Thoughts on the split FOF2K7 Forum?

Ben E Lou · 03-13-2007, 07:40 PM

When I split the forums, my intention at the time was that it would be temporary. However, I'm liking the split more than I ever would have guessed. Here we are, 4 1/2 months after the release, 3 1/2 months after the most recent patch, and 12 different FOF2K7 threads have been posted in today. That *never* would have happened with past versions. I may be wrong, but it just feels like new-to-FOF people are more willing to post their questions in a dedicated forum, rather than in a free-for-all GD forum where just today's posts take up a page and a half. I'm strongly inclined to leave it the way it is, but I'm also curious as to what y'all think. I'd appreciate a vote, and a sharing of thoughts as well.

MJ4H · 03-13-2007, 07:41 PM

Love it. Keep it.

Antmeister · 03-13-2007, 07:43 PM

I would only consider combining it if the other forum dies down in threads talking about the game itself. Otherwise the separate forum is great.

DaddyTorgo · 03-13-2007, 07:43 PM

sharing of thoughts: wtf is up with your "location" now? Souf cackalacky? wtf!??!!?

Rizon · 03-13-2007, 07:44 PM

I can finally find FOF related threads now.

M GO BLUE!!! · 03-13-2007, 07:46 PM

Keep it as it is now.

Now if we want to see opinions and information on the game it is easy to find. Likewise, if we want to read up on who is drunk as a skunk, or just view interesting tattoos, we have a place for that as well...

Raiders Army · 03-13-2007, 07:47 PM

I like it as is.

FrogMan · 03-13-2007, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antmeister

I would only consider combining it if the other forum dies down in threads talking about the game itself. Otherwise the separate forum is great.

my thoughts too. Keep it as it is now.

FM

Alan T · 03-13-2007, 07:48 PM

I like the threads being seperate when I remember to go there , its easier to find stuff. My only problem is that I don't always remember to check that forum.. so like right now its been a few weeks since I have been in there.

Easy Mac · 03-13-2007, 07:55 PM

we have other forums?

Pyser · 03-13-2007, 07:56 PM

theres a forum about a game here?

Pyser · 03-13-2007, 07:56 PM

damn you mac! daaaaaaamn you!!!!

JonInMiddleGA · 03-13-2007, 08:34 PM

I'd say leave it.

Easy Mac · 03-13-2007, 08:37 PM

It seems I stand alone.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-13-2007, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

It seems I stand alone.

Maybe this will help

I'm always wrong I'm never right
Right or wrong there always seems to be a correction

And I give everything I got
And they take Take Take Take Take everything I'm giving

My back is tired My legs both ache
In this life There is no cake This life I'm livin'

CHORUS:
I stand alone today WHY YOU FEEL Don't ask me why I feel
I just know I feel this way WHAT YOU SAY I stand alone today
I stand alone today WHY YOU FEEL Don't ask me why I feel
I just know I feel this way WHAT YOU SAY I stand alone today

Well you look at me Shake your head
Don't like my hair You're so misled I shit like you do
But the curse is more than on my head
Sometimes I think I'm better off dead It's worse than voodoo

And I'm reaching out for help
But it's No No No No No Until you give in

My back's still tired My legs both ache
In this life There is no cake This life I'm livin'

CHORUS:

Well they take They take everything I'm givin'
It's a rough life This life I'm livin'
Give me more Give me more I take more everyday
I'm gonna take it till they take Take Take Take
Take Take Take Take me away

SOLO

CHORUS:

I say I-I-I Stand alone today I say I-I-I Stand alone today
I say I-I-I Stand alone today I say I-I-I Stand alone today I say I-I

molson · 03-13-2007, 08:41 PM

What a landslide.

I didn't like it at first, but it's worked.

vtbub · 03-13-2007, 08:44 PM

I guess I'm in the minority. I liked the eccletic mix of fof related posts and the community that we have become being together.

astrosfan64 · 03-13-2007, 09:40 PM

I like one forum for everything. But, if you are going to have seperate forums, I would suggest creating a forum for all the different text simmulations that are popular here.

WVUFAN · 03-13-2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astrosfan64

I like one forum for everything. But, if you are going to have seperate forums, I would suggest creating a forum for all the different text simmulations that are popular here.

I disagree. Since this is Front Office Football Central, the emphasis should be on that game.

I love the split forum. It makes it easier to check out both aspects of the forum. I don't own 2k7 yet, but when I do buy it, having the separate 2k7 forum will let me check out the threads there without sifting through everything else.

Franklinnoble · 03-14-2007, 02:37 AM

Doesn't matter to me. I don't own FOF2K7, and I'm not buying another version without custom league sizes and expansion, so I can do without the on-topic discussion. Leave it.

