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PilotMan · 12-24-2006, 06:30 AM

A friend of mine turned me onto this new, and pretty deep online soccer manager. For now it is free. I have been playing it for a couple of days and I must say that the depth of it is impressive. It certainly has a feel much more like that of FM than anything else that I have played online. It is in it's first full season since coming out of beta. It can be found here:

http://www.itsagoal.com/

Unfortunately. you don't get to pick your division, and all the teams are pretty much even, no matter what level you are at. So this is a groundfloor opportunity. Enjoy.

TonyR · 12-25-2006, 02:18 AM

What team are you PM ?

bbor · 12-25-2006, 02:22 AM

I've been playing for about a month.Tornado div2...team name the Fog

daedalus · 12-25-2006, 02:39 AM

Neon League, D8. Standard name for me, Calibiri.

PilotMan · 12-25-2006, 05:36 AM

I am in Trapdoor, DII, Fargo 1871. I won my second game last night. Woohoo!

Poli · 12-25-2006, 07:44 AM

My plate's full, fellas. I'm not sure you'll see the Puke Green Socks there.

kingfc22 · 12-25-2006, 02:25 PM

Going to give this a try.

kingfc22 · 12-25-2006, 02:32 PM

Wow. This game does look very deep.

Definately going to have to read the rules.

Cannon League - Div 3 - Royal Knights FC

FrogMan · 12-25-2006, 07:25 PM

I have tried a few other, sokker being the most recent, but never stuck anywhere, in fact I usually rarely log in a second time after getting a team. I must admit that I'm intrigued by this one and with the long holiday break, I might be tempted to learn how to play it. Signed up as Cerio Dragons FC in the Anubis league, Division 2.

FM

FrogMan · 12-25-2006, 07:29 PM

dola, just realized that the team plays its first league match in about 90 minutes

I like how you can set up your time zone in your preference, so now I don't always have to adjust for the swedish time...

FM

TonyR · 12-26-2006, 12:46 AM

I'm Kingsville AC in Aristotle League D VII.
Currently 1W-0L-1D.

BillyNYC · 12-26-2006, 02:19 AM

OK I'm in. No idea if I'll stick with it though.

Shaolin Landfills, cyclone league, D6

Looks like my leadest scorer's contract expires in 5 days and my starting keeper in 2 days. Good time for me to take over?

kingfc22 · 12-26-2006, 02:27 AM

Got a nice 3-2 victory on the road in my first match.

PilotMan · 12-26-2006, 08:26 AM

We fell in our game last night 2-0. Our first loss.

FrogMan · 12-26-2006, 08:28 AM

hrm, our first was eerily similar to some FM games of the past. Dominated with 68% possession yet was unable to score and drew 0-0... lotsa learning to do I guess...

FM

Oilers9911 · 12-26-2006, 09:52 AM

Warpigs FC are in the Discus League Championship (though not for long probably).

Two players have expiring contracts. 25 year old DM Neci Puskas and 34 year old DM Douglas Munro. I have requested a negotiation with Puskas but I will let Munro walk. Munro is the current starter but Puskas is cheaper and has more potential so he will be taking over the position.

KevinNU7 · 12-26-2006, 10:44 AM

How is the economy in this game?

Oilers9911 · 12-26-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinNU7

How is the economy in this game?

I only signed up today so I cant really comment, maybe one of the "veterans" can comment.

FrogMan · 12-26-2006, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7

How is the economy in this game?

I have no clue and I'm not sure the kind of information you are looking for (like "is it as bad as HT?") can be found with the game being so young, like it's anybody's guess how any team will be able to survive financially in the long run. One thing I know is that I increased my ticket price from 12 to 13 before yesterday's game and still had a sell out of 5000 for the game. Decided to hike the price one more, we'll see how that goes.

FM

bbor · 12-26-2006, 12:46 PM

One part of the economy i don't like is that player "negotiation" is not really negotiation......i have not been able to move off of what a player requests and still sign the player.

