Passport when travelling by land from Canada to the U.S.

MikeVic · 01-02-2007, 02:31 PM

I know I've heard about this being passed sometime soon, but I never know when. Does anyone know when (with proof) I will need a passport just to drive down to North Dakota from Manitoba?

Thanks in advance.

Alan T · 01-02-2007, 02:34 PM

I don't have proof yet (I will try to look it up), however my sister lives over the border in Quebec and my mother drives back and forth all the time. I believe we had on our calenders Jan. 16th that she needed her passport by (I already have mine due to my international travel). I'll double check though for you.

cartman · 01-02-2007, 02:35 PM

Looks like June 1, 2009 for travelers arriving by land or sea will need a passport, but the date hasn't been set in stone yet. If you fly, it is in a few weeks, Jan. 23rd.

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Honolulu_Blue · 01-02-2007, 02:36 PM

You don't need a passport when travelling between the U.S. and Canada. Lady H_B heads over to Windsor to study with her study group once every two weeks and never brings her passport. That said, there was a dick of a border guard (Canadian side) that gave her grief about not having a passport.

Alan T · 01-02-2007, 02:36 PM

just looked it up. I was wrong on all kinds of counts. I was off a week, it is Jan 23rd however this site says its only air travel needing it by then.

They list Jan 1 2008 for land travel.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

miami_fan · 01-02-2007, 02:36 PM

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html

Under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI)

The proposed implementation timeline has two phases:

Beginning January 23, 2007, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling by air between the United States and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda will be required to present a valid passport, Air NEXUS card, or U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Document, or an Alien Registration Card, Form I-551, if applicable.

As early as January 1, 2008, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea (including ferries), may be required to present a valid passport or other documents as determined by the Department of Homeland Security. While recent legislative changes permit a later deadline, the Departments of State and Homeland Security are working to meet all requirements as soon as possible. Ample advance notice will be provided to enable the public to obtain passports or passport cards for land/sea entries.

Alan T · 01-02-2007, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You don't need a passport when travelling between the U.S. and Canada. Lady H_B heads over to Windsor to study with her study group once every two weeks and never brings her passport. That said, there was a dick of a border guard (Canadian side) that gave her grief about not having a passport.

Thats all changing soon. Everyone will be required to have a passport for international travel even by land. Looks like Jan 1, 2008 is the date for that

Simms · 01-02-2007, 03:15 PM

Without trying to read all the fine print myself, can anybody tell me if this works in both directions?

My kids (American-born) and I (Canadian-born w/ an American mother) are all dual-citizens, while my wife (American) lived with us in Canada long enough to acquire Permanent Resident status but we moved back in July -- before the 3 years required for her to apply for citizenship. We all have U.S. Passports, but none of the three of us that are eligible (me and my kids) have a Canadian one. I've always just used my birth certificate and the kids have government-issued Citizenship Cards/Certificates.

Do I need to start working on Canadian passport applications?

MikeVic · 01-02-2007, 03:21 PM

Thanks guys! I should be safe travelling to North Dakota or Minnesota sometime this spring.

NoSkillz · 01-03-2007, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simms

Without trying to read all the fine print myself, can anybody tell me if this works in both directions?

My kids (American-born) and I (Canadian-born w/ an American mother) are all dual-citizens, while my wife (American) lived with us in Canada long enough to acquire Permanent Resident status but we moved back in July -- before the 3 years required for her to apply for citizenship. We all have U.S. Passports, but none of the three of us that are eligible (me and my kids) have a Canadian one. I've always just used my birth certificate and the kids have government-issued Citizenship Cards/Certificates.

Do I need to start working on Canadian passport applications?

As someone who crosses the border about three times a week for Sabres games, I'm under the impression that your American passports will suffice.

NoSkillz · 01-03-2007, 11:25 AM

Dola,

I have an expired Canadian passport and have just been using my driver's license along with my birth certificate when crossing. I've never been hassled about it.

However, I found it interesting when I used the same tactic when going on my honeymoon to Hawaii in October. The customs officer told me about the new regulation going into effect for air travel in 2007 and actually said that an expired passport would have been acceptable (but not preferred, obviously).

MacroGuru · 01-03-2007, 11:50 AM

When I was up in the Buffalo area and headed over to Canada with the wife, the customs agent was a dick about me not having my passport, I was actually upset and bit back a few harsh comments to him because I didn't want to risk the anal probe....,

Alan T · 01-03-2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacroGuru

When I was up in the Buffalo area and headed over to Canada with the wife, the customs agent was a dick about me not having my passport, I was actually upset and bit back a few harsh comments to him because I didn't want to risk the anal probe....,

I go back and forth to Canada by land maybe 10-15 times a year, and never have been asked for a passport before. (never even asked for my birth certificate or anything other than my license).