Vinatieri for Prez · 03-14-2007, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

Doesn't matter to me. I don't own FOF2K7, and I'm not buying another version without custom league sizes and expansion, so I can do without the on-topic discussion. Leave it.

That pretty much means you'll never be buying another version.

Icy · 03-14-2007, 03:48 AM

Like it the way it is now. Both forums are active enough and now you can choose what to read.

Sweed · 03-14-2007, 05:39 AM

Keep it the way it is.

JeeberD · 03-14-2007, 06:44 AM

I was very much against it at the beginning, but I've grown to really like it...

Ben E Lou · 03-14-2007, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeeberD

I was very much against it at the beginning, but I've grown to really like it...

It wasn't a well-received decision, and I myself pretty much thought it to be just a temporary "necessary evil." I'm surprised how much I like it. The FOF2K4 strategy forum was probably started way too long after the release, and a little too specific in nature for it to really take off. I think a big help was the ease of mass-moving threads in the newer version of vbulletin that we now have. The forum will always be slower than OT, but there's much more action there at this point than I would have ever predicted. It's pretty cool that EF27 hasn't had to stretch all that much to come up with relevant links for Coaches' Corner.

(By the way, if you haven't checked out the Coaches' Corner sticky thread, it has become a very nice strategy resource for the new game.)

Poli · 03-14-2007, 07:25 AM

Bah. To be honest, I find myself playing the newer game more than I've played previous versions. While I'd like to learn more about the game, I just don't find myself going to 2k7 forum unless I know that there's a thread there I want to see.

Logan · 03-14-2007, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I like the threads being seperate when I remember to go there , its easier to find stuff. My only problem is that I don't always remember to check that forum.. so like right now its been a few weeks since I have been in there.

My thoughts as well. Keep it.

sachmo71 · 03-14-2007, 08:14 AM

I felt bad for the old guard, so I gave them my vote.

wade moore · 03-14-2007, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I like the threads being seperate when I remember to go there , its easier to find stuff. My only problem is that I don't always remember to check that forum.. so like right now its been a few weeks since I have been in there.

I was pretty negative about the change but this sort of sums it up for me. The bad thing is I think I often miss useful FOF2k7 threads because of just forgetting to go there - so in the end I end up not wanting to catch up on 20 threads at a time.

That being said, it is nice to have a one-stop shop when I do want FOF2k7 talk.

Coder · 03-14-2007, 08:36 AM

I realize old habits die hard, but I've got the forumlist (the one listing all the forums) as my bookmark, rather than just "Off Topic".. I routinely scan the FOF2K7 forum for tidbits, even though I hardly post there.

wade moore · 03-14-2007, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

I realize old habits die hard, but I've got the forumlist (the one listing all the forums) as my bookmark, rather than just "Off Topic".. I routinely scan the FOF2K7 forum for tidbits, even though I hardly post there.

I refresh allllll day... so it's a matter of me hitting f5 in off-topic all day.

MIJB#19 · 03-14-2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyDog

It wasn't a well-received decision, and I myself pretty much thought it to be just a temporary "necessary evil." I'm surprised how much I like it. The FOF2K4 strategy forum was probably started way too long after the release, and a little too specific in nature for it to really take off. I think a big help was the ease of mass-moving threads in the newer version of vbulletin that we now have. The forum will always be slower than OT, but there's much more action there at this point than I would have ever predicted. It's pretty cool that EF27 hasn't had to stretch all that much to come up with relevant links for Coaches' Corner.

Agreed. Back in the day, I think the I-don't-like-it group was as big as the keep-it-as-is group is now. My compliments on making that decission which back then wasn't well received and now is regarded as an excellent move.

Coder · 03-14-2007, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I refresh allllll day... so it's a matter of me hitting f5 in off-topic all day.

See THAT, I cannot offer any suggestions to... other than maybe.. well.. seeing someone for it?

Emiliano · 03-14-2007, 09:31 AM

I like it, a lot. Keep it this way.

wade moore · 03-14-2007, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coder

See THAT, I cannot offer any suggestions to... other than maybe.. well.. seeing someone for it?

I think EF27 is the only one on this board that may be able to help me here

.

John Galt · 03-14-2007, 09:56 AM

I voted to put them back together. I didn't buy the new game, but I'm still curious about it (since this is the first Gindin game I haven't bought). However, since I never check the other forum, I never read about the game at all. The result is that I haven't learned anything since the game has been released to make me want to buy it.

rkmsuf · 03-14-2007, 11:33 AM

put the fof game forum in the werewolf forum just for fun

Franklinnoble · 03-14-2007, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

That pretty much means you'll never be buying another version.