Flasch186 · 12-26-2006, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbor

One part of the economy i don't like is that player "negotiation" is not really negotiation......i have not been able to move off of what a player requests and still sign the player.

sounds disappointingly familiar to some other great game I have.

mrkilla22 · 12-26-2006, 02:40 PM

Crazydoods are in the Eros league in the Championship division.

Brillig · 12-26-2006, 07:03 PM

Hmm, the new Slithy Toves are surfing the basement, division 7 of the Axe league.

kingfc22 · 12-26-2006, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

One thing I know is that I increased my ticket price from 12 to 13 before yesterday's game and still had a sell out of 5000 for the game. Decided to hike the price one more, we'll see how that goes.

FM

This was one of the first things that I did as well.

Brillig · 12-26-2006, 07:48 PM

Where the heck are the freaking rules? All I found was some scattershot FAQs...

daedalus · 12-27-2006, 01:35 AM

So, uhh, can anybody come up with a reason as to why I am banned from making transfer until January 15?

kingfc22 · 12-27-2006, 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daedalus

So, uhh, can anybody come up with a reason as to why I am banned from making transfer until January 15?

I think everyone is.

TonyR · 12-27-2006, 03:17 AM

Mine is only until the 14th. I guess they don't want anyone to make a tranfer a manager is in a certain time in the game.

I was able to get a player to go below his asking contract only on percentage increase and appearance fee, but I offered a slightly bigger signing bonus.

FrogMan · 12-27-2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daedalus

So, uhh, can anybody come up with a reason as to why I am banned from making transfer until January 15?

because they want you to wait at least two weeks before you can jack your roster to your usual 50

FM

PilotMan · 12-27-2006, 07:50 AM

I think the idea is that you get the feel for the rest of your roster before you screw with it beyond repair. Similar to what FM said.

fantastic flying froggies · 12-27-2006, 08:20 AM

Well, I just signed up.

Flying Froggies FC in Fortress league, div 4.

I must admit I have no idea what I should be doing...

Brillig · 12-27-2006, 08:33 AM

This is what I've gleaned so far:

Money is very short to start with. Try increasing your ticket prices a dollar (euro?) at a time to keep revenues increasing while keeping crowd growth up.

I'm finding it unlikely that I can keep my whole team at the current economy level. Most players are looking for substantial increases in salary that I can't afford right now. Unfortunately, it would be even harder to resign them later. I've resigned myself to writing off a bunch of my current players when their contracts expire. [Apparently, resigning all of your contracts on day one before they started training was a good idea. It's too late for that for me.]

Find the players with "match highest wage" contracts. Renegotiate them, they'll kill you.

I don't know whether this is because my team had a prior owner or not, but I started with a youth coach and scout, so I'm looking for new youth players now. Hopefully, even with a hefty charge for signing youth players, I can lock them up in cheap 5 season contracts and build from there.

Match orders seem pretty self explanatory. Dunno what affects what though.

That's all I know for now, and it's quite possibly all completely wrong

One more thing - if you go to the Manager button at the top, it gives you a To Do list of things that the system thinks you need to address. It may not start working til day 2 though.

Brillig · 12-27-2006, 11:21 AM

In the interest of broadening the knowledge base, even if it makes me look like an idiot.

I thought there was no way I could resign my boys, especially given the trend mentioned in the thread. Instead, I may have locked myself into mediocrity for the next five years. That said, this may help some folks out. Here's a list of the renegotiations with all my players.

Legend:

(nn) is player Loyalty.
Len = length of contract in seasons
Sal = Salary in K
Mat = Match bonus in K
Inc = Seasonal raise
Bon = Bonus in K
Rem = days remaining in contract (first line). Other lines, ' = signed, * = refused.

