This cant be for real?

Synovia · 05-09-2007, 01:25 AM

Okay, just ran a couple years of quicksimming, and got this.... Do we maybe have a bug on our hands here? I've never seen anything even close to this.

WebEwbank · 05-09-2007, 06:22 AM

Don't think I've seen 29 sacks in a season, but have seen 25 for sure, and often have my top rusher over twenty (I like DEs a lot).

What part are you having trouble accepting ?

Ben E Lou · 05-09-2007, 06:58 AM

22.5 in a season is the NFL record. 29 may sound high, but the thing I key in on here is the fact that he was in on 360 running plays, and 633 passing plays. Sounds like he was on a team that was ahead a lot, and was therefore in tee-off-on-the-QB mode a lot. Given that particular extreme circumstance, this doesn't sound all *that* out of line to me. The Giants only went 7-9 the year Strahan had 22.5, and the Jets were also only 7-9 when Gastineau had 22. White also had 21 on a 7-8 team. If any of those three guys had been on dominant teams those years, I would think that 25-30 sacks would have been very much possible.

Synovia · 05-09-2007, 08:39 AM

"but have seen 25 for sure, and often have my top rusher over twenty (I like DEs a lot)."

Really? I dont think I've ever seen over about 18. That being said, this guy is a 68/68. The wierd thing is, this team went 6-10, so I have no idea why all the passing plays. The DE on hte other side is a 65/65, and had 3 sacks.

Ben E Lou · 05-09-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Synovia

The wierd thing is, this team went 6-10, so I have no idea why all the passing plays.

The 6-10 there is very surprising with that big of a run/pass split. Did their secondary just suck the big one, and so AI teams were taking advantage of it? I just looked back through 8 seasons with 6.0e, and only twice in eight seasons did ANY team have as many as 633 pass plays attempted against them (and I assume your guy wasn't on the field for all of those attempts). In one case, it was a team that went 10-6, and outscored oppoenets 387-319. The other was a 12-4 team with a 367-217 (EDIT: scoring) split. That number of attempts seems to be extremely unusual for a 6-10 team.

Vince · 05-09-2007, 09:02 AM

367-217 split? Damn.

Subby · 05-09-2007, 09:25 AM

THERE IS NO WAY THAT IS FOR REALZ, YO!

Sgran · 05-09-2007, 09:34 AM

In his rookie year, Weaver disrupted 117 pass plays.

Chubby · 05-09-2007, 10:06 AM

A stud DE i have in my SP career has yearly sacks of:
5.5, 18.5, 21.5, 24.5, 20.5

He's on pace to absolutely blow the career sacks record out of the water

stevew · 05-09-2007, 10:13 AM

My rough impression, anyways, is that in the default league files, there are an awful lot of horrible offensive linemen starting around the league. I wonder what the quality of offensive linemen there are throughout the league even 3 years in. It would be interesting to do a breakdown on who the guys were that he was beating for those 29 sacks. He just could have faced the perfect storm of 21/40 tackles all season, and if he's a stud it wouldn't be unexpected for him to live on top of the QB.

dj_morton · 05-09-2007, 01:12 PM

10 years deep and my highest is 21

Vinatieri for Prez · 05-09-2007, 04:03 PM

May I ask what rosters are being used. Default?

Synovia · 05-09-2007, 04:11 PM

default rosters with a preference draft. I was trying to play with some draft pick stuff (mp draft next week), so I cut a bunch of the older players I got, a lot of whom were pretty good. The team also had a pretty bad QB. I wish I could take this further, but hes an 8th year guy, and just went lame with "Impaired Vision".

edit:6.0e

Passacaglia · 05-09-2007, 05:09 PM

Aren't sack records only kept from 1980 on? So it's not like we have a TON of experience to say that 22 is some kind of unattainable limit. Just my two cents.

Ben E Lou · 05-09-2007, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Aren't sack records only kept from 1980 on? So it's not like we have a TON of experience to say that 22 is some kind of unattainable limit. Just my two cents.

1982.

NoMyths · 05-09-2007, 06:10 PM

Top 10 sacks list from my current 88-year career:

28.0
26.0
25.5
25.5
23.0
23.0
23.0
22.5
22.5

And each of the #1 player's games that season:

3.0
1.0
4.0
1.0
2.0
0.0
3.0
0.5
0.0
1.0
2.0
5.0
2.5
0.0
2.0
1.0

He also tacked on another 3.5 through three playoff games, including one in a Super Bowl loss.