I hope you're wrong. The game has had expansion before, and other sports text sims have these features. I know Jim likes the structure of the 32 team league, but there's always hope...

Axxon · 03-14-2007, 11:54 AM

I too, often forget to check the FOF board. Strangely enough I would have voted keep it this way until the day before yesterday when I wanted to go to the nifty list of links that used to be at the top of the page and it wasn't there. I had to separately go to the other forum and realized it was there.

Now, likely an oversight but it really made me miss the one forum days so when this poll popped up I voted that way.

Really though, other than the sticky, I liked the division, as long as traffic makes it reasonable.

Arles · 03-14-2007, 11:56 AM

My experience is that a split forum is better for the new users trying to get into the game and slightly worse for the "old pros" who occassionally like to spread their wisdom. IMO, I would err on the side of protecting the new gamers and making sure they can see answers quickly (instead of digging through two pages of threads on WOW guild characters and american idol contestants).

RendeR · 03-14-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I hope you're wrong. The game has had expansion before, and other sports text sims have these features. I know Jim likes the structure of the 32 team league, but there's always hope...

I'm with Franklin on this one. I did't buy the new version because the last twothat I did buy really weren't major improvements beyond the AI getting better. I loved multi-player at first but have'nt had enough interest to rejoin any leagues again.

Add the items Frank suggests and I'll pre-order the game.

WVUFAN · 03-14-2007, 02:17 PM

Since when did this become an issue of whether people are gonna buy the game or not?

Greyroofoo · 03-14-2007, 02:26 PM

The real issue is that that Werewolves are still 2nd class citizens.

RendeR · 03-14-2007, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

The real issue is that that Werewolves are still 2nd class citizens.

As they should be.

rkmsuf · 03-14-2007, 02:32 PM

How many werewolf head coaches are there in the NFL?

Besides Shanahan.

We may need some kind of rule when interviewing for the head coach.

Abe Sargent · 03-14-2007, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtbub

I guess I'm in the minority. I liked the eccletic mix of fof related posts and the community that we have become being together.

I do to. One of the main reasons I lamented the WW thread going to its own forum.

Eaglesfan27 · 03-14-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore

I think EF27 is the only one on this board that may be able to help me here

.

I offer very reasonable rates

Franklinnoble · 03-14-2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Since when did this become an issue of whether people are gonna buy the game or not?

What? Should I have posted that opinion in the dedicated FOF2K7 forum?

I think whether or not I buy the game is a factor in whether or not I care if the forum is split. And while I'm at it, I figured I'd explain why I didn't buy the game, seeing as how it's the first Solecismic product I haven't bought. Sheesh. Threads have been jacked for worse reasons.

WVUFAN · 03-14-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

What? Should I have posted that opinion in the dedicated FOF2K7 forum?

Yup.

WVUFAN · 03-14-2007, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franklinnoble

I think whether or not I buy the game is a factor in whether or not I care if the forum is split. And while I'm at it, I figured I'd explain why I didn't buy the game, seeing as how it's the first Solecismic product I haven't bought. Sheesh. Threads have been jacked for worse reasons.

Dola -- lemme explain further.

I think there's not been two people more vocal in their opposition to pretty much anything SkyDog has done than you and I. Alot of the things he does I simply do not agree with. Some of those decisions that I was absolutely against have turned out for the best (like the Werewolf separation), and some haven't. But aside from banned people, we've been the most vocally opposed to his actions as a whole.

One of the things I always wanted him to do is to discuss with us, the board members, before he makes decisions on the board. That's what he's doing. Even if he completely ignores the results of this poll, at least he took the time to ask us what we thought. The very least we can do, you and I, is answer him in a non-snarky, non-judgemental, helpful way, and I don't feel you did that. Rather, you responded by criticizing the game, of which SkyDog has NO CONTROL over. Say "No" and leave it at that, then discuss your problems on a separate thread. There's really no reason to bitch about the game itself, since that's not what his question was.

Maybe I'm just getting old, and argumentative, and if it's that, my apologies. I just figure if I'm gonna criticize the guy, I should at least recognize when he's doing a good thing, and overall, I didn't think your "I'm not buying the game" comment really added anything to the conversation.