Code:

 
Salary negotiations    Len Sal Mat Inc Bon Rem
Sytik (88) -             4 2.0 1.0   8  28   4
                        5 1.5 1.0   4  10   *
                        5 1.7 1.0   5  25   '
Tarkki (68) -            3 2.9 1.5  10  47   4
                        5 1.8 1.0   4  20   *
                        5 2.3 1.5   5  45   '
Higginbotham (89) -      4 1.1 0.5   0  15  24
                        5 0.9 0.5   5  10   '
Ramsay (30) -            3 1.1 0.6   0  20  43
                        5 0.9 0.5   5  15   '
Tylinski (28) -          3 2.4 1.4   0  42  98
                        5 2.0 1.0   5  35   '
Smethurst (98) -         4 2.3 1.1   0  28  91
                        5 2.0 1.0   5  25   '
 
Carr (64) -              3 2.7 1.3   9  45  44
                        5 2.2 1.0   5  30   '
Slade (78) -             4 0.8 0.4   7  14 127
                        5 0.7 0.5   5  12   '
Terasniska (62) -        3 2.3 1.3  11  37 177
                        5 2.0 1.0   5  30   '
Boyle (33) -             3 1.7 0.8  11  32  95
                        4 1.2 0.5   5  25   *
Daehlie (35) -           3 2.2 1.1  11  41  94
                        5 1.7 0.8   5  35   '
Furtado (18) -           3 2.4 1.3  14  43  55
                        5 1.9 1.0   5  35   '
Verret (38) -            3 1.2 0.7  13  19 150
                        5 1.0 0.5   5  15   '
Ryman (70) -             3 2.0 1.1  10  31  78
                        5 1.6 1.0   5  25   '
Atherton (3) -           2 1.6 0.9  15  31   4
                        3 0.5 0.3   0   0   *

(for reference, I'm lowballing Atherton because I don't really want to keep him, and it's an interesting experiment.)

daedalus · 12-28-2006, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan

because they want you to wait at least two weeks before you can jack your roster to your usual 50

FM

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. So far they haven't mentioned a max roster limit like Hattie yet!!!

Brillig · 12-28-2006, 07:04 PM

Actually, your Board (Home -> Club -> Board) sets your roster limitations. I think everyone's at the same right now, min 18, max 26.

Edit: I spoke to soon. For reasons I don't comprehend (Idjits need to write down the freaking rules), the board has raised my max players to 27.

ntndeacon · 12-28-2006, 09:26 PM

well the Klein Bottles are in the Atlas Premeirship right now.

Brillig · 12-29-2006, 02:33 AM

More tidbits gleaned...

There seems to be two daily updates, evening and morning (pacific time). The morning update seems to be the econ update, while the evening update is league matches+training. Player contract negotiations update at both, so you can get two offers in per day. Staff contracts only update in the evening.

Reserve matches are scheduled through "Competitions" in the top menu bar, then "Reserve Matches" in the middle, then "Schedule Reserve Match". It'll give you a drop down for open dates, home/away, and a dialog box for the team name. Got to put that in manually, it seems. You also have to set up a new lineup for the reserve (you want your backups anyway), as well as tactics. Remember to set aggression to 1 for a reserve match. No sense courting injuries.

Hiring staff is a little weird. Go to "Club", "Staff", "Staff Vacancies", then "Post New Vacancy". You pay an 'advertising' fee that's based on how long the post remains open. I think that you don't get any resumes until the vacancy period closes. Either that or I just blew 15k out the window. More later, heh.

As noted above, the board's (dis)pleasure with you seems to have an immediate impact on the size of staff and team you can carry. As a consequence of hitting one of my milestones (min victories 14), the board's rating went up from 50 to 52. This meant that I can now have 10 staff (was 9) and 27 players (was 26). This might be a pretty broken game mechanic if it means that a team that hits a rough patch has to liquidate players and staff, losing money in the process, making the team worse, etc, etc... death spiral.

TonyR · 12-29-2006, 08:28 AM

I set my ticket prices at $15.00 Still sold out and had extra people watch for free (i think). Well, there is a colum right after attendance that had about 1,500.
I also just ordered start of an expansion for the NorthWest bleachers since that was all I could afford. Stadium expansions are brutal price wise.

Brillig · 12-29-2006, 01:49 PM

Whenever you sell out by a good margin (as you did), bump the ticket prices by one. There are people who started earlier who are at 23 or 24 dollers/ticket who are selling out (5000) by now.