MrBigglesworth · 05-09-2007, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgran

In his rookie year, Weaver disrupted 117 pass plays.

I don't think QB knockdowns are kept as a separate stat...I mean, I think you can get a knockdown and a hurry on the same play, or maybe a sack also counts as a knockdown. Adding the hurries, blocked passes, and sacks, give you the pass rush percentage I believe.

wade moore · 05-10-2007, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBigglesworth

I don't think QB knockdowns are kept as a separate stat...I mean, I think you can get a knockdown and a hurry on the same play, or maybe a sack also counts as a knockdown. Adding the hurries, blocked passes, and sacks, give you the pass rush percentage I believe.

Yup. Knockdowns is not a mutually exclusive stat.

Vinatieri for Prez · 05-10-2007, 12:51 PM

Defensive players have a QBkd stat in their stat line. That is a separate knockdown stat that I understand corresponds to getting pressure on the QB in solevision even though the QB still gets the pass off - and thus is mutually exclusive. That's the way I've been seeing it in game. It is evidence of a guy getting close to the QB but not enough to disrupt the play. However, you are right that it is not included in the pass rush percentage caculation.

Chubby · 05-16-2007, 12:12 PM

ARGGH my guy (Kenneth Chance) who had the chance to absolutely shatter and set the career sacks mark so far out of reach retired after his 9th season

All the guys below him on the leaderboard played at least 12 seasons, oh what could have been...... here's his totals by season:

5.5, 18.5, 21.5, 24.5, 20.5, 17.0, 18.0, 19.5, 23.5 = 168.5

He never missed a start in his carrer and only had one injury (mild knee injury in yr 7) his whole career too.

scoman · 05-17-2007, 08:17 PM

Im currently in 1980 of historical sim started in 1960,my single season record so far is 23 by Doug Atkins,Vern Den Herder and L.C. Greenwood have 22 and then Carl Eller with 21.5

Sgran · 05-18-2007, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinatieri for Prez

Defensive players have a QBkd stat in their stat line. That is a separate knockdown stat that I understand corresponds to getting pressure on the QB in solevision even though the QB still gets the pass off - and thus is mutually exclusive. That's the way I've been seeing it in game. It is evidence of a guy getting close to the QB but not enough to disrupt the play. However, you are right that it is not included in the pass rush percentage caculation.

That's funny, because what you are describing sounds more like a hurry than a knockdown. I always thought a knockdown was flattening the QB after he releases the ball (not to be confused with a block, which is knocking the ball down). In any case, I just saw this in a Solevision file: "Joe Blow bowled over Nathan Dodge and is on top of the QB" but the QB then completed the pass. How would that get registered in the stat sheet for the linemen?

MrBigglesworth · 05-18-2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgran

That's funny, because what you are describing sounds more like a hurry than a knockdown. I always thought a knockdown was flattening the QB after he releases the ball (not to be confused with a block, which is knocking the ball down). In any case, I just saw this in a Solevision file: "Joe Blow bowled over Nathan Dodge and is on top of the QB" but the QB then completed the pass. How would that get registered in the stat sheet for the linemen?

If he ended up knocking down the QB, it would be a QB knockdown, but if the pass were completed it would not be a hurry.

Vinatieri for Prez · 05-19-2007, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sgran

That's funny, because what you are describing sounds more like a hurry than a knockdown. I always thought a knockdown was flattening the QB after he releases the ball (not to be confused with a block, which is knocking the ball down). In any case, I just saw this in a Solevision file: "Joe Blow bowled over Nathan Dodge and is on top of the QB" but the QB then completed the pass. How would that get registered in the stat sheet for the linemen?

That would be recorded as a knockdown in FOF; and not a hurry (because of the completion). No other description is necessary such as later saying he's knocked down. If you see any sort of description of QB pressure (e.g. he's on top of the qb, or a nice spin move, etc.) but the pass gets completed, it's a separate knockdown stat.

Sgran · 05-19-2007, 04:27 AM

This could be something that gets a little more attention in the text so that we get a better feel for what is going on and the results. For example, "Strahan flattened Favre after that completion. Favre is getting up slowly." or "Favre is shaking out the cobwebs after that hit." (suggesting the next play should be a run, or maybe a timeout could help, or even a substitution) or a little later it could say, "That was not a good pass. Favre was hearing footsteps after the earlier hit."