Then again, I could be reading into things far too much, which I do alot too. :-)

View Poll Results: What do you think of having a dedicated FOF2K7 forum?
I like it. Leave it the way it is.	104	79.39%
I don't like it. Combine it back.	27	20.61%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

03-13-2007, 07:43 PM	#3
Antmeister Pro Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: At the corner of Beat Street and Electric Avenue	I would only consider combining it if the other forum dies down in threads talking about the game itself. Otherwise the separate forum is great. __________________ "I'm ready to bury the hatchet, but don't fuck with me" - Schmidty "Box me once, shame on Skydog. Box me twice. Shame on me. Box me 3 times, just fucking ban my ass...." - stevew

03-13-2007, 08:34 PM	#13
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I'd say leave it. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-13-2007, 08:44 PM	#17
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	I guess I'm in the minority. I liked the eccletic mix of fof related posts and the community that we have become being together. __________________

03-13-2007, 09:40 PM	#18
astrosfan64 College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2004	I like one forum for everything. But, if you are going to have seperate forums, I would suggest creating a forum for all the different text simmulations that are popular here. Last edited by astrosfan64 : 03-13-2007 at 09:41 PM.

03-13-2007, 07:41 PM	#2
MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	Love it. Keep it.

03-13-2007, 07:43 PM	#4
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	sharing of thoughts: wtf is up with your "location" now? Souf cackalacky? wtf!??!!?

03-13-2007, 07:46 PM	#6
M GO BLUE!!! Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005	Keep it as it is now. Now if we want to see opinions and information on the game it is easy to find. Likewise, if we want to read up on who is drunk as a skunk, or just view interesting tattoos, we have a place for that as well...

03-13-2007, 07:47 PM	#7
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I like it as is.

03-13-2007, 07:48 PM	#9
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I like the threads being seperate when I remember to go there , its easier to find stuff. My only problem is that I don't always remember to check that forum.. so like right now its been a few weeks since I have been in there.

03-13-2007, 07:55 PM	#10
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	we have other forums?

03-13-2007, 07:56 PM	#11
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	theres a forum about a game here?

03-13-2007, 08:37 PM	#14
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	It seems I stand alone.

03-13-2007, 08:41 PM	#16
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	What a landslide. I didn't like it at first, but it's worked.

03-14-2007, 02:37 AM	#20
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	Doesn't matter to me. I don't own FOF2K7, and I'm not buying another version without custom league sizes and expansion, so I can do without the on-topic discussion. Leave it.

03-14-2007, 03:48 AM	#22
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	Like it the way it is now. Both forums are active enough and now you can choose what to read. __________________

03-14-2007, 05:39 AM	#23
Sweed College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2003	Keep it the way it is.

03-14-2007, 06:44 AM	#24
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I was very much against it at the beginning, but I've grown to really like it... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

03-14-2007, 07:25 AM	#26
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Bah. To be honest, I find myself playing the newer game more than I've played previous versions. While I'd like to learn more about the game, I just don't find myself going to 2k7 forum unless I know that there's a thread there I want to see. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-14-2007, 08:14 AM	#28
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I felt bad for the old guard, so I gave them my vote.

03-14-2007, 08:36 AM	#30
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	I realize old habits die hard, but I've got the forumlist (the one listing all the forums) as my bookmark, rather than just "Off Topic".. I routinely scan the FOF2K7 forum for tidbits, even though I hardly post there. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

03-14-2007, 09:31 AM	#34
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	I like it, a lot. Keep it this way. __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

03-14-2007, 09:56 AM	#36
John Galt Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internets	I voted to put them back together. I didn't buy the new game, but I'm still curious about it (since this is the first Gindin game I haven't bought). However, since I never check the other forum, I never read about the game at all. The result is that I haven't learned anything since the game has been released to make me want to buy it. __________________ I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. - The Dude

03-14-2007, 11:33 AM	#37
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	put the fof game forum in the werewolf forum just for fun __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-14-2007, 11:54 AM	#39
Axxon Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ	I too, often forget to check the FOF board. Strangely enough I would have voted keep it this way until the day before yesterday when I wanted to go to the nifty list of links that used to be at the top of the page and it wasn't there. I had to separately go to the other forum and realized it was there. Now, likely an oversight but it really made me miss the one forum days so when this poll popped up I voted that way. Really though, other than the sticky, I liked the division, as long as traffic makes it reasonable. __________________ There are no houris, alas, in our heaven.

03-14-2007, 11:56 AM	#40
Arles Grey Dog Software Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL	My experience is that a split forum is better for the new users trying to get into the game and slightly worse for the "old pros" who occassionally like to spread their wisdom. IMO, I would err on the side of protecting the new gamers and making sure they can see answers quickly (instead of digging through two pages of threads on WOW guild characters and american idol contestants). __________________ Developer of Bowl Bound College Football http://www.greydogsoftware.com

03-14-2007, 02:17 PM	#42
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	Since when did this become an issue of whether people are gonna buy the game or not? __________________

03-14-2007, 02:26 PM	#43
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	The real issue is that that Werewolves are still 2nd class citizens.

03-14-2007, 02:32 PM	#45
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	How many werewolf head coaches are there in the NFL? Besides Shanahan. We may need some kind of rule when interviewing for the head coach. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

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