Even at $20 a ticket, with 19 home games you'd need to sell the expansion out for 4.5 seasons before you show a profit. Lot less if you can string a good cup run though. Here's hoping?

kingfc22 · 12-29-2006, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillig

Whenever you sell out by a good margin (as you did), bump the ticket prices by one. There are people who started earlier who are at 23 or 24 dollers/ticket who are selling out (5000) by now.

Even at $20 a ticket, with 19 home games you'd need to sell the expansion out for 4.5 seasons before you show a profit. Lot less if you can string a good cup run though. Here's hoping?

Yea, a bunch of people on the forum are saying they have ticket prices around 22-24. I was planning on increasing ticket prices by $2 per game. However, if you go to Club->Stadium->Stadium Attendences, then you can see how many people that can't attend the game. For me that number is rising about 700 peaple per game so maybe a bigger hike from 13 to 17 may be in order for today's match. I mean if I have 3000+ people that can't get in, then I'm sure they will pay whatvever I ask, right?

tucker rocky · 12-29-2006, 04:20 PM

Florida Blazers
D3
Cyclone League

Looks interesting, will have to dig deeper to find more info on what to do.

bbor · 12-29-2006, 06:18 PM

I bumped my ducats up by 2 bucks and still had 4000 peeps that could'nt get in.Bumped it another 2 bucks so we'll see what that does.

kingfc22 · 12-29-2006, 09:28 PM

Ok. My first youth scouting expedition of England finished today.

My scout found 1 player. A 15 yo, left-footed winger with a rating of 50.

I'm not sure if this is a true rating or if it is seen through the "eyes" of one of my coaches or scouts.

It gave me two options: 1) Give him a 70 day contract (approx $80k) or 2) decline to promote him to the youth academy.

Also, I posted a job opening for a scout for 5 days and I got 4 applications. These guys are rated 21, 18, 18 and 15.

I signed the 21 rated one. He had 2 bars for player potential and overall rating.

Brillig · 12-29-2006, 10:37 PM

I had a player injured in training today

One of my best defenders too, and just training on the medium setting. 'Grade 2' injury, whatever that means.

WTF is this, realism?

daedalus · 12-29-2006, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingfc22

My scout found 1 player. A 15 yo, left-footed winger with a rating of 50.

I'm not sure if this is a true rating or if it is seen through the "eyes" of one of my coaches or scouts.

Heh. My scout turned up an 11 year old goalkeeper. Frightening.

Yes, I promoted him.

kingfc22 · 12-29-2006, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daedalus

Heh. My scout turned up an 11 year old goalkeeper.

I'm going to call Dateline on your scout.

Brillig · 12-30-2006, 01:46 AM

Why'd you just search England? They know nothing about football...

...

Oh, and daed, aren't they unable to be promoted to the senior squad until they're 16 or something? Are you going to have to fork over 80k a year for the next 5 years?

bbor · 12-30-2006, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbor

I bumped my ducats up by 2 bucks and still had 4000 peeps that could'nt get in.Bumped it another 2 bucks so we'll see what that does.

Sold out again with another 4000 fans not getting in.....bumped prices to $18 for my next match.

Oilers9911 · 12-31-2006, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbor

I bumped my ducats up by 2 bucks and still had 4000 peeps that could'nt get in.Bumped it another 2 bucks so we'll see what that does.

I would love to see a game that factored this in to crown happiness. Imagine how pissed your fans would be if you really upped the prices every match?

Brillig · 12-31-2006, 08:16 AM

If your ticket prices were half those of the rest of the league - maybe not so much? From what I've seen, your attendences do take a hit every time you raise the ticket price, it's just that some folks are so oversubscribed that it doesn't matter. I can't decide whether it's a huge strength or weakness, but your team doesn't get reset when you sign up, so you inherit all the existing good and bad things that have been going on all season...

