti was definitely on the way up, and Dantonio was something of a rising star. I think it's a good catch for Sparty.
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11-27-2006, 11:41 AM
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Hard to tell how good of a job Dantonio was doing in 3 years at Cincy. His recruits were only sophomores, so the real test will come in another year or two... and he won't be there to see it.
I think he'll do a decent job at MSU, but if they're looking for 11-1/10-2 every year, they can probably forget it.
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This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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When I googled it I made the mistake of looking at his scouts.com profile...from 2003. D'oh! I knew he hadn't done much of anything since he left FSU, though. Sad that he had to shoot down rumors of going back to FSU as OC. I think (hope) FSU can do better.
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11-27-2006, 11:54 AM
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[quote=bhlloy;1317004]After what Koetter did to Sam Keller, I think this is absolutely hilarious. All the bad fallout from that move should hopefully stop him from getting another job for quite a while as well... perfect[/QUOTE}
I know everyone likes to think that it was Dirk's fault w/ Sam, but it wasn't, Dirk fell on the sword big time for him on this and it partly cost him his job. ASU is strongly looking at Ron English (DC at Michigan) and Dave McGinnis who will bring in Norm Chow as OC. |
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11-27-2006, 12:29 PM
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ISU named TX DC Gene Chizik there new coach (or they will)
teams need to act fast now to fill the HC spot http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_...v=ap&type=lgns |
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[quote=SnDvls;1317451]
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Why would Chow leave the NFL if not for a HC job? Supposedly Chow is a hot commodity for the NCSU job, and all these delusional wolfpack I work with keep insisting that Cowher will leave Pitt to come to Raleigh? WTF? just because his daughter is a student and just because he bought a $500,000 house outside Raleigh doesnt mean he is moving....Really 500k to Cowher is like me buying a $40 tent at Dick's |
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11-27-2006, 03:46 PM
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I don't doubt Cowher would move to NC since that's been long rumored, but the question is does he want to stay home with the family or immediately jump into recruiting and basically working as hard as he is right now?
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Cowher has a job for life there..or at least, for another decade if he wants it. I don't see why he'd give that up to work as hard as Wanny is in Pitt, with all the fickleness and the crapshoot that can often be the college game.
Seriously, Pete Carroll has done a great job at USC, but can you name 20 other coaches that could've done that with the sort of talent he's recruiting? Shoot, he's selling LA to these kids in a post-NFL era in that city when that team really is their big time football team.
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[quote=CU Tiger;1317629]
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Chow is conceited at times and moving from BYU to USC didn't help matters much because he was able to pocket a NC with USC. However he has been humbled in Tennessee, but Vince Young at the helm might help things out a bit. I see them giving Fisher and the gang one more year, but I do know Norm and he would leave only if 1) It was a HC job and 2) He would be getting the same if not better salary than what he has currently.
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The average NFL coach averages 15 hour work days, college more like 6... Jimmie Johnson has told everyone who will listen for a decade, do not leave NCAA for NFL its too much work... I don't think Cowher will go to NCSU just think it is appealing to many NFL coaches. |
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11-27-2006, 09:07 PM
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I am a pretty big Steelers fan and I feel about 95% sure that Cowher will retire from Pittsburgh at the end of the season. He has shown no real interest in extending his contract, which he and the Rooneys have always done when it gets down to two years. Some folks are saying that the Rooneys have offered him $6.5M and he still hasn't shown any inclination to resign.
I think Cowher would coach NC State, but I think this is bad timing on their part. I really doubt he will coach anywhere next season, as it is pretty evident that he is burnt out and needs time to recharge. I thought NC State may hold onto Amato for another year to give Cowher a shot. |
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11-27-2006, 09:10 PM
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While I have no good feelings towards Dantonio right now (if his team didn't come out so well-prepared and fired up for the Rutgers game, we would have clinched a BCS game by now), we recognize that the Big East just lost an excellent young coach who could have completed the transformation of that program. The BE has had some excellent coaches this season, and keeping them is important to continue to build credibility across the country. We only have 8 teams, and 4 coaches have had major interest from other big schools...obviously Schiano and Rodriguez, and now Leavitt has been rumored to be considered for the Miami job, and Dantonio is gone to the Big 10. Not too bad. |
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11-27-2006, 09:12 PM
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Don't forget the constantly flirting Bobby Petrino. It sounds like he will be in the mix for Alabama. It is interesting that this will be the second straight season where no Big East coach will be fired. Next year, I suspect Gregg Robinson and Dave Wanstedt will have a little bit of heat on them, but I still doubt that they will be in major danger. |
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