What is funny, is my girlfriend the last time we went was not really harassed, but after giving her license, they did come back and ask if she had a passport and any other information.

The difference: I am a middle-aged caucasian male, she is a hispanic female.

Not making any accusations, but her and i have joked about it many times since.

timmae · 01-04-2007, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You don't need a passport when travelling between the U.S. and Canada. Lady H_B heads over to Windsor to study with her study group once every two weeks and never brings her passport. That said, there was a dick of a border guard (Canadian side) that gave her grief about not having a passport.

I hear they have some wonderful cigars of the cuban variety in good ole' Windsor

That and the strip joints are the only reason to go there me thinks.

01-02-2007, 02:35 PM	#3
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Looks like June 1, 2009 for travelers arriving by land or sea will need a passport, but the date hasn't been set in stone yet. If you fly, it is in a few weeks, Jan. 23rd. hxxp://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061231/LIVING03/612310343/-1/ZONES04 __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 01-02-2007 at 02:36 PM.

01-02-2007, 02:36 PM	#4
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	You don't need a passport when travelling between the U.S. and Canada. Lady H_B heads over to Windsor to study with her study group once every two weeks and never brings her passport. That said, there was a dick of a border guard (Canadian side) that gave her grief about not having a passport. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

01-02-2007, 02:36 PM	#6
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html Under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) The proposed implementation timeline has two phases: Beginning January 23, 2007, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling by air between the United States and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda will be required to present a valid passport, Air NEXUS card, or U.S. Coast Guard Merchant Mariner Document, or an Alien Registration Card, Form I-551, if applicable. As early as January 1, 2008, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Bermuda by land or sea (including ferries), may be required to present a valid passport or other documents as determined by the Department of Homeland Security. While recent legislative changes permit a later deadline, the Departments of State and Homeland Security are working to meet all requirements as soon as possible. Ample advance notice will be provided to enable the public to obtain passports or passport cards for land/sea entries. __________________ "Do not be indifferent in the face of historical lies. Do not be indifferent when you see the past being exploited for the needs of contemporary politics. Do not be indifferent when any minority suffers discrimination. For it's the essence of democracy that the majority wields the power, but at the same time, the rights of the minority must be respected." Marian Turski- former prisoner of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration and death camp

01-02-2007, 03:15 PM	#8
Simms FOBL Commish Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Team Radii	Without trying to read all the fine print myself, can anybody tell me if this works in both directions? My kids (American-born) and I (Canadian-born w/ an American mother) are all dual-citizens, while my wife (American) lived with us in Canada long enough to acquire Permanent Resident status but we moved back in July -- before the 3 years required for her to apply for citizenship. We all have U.S. Passports, but none of the three of us that are eligible (me and my kids) have a Canadian one. I've always just used my birth certificate and the kids have government-issued Citizenship Cards/Certificates. Do I need to start working on Canadian passport applications? __________________ FOBL Commissioner 34 Productions Web Design Last edited by Simms : 01-02-2007 at 03:22 PM.

01-03-2007, 11:25 AM	#11
NoSkillz College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Catharines, Canada	Dola, I have an expired Canadian passport and have just been using my driver's license along with my birth certificate when crossing. I've never been hassled about it. However, I found it interesting when I used the same tactic when going on my honeymoon to Hawaii in October. The customs officer told me about the new regulation going into effect for air travel in 2007 and actually said that an expired passport would have been acceptable (but not preferred, obviously). __________________ MY CURRENT FM19 DYNASTY - FM19: "Ludere causa Ludendi - To Play for the Sake of Playing" - Queen's Park FC (Scottish League Two) MY OLD FM11 DYNASTY - FM11: From Semi-Pro Minnows to the EPL - Dover Athletic FC My Personal Blog - Now on the Tee - Golf, Sports, Poker, Life 2006 GOLDEN SCRIBE AWARD WINNER FOR BEST 'OTHER SPORT' DYNASTY - EHM2005: Sharpening Swords in Buffalo Last edited by NoSkillz : 01-03-2007 at 11:25 AM.

01-02-2007, 02:34 PM	#2
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I don't have proof yet (I will try to look it up), however my sister lives over the border in Quebec and my mother drives back and forth all the time. I believe we had on our calenders Jan. 16th that she needed her passport by (I already have mine due to my international travel). I'll double check though for you.

01-02-2007, 03:21 PM	#9
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Thanks guys! I should be safe travelling to North Dakota or Minnesota sometime this spring.

01-03-2007, 11:50 AM	#12
MacroGuru Coordinator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah	When I was up in the Buffalo area and headed over to Canada with the wife, the customs agent was a dick about me not having my passport, I was actually upset and bit back a few harsh comments to him because I didn't want to risk the anal probe...., __________________ "forgetting what is in the past, I strive for the future"

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