12-25-2006, 02:18 AM	#2
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	What team are you PM ? __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

12-25-2006, 02:22 AM	#3
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	I've been playing for about a month.Tornado div2...team name the Fog __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

12-25-2006, 05:36 AM	#5
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	I am in Trapdoor, DII, Fargo 1871. I won my second game last night. Woohoo! __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

12-25-2006, 07:44 AM	#6
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	My plate's full, fellas. I'm not sure you'll see the Puke Green Socks there. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-25-2006, 02:25 PM	#7
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Going to give this a try. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-25-2006, 02:39 AM	#4
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	Neon League, D8. Standard name for me, Calibiri.

12-25-2006, 02:32 PM	#8
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Wow. This game does look very deep. Definately going to have to read the rules. Cannon League - Div 3 - Royal Knights FC __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal Last edited by kingfc22 : 12-25-2006 at 02:34 PM.

12-25-2006, 07:25 PM	#9
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	I have tried a few other, sokker being the most recent, but never stuck anywhere, in fact I usually rarely log in a second time after getting a team. I must admit that I'm intrigued by this one and with the long holiday break, I might be tempted to learn how to play it. Signed up as Cerio Dragons FC in the Anubis league, Division 2. FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

12-25-2006, 07:29 PM	#10
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	dola, just realized that the team plays its first league match in about 90 minutes I like how you can set up your time zone in your preference, so now I don't always have to adjust for the swedish time... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

12-26-2006, 12:46 AM	#11
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	I'm Kingsville AC in Aristotle League D VII. Currently 1W-0L-1D. __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

12-26-2006, 02:19 AM	#12
BillyNYC High School JV Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Berlin, Germany	OK I'm in. No idea if I'll stick with it though. Shaolin Landfills, cyclone league, D6 Looks like my leadest scorer's contract expires in 5 days and my starting keeper in 2 days. Good time for me to take over?

12-26-2006, 02:27 AM	#13
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Got a nice 3-2 victory on the road in my first match. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-26-2006, 08:26 AM	#14
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	We fell in our game last night 2-0. Our first loss. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

12-26-2006, 08:28 AM	#15
FrogMan Hattrick Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pintendre, Qc, Canada	hrm, our first was eerily similar to some FM games of the past. Dominated with 68% possession yet was unable to score and drew 0-0... lotsa learning to do I guess... FM __________________ A Black Belt is a White Belt who refused to give up... follow my story: The real life story of a running frog...

12-26-2006, 09:52 AM	#16
Oilers9911 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2006	Warpigs FC are in the Discus League Championship (though not for long probably). Two players have expiring contracts. 25 year old DM Neci Puskas and 34 year old DM Douglas Munro. I have requested a negotiation with Puskas but I will let Munro walk. Munro is the current starter but Puskas is cheaper and has more potential so he will be taking over the position. Last edited by Oilers9911 : 12-26-2006 at 10:14 AM.

12-26-2006, 10:44 AM	#17
KevinNU7 College Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: Beantown	How is the economy in this game? __________________ Boston Bashers - III.14 - (8347)

12-26-2006, 12:46 PM	#20
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	One part of the economy i don't like is that player "negotiation" is not really negotiation......i have not been able to move off of what a player requests and still sign the player. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

12-26-2006, 02:40 PM	#22
mrkilla22 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2003	Crazydoods are in the Eros league in the Championship division.

12-26-2006, 07:03 PM	#23
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Hmm, the new Slithy Toves are surfing the basement, division 7 of the Axe league.

12-26-2006, 07:48 PM	#25
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Where the heck are the freaking rules? All I found was some scattershot FAQs...

12-27-2006, 01:35 AM	#26
daedalus Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000	So, uhh, can anybody come up with a reason as to why I am banned from making transfer until January 15?

12-27-2006, 03:17 AM	#28
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	Mine is only until the 14th. I guess they don't want anyone to make a tranfer a manager is in a certain time in the game. I was able to get a player to go below his asking contract only on percentage increase and appearance fee, but I offered a slightly bigger signing bonus. __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

12-27-2006, 07:50 AM	#30
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	I think the idea is that you get the feel for the rest of your roster before you screw with it beyond repair. Similar to what FM said. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

12-27-2006, 08:20 AM	#31
fantastic flying froggies Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny South of France	Well, I just signed up. Flying Froggies FC in Fortress league, div 4. I must admit I have no idea what I should be doing... __________________ Detroit Vampires (CFL) : Ve 're coming for your blood! Camargue Flamingos (WOOF): pretty in Pink Last edited by fantastic flying froggies : 12-27-2006 at 08:21 AM.