05-09-2007, 06:58 AM	#3
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05-09-2007, 08:39 AM	#4
Synovia High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	"but have seen 25 for sure, and often have my top rusher over twenty (I like DEs a lot)." Really? I dont think I've ever seen over about 18. That being said, this guy is a 68/68. The wierd thing is, this team went 6-10, so I have no idea why all the passing plays. The DE on hte other side is a 65/65, and had 3 sacks. Last edited by Synovia : 05-09-2007 at 08:40 AM.

05-09-2007, 09:02 AM	#6
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05-09-2007, 04:11 PM	#13
Synovia High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	default rosters with a preference draft. I was trying to play with some draft pick stuff (mp draft next week), so I cut a bunch of the older players I got, a lot of whom were pretty good. The team also had a pretty bad QB. I wish I could take this further, but hes an 8th year guy, and just went lame with "Impaired Vision". edit:6.0e Last edited by Synovia : 05-09-2007 at 04:11 PM.

05-09-2007, 06:22 AM	#2
WebEwbank High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Natick, MA	Don't think I've seen 29 sacks in a season, but have seen 25 for sure, and often have my top rusher over twenty (I like DEs a lot). What part are you having trouble accepting ?

05-09-2007, 09:34 AM	#8
Sgran High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest	In his rookie year, Weaver disrupted 117 pass plays.

05-09-2007, 10:06 AM	#9
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	A stud DE i have in my SP career has yearly sacks of: 5.5, 18.5, 21.5, 24.5, 20.5 He's on pace to absolutely blow the career sacks record out of the water

05-09-2007, 10:13 AM	#10
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	My rough impression, anyways, is that in the default league files, there are an awful lot of horrible offensive linemen starting around the league. I wonder what the quality of offensive linemen there are throughout the league even 3 years in. It would be interesting to do a breakdown on who the guys were that he was beating for those 29 sacks. He just could have faced the perfect storm of 21/40 tackles all season, and if he's a stud it wouldn't be unexpected for him to live on top of the QB.

05-09-2007, 01:12 PM	#11
dj_morton H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jan 2007	10 years deep and my highest is 21

05-09-2007, 04:03 PM	#12
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	May I ask what rosters are being used. Default?

05-09-2007, 05:09 PM	#14
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Aren't sack records only kept from 1980 on? So it's not like we have a TON of experience to say that 22 is some kind of unattainable limit. Just my two cents. __________________ Pride and Prejudice -- an FOF9 Lions dynasty, starting 1966

05-09-2007, 06:10 PM	#16
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	Top 10 sacks list from my current 88-year career: 28.0 26.0 25.5 25.5 23.0 23.0 23.0 22.5 22.5 And each of the #1 player's games that season: 3.0 1.0 4.0 1.0 2.0 0.0 3.0 0.5 0.0 1.0 2.0 5.0 2.5 0.0 2.0 1.0 He also tacked on another 3.5 through three playoff games, including one in a Super Bowl loss.

05-10-2007, 12:51 PM	#19
Vinatieri for Prez College Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle	Defensive players have a QBkd stat in their stat line. That is a separate knockdown stat that I understand corresponds to getting pressure on the QB in solevision even though the QB still gets the pass off - and thus is mutually exclusive. That's the way I've been seeing it in game. It is evidence of a guy getting close to the QB but not enough to disrupt the play. However, you are right that it is not included in the pass rush percentage caculation. Last edited by Vinatieri for Prez : 05-10-2007 at 12:54 PM.

05-16-2007, 12:12 PM	#20
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	ARGGH my guy (Kenneth Chance) who had the chance to absolutely shatter and set the career sacks mark so far out of reach retired after his 9th season All the guys below him on the leaderboard played at least 12 seasons, oh what could have been...... here's his totals by season: 5.5, 18.5, 21.5, 24.5, 20.5, 17.0, 18.0, 19.5, 23.5 = 168.5 He never missed a start in his carrer and only had one injury (mild knee injury in yr 7) his whole career too.

05-17-2007, 08:17 PM	#21
scoman n00b Join Date: Aug 2006	Im currently in 1980 of historical sim started in 1960,my single season record so far is 23 by Doug Atkins,Vern Den Herder and L.C. Greenwood have 22 and then Carl Eller with 21.5

05-19-2007, 04:27 AM	#25
Sgran High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest	This could be something that gets a little more attention in the text so that we get a better feel for what is going on and the results. For example, "Strahan flattened Favre after that completion. Favre is getting up slowly." or "Favre is shaking out the cobwebs after that hit." (suggesting the next play should be a run, or maybe a timeout could help, or even a substitution) or a little later it could say, "That was not a good pass. Favre was hearing footsteps after the earlier hit."

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