12-27-2006, 08:33 AM	#32
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	This is what I've gleaned so far: Money is very short to start with. Try increasing your ticket prices a dollar (euro?) at a time to keep revenues increasing while keeping crowd growth up. I'm finding it unlikely that I can keep my whole team at the current economy level. Most players are looking for substantial increases in salary that I can't afford right now. Unfortunately, it would be even harder to resign them later. I've resigned myself to writing off a bunch of my current players when their contracts expire. [Apparently, resigning all of your contracts on day one before they started training was a good idea. It's too late for that for me.] Find the players with "match highest wage" contracts. Renegotiate them, they'll kill you. I don't know whether this is because my team had a prior owner or not, but I started with a youth coach and scout, so I'm looking for new youth players now. Hopefully, even with a hefty charge for signing youth players, I can lock them up in cheap 5 season contracts and build from there. Match orders seem pretty self explanatory. Dunno what affects what though. That's all I know for now, and it's quite possibly all completely wrong One more thing - if you go to the Manager button at the top, it gives you a To Do list of things that the system thinks you need to address. It may not start working til day 2 though. Last edited by Brillig : 12-27-2006 at 08:35 AM.

12-27-2006, 11:21 AM	#33
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	In the interest of broadening the knowledge base, even if it makes me look like an idiot. I thought there was no way I could resign my boys, especially given the trend mentioned in the thread. Instead, I may have locked myself into mediocrity for the next five years. That said, this may help some folks out. Here's a list of the renegotiations with all my players. Legend: (nn) is player Loyalty. Len = length of contract in seasons Sal = Salary in K Mat = Match bonus in K Inc = Seasonal raise Bon = Bonus in K Rem = days remaining in contract (first line). Other lines, ' = signed, * = refused. Code: Salary negotiations Len Sal Mat Inc Bon Rem Sytik (88) - 4 2.0 1.0 8 28 4 5 1.5 1.0 4 10 * 5 1.7 1.0 5 25 ' Tarkki (68) - 3 2.9 1.5 10 47 4 5 1.8 1.0 4 20 * 5 2.3 1.5 5 45 ' Higginbotham (89) - 4 1.1 0.5 0 15 24 5 0.9 0.5 5 10 ' Ramsay (30) - 3 1.1 0.6 0 20 43 5 0.9 0.5 5 15 ' Tylinski (28) - 3 2.4 1.4 0 42 98 5 2.0 1.0 5 35 ' Smethurst (98) - 4 2.3 1.1 0 28 91 5 2.0 1.0 5 25 ' Carr (64) - 3 2.7 1.3 9 45 44 5 2.2 1.0 5 30 ' Slade (78) - 4 0.8 0.4 7 14 127 5 0.7 0.5 5 12 ' Terasniska (62) - 3 2.3 1.3 11 37 177 5 2.0 1.0 5 30 ' Boyle (33) - 3 1.7 0.8 11 32 95 4 1.2 0.5 5 25 * Daehlie (35) - 3 2.2 1.1 11 41 94 5 1.7 0.8 5 35 ' Furtado (18) - 3 2.4 1.3 14 43 55 5 1.9 1.0 5 35 ' Verret (38) - 3 1.2 0.7 13 19 150 5 1.0 0.5 5 15 ' Ryman (70) - 3 2.0 1.1 10 31 78 5 1.6 1.0 5 25 ' Atherton (3) - 2 1.6 0.9 15 31 4 3 0.5 0.3 0 0 * (for reference, I'm lowballing Atherton because I don't really want to keep him, and it's an interesting experiment.) Last edited by Brillig : 12-27-2006 at 11:46 AM. Reason: stupid VB foo

12-28-2006, 07:04 PM	#35
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Actually, your Board (Home -> Club -> Board) sets your roster limitations. I think everyone's at the same right now, min 18, max 26. Edit: I spoke to soon. For reasons I don't comprehend (Idjits need to write down the freaking rules), the board has raised my max players to 27. Last edited by Brillig : 12-28-2006 at 10:56 PM.

12-28-2006, 09:26 PM	#36
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	well the Klein Bottles are in the Atlas Premeirship right now.

12-29-2006, 02:33 AM	#37
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	More tidbits gleaned... There seems to be two daily updates, evening and morning (pacific time). The morning update seems to be the econ update, while the evening update is league matches+training. Player contract negotiations update at both, so you can get two offers in per day. Staff contracts only update in the evening. Reserve matches are scheduled through "Competitions" in the top menu bar, then "Reserve Matches" in the middle, then "Schedule Reserve Match". It'll give you a drop down for open dates, home/away, and a dialog box for the team name. Got to put that in manually, it seems. You also have to set up a new lineup for the reserve (you want your backups anyway), as well as tactics. Remember to set aggression to 1 for a reserve match. No sense courting injuries. Hiring staff is a little weird. Go to "Club", "Staff", "Staff Vacancies", then "Post New Vacancy". You pay an 'advertising' fee that's based on how long the post remains open. I think that you don't get any resumes until the vacancy period closes. Either that or I just blew 15k out the window. More later, heh. As noted above, the board's (dis)pleasure with you seems to have an immediate impact on the size of staff and team you can carry. As a consequence of hitting one of my milestones (min victories 14), the board's rating went up from 50 to 52. This meant that I can now have 10 staff (was 9) and 27 players (was 26). This might be a pretty broken game mechanic if it means that a team that hits a rough patch has to liquidate players and staff, losing money in the process, making the team worse, etc, etc... death spiral.

12-29-2006, 08:28 AM	#38
TonyR High School Varsity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Texas	I set my ticket prices at $15.00 Still sold out and had extra people watch for free (i think). Well, there is a colum right after attendance that had about 1,500. I also just ordered start of an expansion for the NorthWest bleachers since that was all I could afford. Stadium expansions are brutal price wise. __________________ XBox360 GamerTag - Tonyr76 Former HTer

12-29-2006, 01:49 PM	#39
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	Whenever you sell out by a good margin (as you did), bump the ticket prices by one. There are people who started earlier who are at 23 or 24 dollers/ticket who are selling out (5000) by now. Even at $20 a ticket, with 19 home games you'd need to sell the expansion out for 4.5 seasons before you show a profit. Lot less if you can string a good cup run though. Here's hoping?

12-29-2006, 04:20 PM	#41
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Florida Blazers D3 Cyclone League Looks interesting, will have to dig deeper to find more info on what to do.

12-29-2006, 06:18 PM	#42
bbor Pro Starter Join Date: May 2001 Location: toronto	I bumped my ducats up by 2 bucks and still had 4000 peeps that could'nt get in.Bumped it another 2 bucks so we'll see what that does. __________________ Pumpy Tudors Now that I've cracked and made that admission, I wonder if I'm only a couple of steps away from wanting to tongue-kiss Jaromir Jagr and give Bobby Clarke a blowjob.

12-29-2006, 09:28 PM	#43
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Ok. My first youth scouting expedition of England finished today. My scout found 1 player. A 15 yo, left-footed winger with a rating of 50. I'm not sure if this is a true rating or if it is seen through the "eyes" of one of my coaches or scouts. It gave me two options: 1) Give him a 70 day contract (approx $80k) or 2) decline to promote him to the youth academy. Also, I posted a job opening for a scout for 5 days and I got 4 applications. These guys are rated 21, 18, 18 and 15. I signed the 21 rated one. He had 2 bars for player potential and overall rating. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-29-2006, 10:37 PM	#44
Brillig College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Mountain View, California	I had a player injured in training today One of my best defenders too, and just training on the medium setting. 'Grade 2' injury, whatever that means. WTF is this, realism?